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LunaHound wrote:A word is just a word, how severe the meaning is based on how much the user want it to be.

Cracker is just as bad as N@gger, the only difference is black people gets so angry and bent out of shape because they can.

Lets be honest here, how many of those that are offended by the N word was actually a slave?

None, then its just a racial slur used to incite hate, in that case cracker served the same purpose.

But white people dont get so angry over it.

Parts that made me go 'wtf?' in bold.

Mr Hyena wrote:Reverse Racism is on the rise.

"reverse" racism implies that racism is a one way street.

It's not.

Racism is racism is racism. Can from anyone of any color.

Piston Honda wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:Reverse Racism is on the rise.

"reverse" racism implies that racism is a one way street.

It's not.

Racism is racism is racism. Can from anyone of any color.

Yep.

Ronin-Sage wrote:

LunaHound wrote:A word is just a word, how severe the meaning is based on how much the user want it to be.

Cracker is just as bad as N@gger, the only difference is black people gets so angry and bent out of shape because they can.

Lets be honest here, how many of those that are offended by the N word was actually a slave?

None, then its just a racial slur used to incite hate, in that case cracker served the same purpose.

But white people dont get so angry over it.

Parts that made me go 'wtf?' in bold.

Both N word and C words were created negatively.
The slavery was done and over long ago. The chinese that immigrated to USA got over it and tried to be constructive with their lives.
Some of the blacks used the guilt ( e.g I would say Johnny is a good example of victim that guilt trip )

People take advantage of others, how long should you bend backwards to correct what the others had done so long ago?

Hence I said, they get angry, they use the race card, because They. Can.

So what is it when a black guy calls you "his n****"?

Edit: And walking past a group of black guys earlier, they were all n---a this and n---a that. Its obviously meaningless when they choose to treat it so.

"Pu*$% A@$ Dorito!"

It's called a Double Standard, Amaya.

LunaHound wrote:

Ronin-Sage wrote:

LunaHound wrote:A word is just a word, how severe the meaning is based on how much the user want it to be.

Cracker is just as bad as N@gger, the only difference is black people gets so angry and bent out of shape because they can.

Lets be honest here, how many of those that are offended by the N word was actually a slave?

None, then its just a racial slur used to incite hate, in that case cracker served the same purpose.

But white people dont get so angry over it.

Parts that made me go 'wtf?' in bold.

Both N word and C words were created negatively.
The slavery was done and over long ago. The chinese that immigrated to USA got over it and tried to be constructive with their lives.
Some of the blacks used the guilt ( e.g I would say Johnny is a good example of victim that guilt trip )

People take advantage of others, how long should you bend backwards to correct what the others had done so long ago?

Hence I said, they get angry, they use the race card, because They. Can.

You seem to be of the impression that most black people 'use the race card' on a regular basis. And what does slavery have to do with...well, anything(in this discussion)?

Amaya wrote:There has been a great deal of mistreatment of minorities by whites, but for the past couple of decades whites have been bending over backwards to correct these tragedies.

You can't correct hundreds of years of tregedies with a couple of decades of affirmative action. Some ignorant white people think that we're bending over backwards to help blacks, but racism is alive and well today, even if not nearly as bad as it used to be.

Amaya wrote:In return, the Black Panthers have gone from a great organization that was simply trying to improve their communities to a militant and racist group.

Are you joking right now, or just sincerely don't know that the Black Panthers were always a militant group? That being said, the New Black Panther party is not the same organization, and are known to be racists. The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies them as a hate group.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:"Pu*$% A@$ Dorito!"

You got a problem with Doritos Man? Don't make me cut you!

There was nothing wrong with the original Black Panthers.

Amaya wrote:There was nothing wrong with the original Black Panthers.

except the shooting/killing part, you're absolutely right.

Amaya wrote:I consider calling a white person 'Nazi' to be on par with the N-word if not worse. The n-word is just deragotary, being called Nazi implies that you're a PoS git.

No one (well, I supposed some random nonsensical idiot might) calls a person a Nazi as a racial slur. They may call you a Nazi if they think you're a fascist and racist.
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Ronin-Sage wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Ronin-Sage wrote:

LunaHound wrote:A word is just a word, how severe the meaning is based on how much the user want it to be.

