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Not to "defend" any sort of "racist insults", but I think that after centuries of slavery, Jim Crowe, fire hoses and police dogs coupled with swinging night sticks, discrimination, profiling, lynchings and overall poor treatment, being called a "cracker" is getting off pretty easily.

Kilkrazy wrote:The only other thing to mention is that we have fulfilled the "BLAME THE VICTIM" meme.

Onward, to Nazi Atlantis!

Manchu wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:The only other thing to mention is that we have fulfilled the "BLAME THE VICTIM" meme.

Onward, to Nazi Atlantis!

Where Patrick Duffy goose steps in tiny white pants?

NELS1031 wrote:
Also, is anyone actually offended by the term cracker?

I'm obviously missing something but could someone explain to me how Cracker is offensive? I'm guessing it's some form of American slang?

To me it's
a) someone who hacks software to remove security
b) a foodstuff commonly eaten with cheese
c) a twisted paper item containing a thing which goes bang, a small paper hat, an amusing toy and an unamusing joke.

I've always assumed it to mean some one who is basically dull/ bland and pasty, but it could (perhaps) be a referance to a whip, as in one who "cracks" a whip.

FITZZ wrote: Not to "defend" any sort of "racist insults", but I think that after centuries of slavery, Jim Crowe, fire hoses and police dogs coupled with swinging night sticks, discrimination, profiling, lynchings and overall poor treatment, being called a "cracker" is getting off pretty easily.

Why? I didn't have a part of any of that, at all.

Frazzled wrote:

FITZZ wrote: Not to "defend" any sort of "racist insults", but I think that after centuries of slavery, Jim Crowe, fire hoses and police dogs coupled with swinging night sticks, discrimination, profiling, lynchings and overall poor treatment, being called a "cracker" is getting off pretty easily.

Why? I didn't have a part of any of that, at all.

You're also very easily offended, if your posting history is indicative of your personality.

I've been called a cracker before, when I was in college. My response was to go back to back to my dormitory on the campus of an expensive private school, go out to a club, order bottle service, and ultimately have sex with my girlfriend who was on birth control.

Its amazing how the finer things in life make insults melt away.

CptJake wrote:Ask a cop who patrols a bad inner city area how certain clothing and or even a certain race can be an indicator.

For example, in an area my brother patrols, 2-3 white kids in nicer clothes at night will generally be pulled over. They fit the profile for 'trying to buy dope'.

Any wealthy kid who buys drugs in the inner city is an idiot. Not only because you're likely to be caught, but because the dealer himself will screw you over hard.

College campuses are where you go for your merchandise. The ratio, by and large, is about one campus dealer per 100 kids, and generally they are smart enough, or sufficiently willing to take the requisite risks, to avoid being caught by cops and deal with dealers.

Thats awesome you could do that, although its hardly relevant. I was the first to graduate high school much less college (Dad was right behind me, weird but cool old fart). I didn't have those advantages or those things.

I also didn't go around calling people names because of their skin tone. I called people names because they were donkey-caves.

Frazzled wrote:

FITZZ wrote: Not to "defend" any sort of "racist insults", but I think that after centuries of slavery, Jim Crowe, fire hoses and police dogs coupled with swinging night sticks, discrimination, profiling, lynchings and overall poor treatment, being called a "cracker" is getting off pretty easily.

Why? I didn't have a part of any of that, at all.

Of course "you" didn't frazz, but...I don't think anyone can deny that in a great many ways and for a great many years white America has been less than nice to it's African American population, and so a bit of animosity (while perhaps not particularly "productive") is absolutelly understandable...or rather I should say that I understand it.

FITZZ wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

FITZZ wrote: Not to "defend" any sort of "racist insults", but I think that after centuries of slavery, Jim Crowe, fire hoses and police dogs coupled with swinging night sticks, discrimination, profiling, lynchings and overall poor treatment, being called a "cracker" is getting off pretty easily.

Why? I didn't have a part of any of that, at all.

Of course "you" didn't frazz, but...I don't think anyone can deny that in a great many ways and for a great many years white America has been less than nice to it's African American population, and so a bit of animosity (while perhaps not particularly "productive") is absolutelly understandable...or rather I should say that I understand it.

And when I was in LA, vice versa. Does that give me the right to go around calling people names and blasting them from a car? Help me, I've been oppressed!

Frazzled wrote:Thats awesome you could do that, although its hardly relevant. I was the first to graduate high school much less college (Dad was right behind me, weird but cool old fart). I didn't have those advantages or those things.

