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Considering they are getting paid to do what we don't, they are fine.

Since we're talking about sub-standard paintjobs, let me present to you...

Yeah... that sucks...

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That's not substandard. That's standard, maybe a notch above standard. Certainly not superawesomewow, but good nonetheless.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:Since we're talking about sub-standard paintjobs, let me present to you...

That image is exponentially better than anything in your gallery.

heartserenade wrote:That's not substandard. That's standard, maybe a notch above standard. Certainly not superawesomewow, but good nonetheless.

No, it's exceptional. It leaves the overwhelming majority of paintjobs for dead.

Kaldor wrote:

BlapBlapBlap wrote:Since we're talking about sub-standard paintjobs, let me present to you...

That image is exponentially better than anything in your gallery.

Thank you so much for your harsh words. Just because I can't paint up to an 'Eavy Metal standard doesn't mean I can't make a judgement.

I just find it a substandard paint because of the face mainly, and probably because I simply hate the model. Plus some of the highlights are too extreme in some places.

Screw it, I can't be bothered to make up for what I said earlier.

How many critics are truly artists though?
Can I say the scar looks somewhat out of place? It's not exceptional either.

Needed to be either darker or more like a scar than a line of blood red. That's pretty much the main flaw I see on it. The real problem is these.


They would have made a better example.

Kaldor wrote:No, it's exceptional. It leaves the overwhelming majority of paintjobs for dead.

Ah, but what would I consider "exceptional" would be at the very least GD standards. I do agree it is loads better than most painted miniatures. I meant standard as in what a good painter should churn out on the average without trying exceptionally hard. It would be sub-standard if it looked like it was painted in a very amateurish way. I mean, even great artists have exceptional artwork and normal artwork.

I do worry about the eyesight of some of you. These "awful" paint jobs are better than 99% of the painters on here by far.

Those dark elder slave girls are just terrible sculpts, not sure anyone could make them look good.

Perhaps, but they could have looked somewhat better. No one was calling them awful, just not OMGSOAWSUM! or really extraordinary. They're above average for sure, not bad though they have moments.

For example.

A good paint job can help a bit. Still has the monkey face, but the shading isn't so sharp and makes the sculpt look a bit better. This is about the extent of how far a paint job can carry a sculpt though.

Another example of an older paint job. Not as fair I know due to the age of 'eavy Metal paint job, but it is more to add to my point of how a paint job can drastically effect a sculpt




There being more crappy works does not automatically make something amazing. It is best however to critic a piece by itself, forget the painter and focus on the art.

That SM on the top of the page is bad?? WTF?
Maybe the choice of colors is not optimal (a little too bright imho) But Hell, the execution is great! (Not GD, but still great)

I actually like that Space Marine 10x more than the Gors, it's not as... chunky.

i have read some posts here and i see not many pople like the gw paintjobs..

let me tell you this: these people don't always paint what they want to paint. and they have deadlines, or a bad day and still, they deliver an aweaspiring stunning superawesome paintjob.. few amongst us can mach the Eavy metal guys.. very few and some of us have very cool and well painted models, but alost everyone can paint one good, stunning model. take your time, do some research and voila.. but the eavy metal painters paint ARMIES..


I would like to see you try piant an army with these standard all over the army..

i tell you, only very few can match eavy metal.

my opinion: learn to paint like eavy etal with your own personla touch.. when you can deliver results just as good as them.. then you can nag about blocky (dfq) paintjobs from pro-painters

Alexi Z is one of the top painters in the world with no deadlines, no GW bosses saying "paint them like this, using these colours". Its frankly silly to compare them.

The Eavy metal team have a specialised and difficult job which on the whole they do well

Most of the time their painting is great. However I remember when the metal raptors appeared I thought the paintjob did the models no favors whatsoever. This created a paradox as I bought the boxset and realised that the models did the painter no favors either...

MrMerlin wrote:That SM on the top of the page is bad?? WTF?
Maybe the choice of colors is not optimal (a little too bright imho) But Hell, the execution is great! (Not GD, but still great)

Some of the highlights are out of place, the scar is quite raw-looking and their isn't much shading on the blue areas of the armour.

Its still a very good paintjob!

Hell guys, just cause its from bad, bad GW doesn't mean it can't be good! Its not perfect, I give you that, but seriously, its ridiculus to look for the tiniest flaws so you can label it bad!

Why exactly are the painters so limited in their color choice? Obviously glaring things like blue orks or neon horses would be off limits but other than that...

And also, why so little time? I thought it would be their full time job to just paint minis for the website/boxes...

Emerett wrote:

racta wrote:Is it just me, or does the OP sound kind of pompous?
The GW paint jobs look great to me. Sure I've seen better mini's when surfing the net, but most of them are works of countless hours. I think hating on GW paint jobs seems like just another attempt at a cheap shot towards GW.