Cracker is just as bad as N@gger, the only difference is black people gets so angry and bent out of shape because they can.

Lets be honest here, how many of those that are offended by the N word was actually a slave?

None, then its just a racial slur used to incite hate, in that case cracker served the same purpose.

But white people dont get so angry over it.

Parts that made me go 'wtf?' in bold.

Both N word and C words were created negatively.
The slavery was done and over long ago. The chinese that immigrated to USA got over it and tried to be constructive with their lives.
Some of the blacks used the guilt ( e.g I would say Johnny is a good example of victim that guilt trip )

People take advantage of others, how long should you bend backwards to correct what the others had done so long ago?

Hence I said, they get angry, they use the race card, because They. Can.

You seem to be of the impression that most black people 'use the race card' on a regular basis. And what does slavery have to do with...well, anything(in this discussion)?

Im under the impression that ANYONE would use the xxxxx race card when they are able to.
Especially when they use it so easily and liberally. Like the penalty cards in a soccer match lol~
What does slavery have to do with the discussion? Havn't you been reading? part of the easy access to race card is guilt trip.
Guilt trip of past slavery and KKK misdoings.

Is that more clear?

Honkey, whitey, cracker, white boy, all are fun terms.

Frazzled wrote:

Amaya wrote:There was nothing wrong with the original Black Panthers.

except the shooting/killing part, you're absolutely right.

The majority of which was done in reaction to police brutality. Most of what they did was positive and for the good of the community.

Amaya wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Amaya wrote:There was nothing wrong with the original Black Panthers.

except the shooting/killing part, you're absolutely right.

The majority of which was done in reaction to police brutality. Most of what they did was positive and for the good of the community.

And this guy made the trains run on time.

Okay, they did some bad things at times, but they were not nearly as bad the new Black Panther group.

Don't forget that capital "N" in "New". It's a proper name, and a different group. A hate group.

LunaHound wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:

But white people dont get so angry over it.

Yup. It's easy to let this stuff roll of you when you're the dominant culture/identity.

When is the last time you see asian people getting so worked up been called a racial word equivalent?

My point stands, and its clear. If people can be civilized over even a racial slur, then the word itself holds no dominion over the people.

Respectfully, I think you lack perspective on this one. You're on the younger side and you're not American. Not that Canada has no racism, but your comments in this thread indicate a total lack of understanding of the history of slavery and the black experience in America.

And I have seen Asians get upset over racism too, BTW.

LunaHound wrote:Remember when USA built the transcontinental rail road? the chinese you guys had are treated pretty much like slaves,
and the racial slurs were used commonly. And you see how the chiinese dealt with it, gritted their teeth and continue to work hard?
First generation they worked like mules for their siblings. 2nd generation continued to work hard to further insure a better future.
3rd generation worked hard to be a contributing part of the society.

Do you see them use race card? ( sure some must have ) but generally they are very productive and less hateful compared to black people.

Do you feel qualified to judge the comparative experiences of Chinese and African Americans in the US? You don't think the folks who worked the railroads hated anyone? Or that their descendents didn't resent exploitation by whites and hold grudges? You really don't know what you're talking about.

LunaHound wrote:

Im under the impression that ANYONE would use the xxxxx race card when they are able to.
Especially when they use it so easily and liberally. Like the penalty cards in a soccer match lol~
What does slavery have to do with the discussion? Havn't you been reading? part of the easy access to race card is guilt trip.
Guilt trip of past slavery and KKK misdoings.

Is that more clear?

My point is that the language you used was very 'us' and 'them' -oriented('they'). That's all fascinating, but I think you're missing the point if believe the 'race card' is as widely used as you think it is, and that oppression of blacks in the United States can be summarized by 'slavery and the KKK' alone.

Mannahnin wrote:Respectfully, I think you lack perspective on this one. You're on the younger side and you're not American. Not that Canada has no racism, but your comments in this thread indicate a total lack of understanding of the history of slavery and the black experience in America.

And I have seen Asians get upset over racism too, BTW.

Do you feel qualified to judge the comparative experiences of Chinese and African Americans in the US? You don't think the folks who worked the railroads hated anyone? Or that their descendents didn't resent exploitation by whites and hold grudges? You really don't know what you're talking about.