I also didn't go around calling people names because of their skin tone. I called people names because they were donkey-caves.

The point is that when you don't face racial stigma in the vast majority of the country, there's little to complain about.

Perspective is your friend here. I always tell my black, or Middle Eastern these days, friends who complain about racism a little to much the story of a guy I knew in college (name redacted).

He was short, fat, black, gay, and the son of adoptive Jewish parents who lived in Arkansas. That dude had it rough. He was Harold & Kumar come to life.

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Thats awesome you could do that, although its hardly relevant. I was the first to graduate high school much less college (Dad was right behind me, weird but cool old fart). I didn't have those advantages or those things.

I also didn't go around calling people names because of their skin tone. I called people names because they were donkey-caves.

The point is that when you don't face racial stigma in the vast majority of the country, there's little to complain about.

Perspective is your friend here. I always tell my black, or Middle Eastern these days, friends who complain about racism a little to much the story of a guy I knew in college (name redacted).

He was short, fat, black, gay, and the son of adoptive Jewish parents who lived in Arkansas. That dude had it rough. He was Harold & Kumar come to life.

That is bad. Arkansas is beautiful, but its like the South's version of New Mexico.

Frazzled wrote:
That is bad. Arkansas is beautiful, but its like the South's version of New Mexico.

You know its bad when people from Missouri call them hicks.

A Town Called Malus wrote:

NELS1031 wrote:
Also, is anyone actually offended by the term cracker?

I'm obviously missing something but could someone explain to me how Cracker is offensive? I'm guessing it's some form of American slang?

Cracker is a remark in relation to being slave owners (or ranchers if you happen to be a Floridian, but that detail goes unnoticed most of the time). Kinda like calling you immoral and telling you that you should feel bad for something that was done well before you were born.

FITZZ wrote: Not to "defend" any sort of "racist insults", but I think that after centuries of slavery, Jim Crowe, fire hoses and police dogs coupled with swinging night sticks, discrimination, profiling, lynchings and overall poor treatment, being called a "cracker" is getting off pretty easily.

None of which is my fault. It also wouldn't have happened had the African empires kept pace with their Arab and European counterparts.

Luco wrote:None of which is my fault.

And you aren't personally being blamed either, except by outliers like the New Black Panthers I suppose, but it is naive to act as if just not being slaves suddenly fixed, both institutionally and socially, all issues regarding race. We may not have been slave owners in this time but we still live with its legacy. Pretending that issues aren't there doesn't make them go away.

SaintTom wrote:Honestly, I don't even know why I'm surprised at this kind of thing happening. Sure statistics show blah blah blah, but most of the people put into jail are for drug offenses. Having lil traces of weed or crack or something.

Which means they got off lucky that they'd already smoked it. Nobody buys empty bags with drug residue in them. It doesn't meant they're less criminal it means they didn't get caught.

And oh wow, gang members kill each other! It's such a shock! Never mind the fact that there are plenty of hispanic gangs doing the same crap and worse in mexico and over the border. I've got an idea, maybe if we actually worked to give people opportunities and safety then maybe they wouldn't feel like they need to turn to a gang.

You mean like sending them to school and letting them live in a gated community?

If it really does matter how you look then maybe at least the white and beautiful people will be safe. I mean its always how someone looks that defines if they're gonna commit crimes or are up to no good right?

I've seen Cops. Yes.

One last thing, which I would really want people to think about. If you can say that race is not an issue in society or the law, then would you choose to be a different race? If so, then why?

Hm, well I don't say that so I guess I get a pass on this one.

Does the American society consider African American males more threatening than other males and if so, why?

Alraz_ka wrote:Does the American society consider African American males more threatening than other males and if so, why?

According to statistics the FBI collects African Americans, not just males but in general, have arrest rates for crimes at a rate that is double what as their population would suggest. Ie: 12.6% of the society (That is, African-Americans) commit 24% of all crimes (up to 40% of all murders, 50% of all burglaries, and 31% of all prostitution crimes). They also have a rather impressive percent when it comes to being a new host for an std, sitting at 70%.

Sources: FBI, CDC, Census Bureau

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

SaintTom wrote:Honestly, I don't even know why I'm surprised at this kind of thing happening. Sure statistics show blah blah blah, but most of the people put into jail are for drug offenses. Having lil traces of weed or crack or something.

Which means they got off lucky that they'd already smoked it. Nobody buys empty bags with drug residue in them. It doesn't meant they're less criminal it means they didn't get caught.

