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LunaHound wrote:[

I'll tell you what I do know first hand.

There ARE black people in Vancouver, out of around 50 I have seen, only 1 behaved like a proper citizen.
the rest are drug dealers and pimps that are given free immigration status by the oh so stupid naive government.

With the new chance to start a new life you would think the immigrants would do it right, especially with how generous our social service are.

Yet, they gave into the temptation, of drugs, crime, human trafficking, the "glory" Hollywood portrays.

I guess my frustration stems from, people taking advantage of others. Because they can. And it both disgusts me and saddens me at the same time.

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Yes, because people always appreciate things that are just given to them by the government.

wait...

Mannahnin wrote:Luna, thanks for taking my comments in a constructive light. I know if you were seeking to offended you could have used them as an excuse, and I really appreciate your not doing so.

LunaHound wrote:Why is it we dont see asian causing trouble on the media, not in the same scale as black,
and not with that much with racism as excuse?

Well, aside from California/the West Coast specifically, Asians don't have nearly as much history of oppression and degradation here. The treatment of railroad workers and others in the West was HORRIBLE, but much more localized and a shorter period in time. Some more recent incidents like the internment camps during WWII have also been bad, but it's still nothing like the scale of literally hundreds of years of slavery, dehumanization, forced breeding and breaking up of families, torture, murder, and rape.

Black people in the slaveholding states have had to struggle to build a human life and existence from about as low and degraded and abused a state as any human beings have ever been in. Possibly the lowest and worst, as industrial slavery (as Manchu pointed out in the other thread) was a monstrous thing on a scale beyond the kind of localized slaveries of the ancient world. Up until as recently as the 60s and 70s black people were still being murdered with some regularity by racist terrorists like the KKK for "crimes" as slight as talking to a white girl, or trying to act like equal members of their communities.

The fact that you can make any comparison between intolerance of people's hobbies and the kind of monstrous evil of the KKK and the Nazis is a vivid illustration that this is basically an intellectual exercise for you, and aren't making a real connection yet with what we're talking about.

Even though I do feel sympathy for the horrendous acts, how long does white people have to bend over because of the past?
Im speaking out of concern as a bystander that is not even white.




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FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Respectfully, I think you lack perspective on this one. You're on the younger side and you're not American. Not that Canada has no racism, but your comments in this thread indicate a total lack of understanding of the history of slavery and the black experience in America.

And I have seen Asians get upset over racism too, BTW.

Do you feel qualified to judge the comparative experiences of Chinese and African Americans in the US? You don't think the folks who worked the railroads hated anyone? Or that their descendents didn't resent exploitation by whites and hold grudges? You really don't know what you're talking about.

I respect and agree with your response. And never have I stated asians arnt capable of spamming race card ( i mentioned im sure some do )
Its true Im young and I never seen the USA slavery racism issue first hand or know anyone, yet.

I have one question due to logic.

Why is it we dont see asian causing trouble on the media, not in the same scale as black,
and not with that much with racism as excuse?

Actually Luna in my experience I have found that Asians keep there opinions behind close doors. I grew up in Vancouver and the area I lived in had a lot of asians in it. I had quite a few Asian friends while I was growing up and the one word I kept hearing was "Guilo". Never knew what it ment until I was quite older.

What does Guilo mean?

In my language it means " outsider" aka people not from same country.
In my other language it means Good o white guy, its a compliment, because we Taiwanese likes N.Americans

Neither have any negativity, infact most of our language doesnt have any bad words even slangs.

What we do have is bad phrases, in other words asians dont talk, we speak with our actions.

From what was explained to me it basically 'Lazy white boy' , 'Useless white person', etc etc etc. I am shure different family's used it in different ways. It's just a experience I went through when I started loosing a lot of my childhood asian friends and being called "guilo".


It might be like the way black people use the N word with the "A" on the end instead of 'er' -shrugs- I dunno I am not a shrink just a real life spam bot =o\

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
From what was explained to me it basically 'Lazy white boy' , 'Useless white person', etc etc etc. I am shure different family's used it in different ways. It's just a experience I went through when I started loosing a lot of my childhood asian friends and being called "guilo".