I respect and agree with your response. And never have I stated asians arnt capable of spamming race card ( i mentioned im sure some do )
Its true Im young and I never seen the USA slavery racism issue first hand or know anyone, yet.

I have one question due to logic.

Why is it we dont see asian causing trouble on the media, not in the same scale as black,
and not with that much with racism as excuse?

LunaHound wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Respectfully, I think you lack perspective on this one. You're on the younger side and you're not American. Not that Canada has no racism, but your comments in this thread indicate a total lack of understanding of the history of slavery and the black experience in America.

And I have seen Asians get upset over racism too, BTW.

Do you feel qualified to judge the comparative experiences of Chinese and African Americans in the US? You don't think the folks who worked the railroads hated anyone? Or that their descendents didn't resent exploitation by whites and hold grudges? You really don't know what you're talking about.

I respect and agree with your response. And never have I stated asians arnt capable of spamming race card ( i mentioned im sure some do )
Its true Im young and I never seen the USA slavery racism issue first hand or know anyone, yet.

I have one question due to logic.

Why is it we dont see asian causing trouble on the media, not in the same scale as black,
and not with that much with racism as excuse?

Obviously, the answer is because we like to use excuses about racism, right?

There is no Asian Al Sharpton equivalent.

Luna does have a point. Racism against Asians is tolerated to the point where it is almost acceptable to do so and yet you see minimal outcry from them despite the poor treatment they receive.

Another thing is, a lot of stereotypes about Blacks are arguably positive in some way. Such as them being great athletes and having increased size below the waistline. Our culture places a greater emphasis on athleticism and sex than it does on intelligence. In some ways, black males are glorified for their supposed masculanity (sp?).

Luna I think we should feel responsible for the actions of others against a minority group. They are not first hand recipiants of this hate but it has festered over the years and still grows. In my town I see SS tattoos and Klan tattoos on a weekly basis. It is disgusting and because of things like that, that still live in small and large towns in America is the reason that we should shut up and take the term "Cracker" like the angsty white men that we are.

LunaHound wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Respectfully, I think you lack perspective on this one. You're on the younger side and you're not American. Not that Canada has no racism, but your comments in this thread indicate a total lack of understanding of the history of slavery and the black experience in America.

And I have seen Asians get upset over racism too, BTW.

Do you feel qualified to judge the comparative experiences of Chinese and African Americans in the US? You don't think the folks who worked the railroads hated anyone? Or that their descendents didn't resent exploitation by whites and hold grudges? You really don't know what you're talking about.

I respect and agree with your response. And never have I stated asians arnt capable of spamming race card ( i mentioned im sure some do )
Its true Im young and I never seen the USA slavery racism issue first hand or know anyone, yet.

I have one question due to logic.

Why is it we dont see asian causing trouble on the media, not in the same scale as black,
and not with that much with racism as excuse?

To busy having dance offs?




On the flip side, some of the geeks my boy hangs with:

Ronin-Sage wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Respectfully, I think you lack perspective on this one. You're on the younger side and you're not American. Not that Canada has no racism, but your comments in this thread indicate a total lack of understanding of the history of slavery and the black experience in America.

And I have seen Asians get upset over racism too, BTW.

Do you feel qualified to judge the comparative experiences of Chinese and African Americans in the US? You don't think the folks who worked the railroads hated anyone? Or that their descendents didn't resent exploitation by whites and hold grudges? You really don't know what you're talking about.

I respect and agree with your response. And never have I stated asians arnt capable of spamming race card ( i mentioned im sure some do )
Its true Im young and I never seen the USA slavery racism issue first hand or know anyone, yet.

I have one question due to logic.

Why is it we dont see asian causing trouble on the media, not in the same scale as black,
and not with that much with racism as excuse?

Obviously, the answer is because we like to use excuses about racism, right?

I'll tell you what I do know first hand.

There ARE black people in Vancouver, out of around 50 I have seen, only 1 behaved like a proper citizen.
the rest are drug dealers and pimps that are given free immigration status by the oh so stupid naive government.

With the new chance to start a new life you would think the immigrants would do it right, especially with how generous our social service are.