Go troll around CoolMiniOrNot for about 5 minutes and you will see that comparatively Games Workshop paint jobs are not very good. If they cared, they could hire better painters. I'm guessing they're just too lazy and apathetic to keep up with the Joneses.

If you think that Games Workshop is about the best quality paint jobs then you are entirely mistaken.


I would love to see the reaction if GW were to 'hire better painters' and put the box price up by 50p.

Skippy wrote:Alexi Z is one of the top painters in the world with no deadlines, no GW bosses saying "paint them like this, using these colours". Its frankly silly to compare them.

Hence.

Another example of an older paint job. Not as fair I know due to the age of 'eavy Metal paint job, but it is more to add to my point of how a paint job can drastically effect a sculpt

MrMerlin wrote:Its still a very good paintjob!

Hell guys, just cause its from bad, bad GW doesn't mean it can't be good! Its not perfect, I give you that, but seriously, its ridiculus to look for the tiniest flaws so you can label it bad!

I understand that, and to be honest it's not that bad. It's partially a bit of questioning over the amount of pastille-y colours (which is partially what you compained about), a bit of a lack of shading and a deep resentment for the actual squattish, dull sculpt.

Kroothawk wrote:Their techniques are quite good, but their choice of colours and taste is often seriously lacking. Most of the time I dislike their painting schemes. Too bad that they don't allow alternative painting schemes by other painters to be featured in Codices anymore.

yea there really isn't much creativity in there

the eavy metal team has to paint a crazy amount of miniatures and most of them can actually paint gd standards.

also: gw doesnt want golden demon paintjobs on your miniature boxes, gw wants paintjobs that ordinary gamers/painters can achieve.

WallaceGrover wrote:look terrible? After watching a lot of tutorials and videos of painted minis on youtube I can't help but notice that the GW representations of the figures they sell in comparison look painted in such a bad, blocky, visually unpleasing way.
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m890055a_99120216001_BeastmenGorsAdd2_873x627.jpg

The body of the one on the far left and all of their fur just makes me cringe.

If that's terrible then I'm just going to stop painting altogether.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:If that's terrible then I'm just going to stop painting altogether.

This is why this is a really bad thread.

I don't mind criticizing color choices and stuff like that, honestly most of the studio Beastmen do look kinda gakky because of the choice of colors, but as far as the quality of the work itself I don't think there's really anything wrong with it. And snobbish gak like this is just off-putting to people who can only dream of achieving the standard you see on the fething boxes, let alone anything greater.

It's hard enough to find the motivation (or the time) to paint as it is, do you really want to discourage people from even trying? Considering all the bitching and whining I've seen about having to play unpainted armies all the time I think not.

Sidstyler wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:If that's terrible then I'm just going to stop painting altogether.

This is why this is a really bad thread.

I don't mind criticizing color choices and stuff like that, honestly most of the studio Beastmen do look kinda gakky because of the choice of colors, but as far as the quality of the work itself I don't think there's really anything wrong with it. And snobbish gak like this is just off-putting to people who can only dream of achieving the standard you see on the fething boxes, let alone anything greater.

It's hard enough to find the motivation (or the time) to paint as it is, do you really want to discourage people from even trying? Considering all the bitching and whining I've seen about having to play unpainted armies all the time I think not.

I totally second that!
And guys, I'm saying it again, just cause its from GW doesnt meant you have to look for every oh so tiny flaw and call it a crappy paintjob! Jeeez!

This thread is crazy.

Having seen a large number of the Eavy Metal models at Warhammer World in all those glass cabinets I find this thread somewhat bizzar. These models are very well painted and they look a lot better in the flesh. Pretty sure the pictures used for WD and the codex's loses a part of the detail.

I have seen a mear handful of people on here who can exceed the benchmark set by Eavy Meatal, and if I ever get close to Eavy Metal standard I will die a happy man.

I agree with both points, makes no sense for it to suddenly become better or crappier depending on who did it.

I would add that the only problem I see with the pic the OP linked is that the first model has perhaps too much contrast between highlight and shade on the skin. The second two look pretty good.

Also, I never said that 'Eavy Metal did crap painting. I simply am rarely impressed with it after having seen what is really possible. That doesn't mean I don't respect the GW painters or their work. They do damn good work with deadlines and all that.

I think it would be a real treat if GW gave the same single model to each 'Eavy Metal painter and let them go all out on it and then post the results on the main site.

Also, I understand what it is that the GW painters have to do. For their interviews they have to replicate existing works exactly as they were done. That is no small feat. I know that I can't easily replicate others paint jobs as we all develop our skills differently and have different methods to achieve the same end.

I also envy them for getting paid what I assume is a decent livable wage by painting models with no real gaps in pay like commission painters can have.

TBH I think 'Eavy metal do a pretty good job. Their painting seems to be of high standard and consistent across the entire GW range. I do agree that the choice of colours is un-appealing though! Especially Minotaurs, when painted black they look insane.