It might be like the way black people use the N word with the "A" on the end instead of 'er' -shrugs- I dunno I am not a shrink just a real life spam bot =o\

I understand where that "version" is comming from, but its not to do with the word itself, but the perspective from different type of asians ( I say asian because I dont like to group HK and TW together with chinese )

Asians takes pride in our productivity and efforts. So some people do see outisders ( none asians, including white people ) as lazy,
doing the mininum ( wait.... Homer Simpson basically ).

There you go, thinking about it, even American Cartoon agrees :'P
( remember the episode, that Japanese guy had a heart attack from working with Homer? )

ooops going off topic!

LunaHound wrote:

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
From what was explained to me it basically 'Lazy white boy' , 'Useless white person', etc etc etc. I am shure different family's used it in different ways. It's just a experience I went through when I started loosing a lot of my childhood asian friends and being called "guilo".


It might be like the way black people use the N word with the "A" on the end instead of 'er' -shrugs- I dunno I am not a shrink just a real life spam bot =o\

I understand where that "version" is comming from, but its not to do with the word itself, but the perspective from different type of asians ( I say asian because I dont like to group HK and TW together with chinese )

Asians takes pride in our productivity and efforts. So some people do see outisders ( none asians, including white people ) as lazy,
doing the mininum ( wait.... Homer Simpson basically ).

There you go, thinking about it, even American Cartoon agrees :'P
( remember the episode, that Japanese guy had a heart attack from working with Homer? )

ooops going off topic!

but thats ok right?

Frazzled wrote:but thats ok right?

I don't know

LunaHound wrote:

Frazzled wrote:but thats ok right?

I don't know

And thats how it starts

Frazzled wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Frazzled wrote:but thats ok right?

I don't know

And thats how it starts

You mean the lazy part?

LunaHound wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Frazzled wrote:but thats ok right?

I don't know

And thats how it starts

You mean the lazy part?

Don't be daft woman.

I dont understand the question :'P

Mannahnin wrote:

But white people dont get so angry over it.

Yup. It's easy to let this stuff roll of you when you're the dominant culture/identity.

Exactly. Non-white people have been trying for a long time to find a racial slur to use against white people that is as offensive to us as all of the words white racists use to describe them, and it seems that so far they haven't. I personally don't find cracker to be offensive. Of course, it's generally almost impossible to offend me.

This is the only possible exception I've found. NSFW somewhat for content. (It's an episode of South Park.)

Black people can easily make up a word to make white people angry.

It involves penis size

LunaHound wrote:Black people can easily make up a word to make white people angry.

It involves penis size

Too bad there are more normal black people than those that are hung like a horse in porn.

Taking whitey's women seems more the way to go

SaintTom wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Black people can easily make up a word to make white people angry.

It involves penis size

Too bad there are more normal black people than those that are hung like a horse in porn.

Taking whitey's women seems more the way to go

So like... NTR mixed with penis size?

Sounds cruel >.< yes there will be rage

LunaHound wrote:

SaintTom wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Black people can easily make up a word to make white people angry.

It involves penis size

Too bad there are more normal black people than those that are hung like a horse in porn.

Taking whitey's women seems more the way to go

So like... NTR mixed with penis size?

Sounds cruel >.< yes there will be rage

Yess.. Yess.. The perfect strategy..

One of my friends who's a cop in the state capitol was telling me his view on the story and from what he understands Trayvon was shot for acting stupid.

It was dark, the guy already suspected that Trayvon was up to no good, Trayvon had on a hoodie which is common for a lot of people but usually associated with no good at night, and more importantly Trayvon reached into the waist of his pants to grab something.

Now we know that he supposedly grabbed a cell phone, but you'd be surprised as to what looks like what at night. You'd also be surprised as to what happens to you when you quickly reach for something tucked into the waist of your pants.

sourclams wrote:http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1939/020/Was_Trayvon_Martin_a_Drug_Dealer.html

I found this link in the comments off of the OP. Now I'm really curious if the case is as generally cut and dry as the media is making it out to be, especially with regards to the image of Trayvon currently being put forth.