Yet, they gave into the temptation, of drugs, crime, human trafficking, the "glory" Hollywood portrays.

I guess my frustration stems from, people taking advantage of others. Because they can. And it both disgusts me and saddens me at the same time.


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Johnny-Crass wrote:Luna I think we should feel responsible for the actions of others against a minority group. They are not first hand recipiants of this hate but it has festered over the years and still grows. In my town I see SS tattoos and Klan tattoos on a weekly basis. It is disgusting and because of things like that, that still live in small and large towns in America is the reason that we should shut up and take the term "Cracker" like the angsty white men that we are.

I know you and others will laugh at me for saying this, but I'll say it anyways.

The intolerance always exists, just in different forms. The thread in DCM area about trying to get rid of My little Pony threads , for me is as intolerant and disgusting as
the SS and KKK issues are.

Luna, thanks for taking my comments in a constructive light. I know if you were seeking to offended you could have used them as an excuse, and I really appreciate your not doing so.

LunaHound wrote:Why is it we dont see asian causing trouble on the media, not in the same scale as black,
and not with that much with racism as excuse?

Well, aside from California/the West Coast specifically, Asians don't have nearly as much history of oppression and degradation here. The treatment of railroad workers and others in the West was HORRIBLE, but much more localized and a shorter period in time. Some more recent incidents like the internment camps during WWII have also been bad, but it's still nothing like the scale of literally hundreds of years of slavery, dehumanization, forced breeding and breaking up of families, torture, murder, and rape.

Black people in the slaveholding states have had to struggle to build a human life and existence from about as low and degraded and abused a state as any human beings have ever been in. Possibly the lowest and worst, as industrial slavery (as Manchu pointed out in the other thread) was a monstrous thing on a scale beyond the kind of localized slaveries of the ancient world. Up until as recently as the 60s and 70s black people were still being murdered with some regularity by racist terrorists like the KKK for "crimes" as slight as talking to a white girl, or trying to act like equal members of their communities.

The fact that you can make any comparison between intolerance of people's hobbies and the kind of monstrous evil of the KKK and the Nazis is a vivid illustration that this is basically an intellectual exercise for you, and aren't making a real connection yet with what we're talking about.

Amaya wrote:Luna does have a point. Racism against Asians is tolerated to the point where it is almost acceptable to do so and yet you see minimal outcry from them despite the poor treatment they receive.

Another thing is, a lot of stereotypes about Blacks are arguably positive in some way. Such as them being great athletes and having increased size below the waistline. Our culture places a greater emphasis on athleticism and sex than it does on intelligence. In some ways, black males are glorified for their supposed masculanity (sp?).

Stereotypes are always negative in that they endorse ignorance.

...not to say I'm adamantly opposed to people assuming I put a lot of points into DEX and have a [insert euphemism for penis] so long it needs a bipod attachment.

LunaHound wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Respectfully, I think you lack perspective on this one. You're on the younger side and you're not American. Not that Canada has no racism, but your comments in this thread indicate a total lack of understanding of the history of slavery and the black experience in America.

And I have seen Asians get upset over racism too, BTW.

Do you feel qualified to judge the comparative experiences of Chinese and African Americans in the US? You don't think the folks who worked the railroads hated anyone? Or that their descendents didn't resent exploitation by whites and hold grudges? You really don't know what you're talking about.

I respect and agree with your response. And never have I stated asians arnt capable of spamming race card ( i mentioned im sure some do )
Its true Im young and I never seen the USA slavery racism issue first hand or know anyone, yet.

I have one question due to logic.

Why is it we dont see asian causing trouble on the media, not in the same scale as black,
and not with that much with racism as excuse?

Actually Luna in my experience I have found that Asians keep there opinions behind close doors. I grew up in Vancouver and the area I lived in had a lot of asians in it. I had quite a few Asian friends while I was growing up and the one word I kept hearing was "Guilo". Never knew what it ment until I was quite older.

I agree with the part about ignorance.

I had a black classmate in 8th grade, only one in our class (small private school), everyone assumed he would be great at basketball and save our team. Nope, he was terrible. But he was pretty smart and for his age a really good artist. It must suck to be a 'normal' black guy and have everyone assume that you're a great athlete...especially if you don't even like sports.