Wore a hoodie? Had multiple tattoos? Had a friend on facebook who threw up a gang sign in a picture? Smoked weed in high school?

I hope no one shoots me to death on the way to work tonight, because I think we've successfully established they'd be well within their rights to do so, free of consequences.

Quick I'll pay top dollars for photo of Michelle Obama ( i meant her daughter ) smoking weed, and perhaps we can find out whether she have friends that are gangsta in facebook :'D

halonachos wrote:One of my friends who's a cop in the state capitol was telling me his view on the story and from what he understands Trayvon was shot for acting stupid.

It was dark, the guy already suspected that Trayvon was up to no good, Trayvon had on a hoodie which is common for a lot of people but usually associated with no good at night, and more importantly Trayvon reached into the waist of his pants to grab something.

He was practically asking to be assaulted and shot by the neighborhood watch 'captain'. In fact it would have been rude not to. I mean, walking home? Wearing clothes? He was practically begging for it.

halonachos wrote:Now we know that he supposedly grabbed a cell phone, but you'd be surprised as to what looks like what at night. You'd also be surprised as to what happens to you when you quickly reach for something tucked into the waist of your pants.

He was talking to someone on the phone at the time. How often do people walk around talking into gun?

sourclams wrote:http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1939/020/Was_Trayvon_Martin_a_Drug_Dealer.html

I found this link in the comments off of the OP. Now I'm really curious if the case is as generally cut and dry as the media is making it out to be, especially with regards to the image of Trayvon currently being put forth.

Jesus dude. I mean just fething hell.

The kid was shot because he was a black kid in an unfamiliar neighbourhood. Pointing out an article that says 'oh but look he had a gold tooth and a tatoo so maybe it was much more reasonable' is really, really fethed up.

We know he wasn't selling drugs on the street that night. We know he wasn't doing anything that looked even slightly like selling drugs. He was walking through an unfamiliar neighbourhood while black, and that was enough for a guy to suspect him of being a criminal, which ended up in him getting shot.

And that's really fethed up, and it's really sad that you can't get that.


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Amaya wrote:Whites may be the dominant ethnicity, but the 'ghetto' culture is certainly on the rise and certainly reached suburbia.

Having a sub-culture doesn't mean having any measure of political power. Typically sub-cultures are used to differentiate one's self from the mainstream, because that group is denied power within the mainstream.

Amaya wrote:I'm pretty sure he's disagreeing with you and I can understand why.

There has been a great deal of mistreatment of minorities by whites, but for the past couple of decades whites have been bending over backwards to correct these tragedies.

Except, of course, that the above is wrong.

Black people earn about 2/3 less than white people, per capita. Fix that, everything else will go away, more or less. Continue to have that problem, and any claim to 'bending over backwards' remains bs.

Witnesses said he was bashing Zimmerman's head on the concrete and broke his nose. They also stated that it was Zimmerman calling for help on the 911 calls.

But don't let that get in the way of having a good old fashioned riot.

Piston Honda wrote:"reverse" racism implies that racism is a one way street.

It's not.

Racism is racism is racism. Can from anyone of any color.

It's complicated by the existance of two different things called racism. There's the common understanding, that when you dislike someone because they're a different race than your own that's racist. Cool, simple, intuitive, everyone gets it, otherwise known as xenophobia.

But there's also the study of systems, and how those systems work to favour some races over others. It's the idea of looking at wealth around the world, looking at the massively disproportionate wealth held by white people, and figuring out how that perpetuates from generation to generation. Part of that is noticing that systems today, even without deliberately racist acts from individuals, have a racist impact on society as a whole.

It's that second kind of racism in which the term 'reverse racism' has it's meaning, and that meaning is that 'Racist systems have an effect of accruing more power with white people, and less power with people of other ethnic groups. Reverse racism is systems geared to work in opposition to those racist systems.'


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Frazzled wrote:Yep.

Nope. And you've been around long enough to have read my explanation of this at least three or four times. You don't get to just pretend there isn't more to it, you don't get to just choose to be ignorant.


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Amaya wrote:So what is it when a black guy calls you "his n****"?

Trivial bs, that gets hyperfocused on by white people so they can pretend they get the raw deal of a situation that otherwise benefits them immensely.

"Oh woe is me, here I am part of an ethnic group that gets paid $40,000 on average, compared to black people who get paid $32,000 on average, but get to use a word I can't use. It's just not fair."

I mean fething hell, take the money and stop whinging.

How does someone weight 100lbs lighter , unarmed, is bashing the bigger guy on the concrete?

LunaHound wrote:How does someone weight 100lbs lighter , unarmed, is bashing the bigger guy on the concrete?

Looks like Self Defense to me.

IF Trayvon had shot Z becuase he was some stranger that assaulted him and he felt his life was in danger, people would be praising him and call a hero, especially the NRA. Instead he was unarmed and fought back so apparently he deserved to be shot.

This is of course you buy into the rumors that he was beating Z's ass for assaulting him in the first place, and that the calls for help were indeed Z and not Trayvon. I have only seen people on the internet making the claim, no official source.

Ahtman wrote:This is of course you buy into the rumors that he was beating Z's ass for assaulting him in the first place, and that the calls for help were indeed Z and not Trayvon. I have only seen people on the internet making the claim, no official source.

Thats what I was thinking, and they cant provide any recording as evidence to who was calling for help?

Ahtman wrote:IF Trayvon had shot Z becuase he was some stranger that assaulted him and he felt his life was in danger, people would be praising him and call a hero, especially the NRA. Instead he was unarmed and fought back so apparently he deserved to be shot.

This is of course you buy into the rumors that he was beating Z's ass for assaulting him in the first place, and that the calls for help were indeed Z and not Trayvon. I have only seen people on the internet making the claim, no official source.

Personally, I'd find it weird for the NRA to praise a black guy for that kinda thing. It just doesn't seem in character to me.

LunaHound wrote:

Ahtman wrote:This is of course you buy into the rumors that he was beating Z's ass for assaulting him in the first place, and that the calls for help were indeed Z and not Trayvon. I have only seen people on the internet making the claim, no official source.

Thats what I was thinking, and they cant provide any recording as evidence to who was calling for help?

I found some articles saying it now, but it still seems weak. Z claims it, and the people on the 911 don't see anything. Let's assume he was beating his ass in self defense. You know what would have avoided getting your ass beat? Not chasing after a person and accosting them, especially after being told by the police that you shouldn't do that. If he was as battered as he claims it seems odd to wait till the next day to go to the hospital instead of that night. If you have a broken nose and had your had smacked against the sidewalk you wouldn't wait that long, you would need to go asap.

I'm telling you if some random stranger comes up on me and starts putting their hands on me I'm not going to wait around and hope he means well but is stupid, I'm going to defend myself.

Ahtman wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Ahtman wrote:This is of course you buy into the rumors that he was beating Z's ass for assaulting him in the first place, and that the calls for help were indeed Z and not Trayvon. I have only seen people on the internet making the claim, no official source.

Thats what I was thinking, and they cant provide any recording as evidence to who was calling for help?

I found some articles saying it now, but it still seems weak. Z claims it, and the people on the 911 don't see anything. Let's assume he was beating his ass in self defense. You know what would have avoided getting your ass beat? Not chasing after a person and accosting them, especially after being told by the police that you shouldn't do that.

I'm telling you if some random stranger comes up on me and starts putting their hands on me I'm not going to wait around and hope he means well but is stupid, I'm going to defend myself.

Maybe its just me, but Zimmerman seems awfully "enthusiastic" going after Trygon
Logic dictates I agree with you xD

SlaveToDorkness wrote:Witnesses said he was bashing Zimmerman's head on the concrete and broke his nose. They also stated that it was Zimmerman calling for help on the 911 calls.

But don't let that get in the way of having a good old fashioned riot.

The fact he started a fight, then realized he bit off more then he could chew and shot the other party does not a justified shooting make, not in my book.

Also, asking for an arrest and an investigation is not the same as "having a good old fashion riot". It's not unreasonable to expect that someone involved in a shooting be tested for drugs and alcohol regardless of the details.