That is true, though I suppose I should of worded it better in that alot of times they could of avoided going to jail over it if, basically, they weren't poor or a minority. Plus it isn't like they actually get any help for their addiction in prison. It's more likely they'll come out even more messed up than before

And oh wow, gang members kill each other! It's such a shock! Never mind the fact that there are plenty of hispanic gangs doing the same crap and worse in mexico and over the border. I've got an idea, maybe if we actually worked to give people opportunities and safety then maybe they wouldn't feel like they need to turn to a gang.

You mean like sending them to school and letting them live in a gated community?

School yes, but specifically, much better schools than what they have in most urban areas. Most of the time the school system being good or not directly depends on the wealth of the community they are at. And thinking upwards.. Nice

If it really does matter how you look then maybe at least the white and beautiful people will be safe. I mean its always how someone looks that defines if they're gonna commit crimes or are up to no good right?

I've seen Cops. Yes.

lol I wasn't even thinking of COPS but you certainly got a laugh outta me.

One last thing, which I would really want people to think about. If you can say that race is not an issue in society or the law, then would you choose to be a different race? If so, then why?

Hm, well I don't say that so I guess I get a pass on this one.

Yes, you get the Internet cookie.

Blue is mine, apologies if you find it hard to look at. Didn't see too many appealing choices on colors.

sourclams wrote:If he was tall and black and walking along a street at night in Dockers khakhis and a tucked in business casual shirt looking like a clean cut Jehova's Witness, that probably would probably cause much less of a problem.

And if he was wearing a hoodie and had white skin, that would cause much less of a problem.


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sourclams wrote:Just for clarification, the point I'm making is that race/skin color is only one input and probably a relatively minor one in in this specific case of heuristic thinking (stereotyping).

That's a very carefully chosen way of describing treating someone as a criminal because they happen to loosely line up with how criminals are portrayed in the media. And when you're born with a skin colour that leads to certain kinds of "heuristic thinking" then you're more likely to get treated like a criminal.

Which, as I've said a few times, is very fething obviously a problem, shown clearly by the events that started this thread, and I absolutely cannot believe the efforts people are going to ignore it.


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A Town Called Malus wrote:I think it's more accurate to say that black people are statistically more likely to be convicted of a crime than other ethnicities. That doesn't necessarily mean that they are committing more crimes, just that they get convicted more. It could be just as much a sign of bias in the justice system as black people committing more crimes.

No, I think it's pretty safe to say they are committing more crimes. The system has problems, but it doesn't have problems on that scale.

It's important to recognise there are basic social drivers for why black guys are committing crimes more often, but there's no point pretending it isn't true.

Surgeon General Warning: Please wear Hoodies responsively. Complications MAY occur if worn by certain ethnicity or worn at certain time.

LunaHound wrote:Surgeon General Warning: Please wear Hoodies responsively. Complications MAY occur if worn by certain ethnicity or worn at certain time.

I have exposed ears. So they get cold fast, So i love my hoods. But my mom always says i look like im up to no good

hotsauceman1 wrote:But my mom always says i look like im up to no good

started makin' trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight and my mom scared
and said you're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air

halonachos wrote:Okay, here we go again making poor assumptions and taking things out of context. In fact there had been a series of burglaries in the area by suspects who were described as "black males" of some height. Not sure about the exact height but I would guess that they were around 5'8 to 6'2. Unfortunately Trayvon fit the description, and this is something else that's incredibly special, its a primarily white neighborhood from what I can recall. That means he did indeed stick out like a sore thumb, its all about context sebster.

Oh and I wear hoodies, but even I recognize the fact that troublemakers wear hoodies. Especially at night with the hood up.

I'm not taking anything out of context. Your effort to give context changed nothing, and still described the exact same fethed up situation.

Imagine you're a dude who's, I don't know, left handed. Imagine that left handed people were treated poorly for a long time, and while reforms did happen to give them equal treatment before the law, they remained on the bottom rung of society. Being on the bottom rung of society, there is typically more crime committed by left handed people.

Which means that when you were talking down the street and someone noticed you were favouring your left hand, they immediately thought of crimes that were committed in the area by someone who was also left handed.

You have nothing to do with that person, you just happen to share a superficial trait. But now you're suspected of a crime. Everywhere you go, you're more likely than a right handed person to be suspected of crime, because of a quirk of genetics that has nothing to do with how you live your life.

Anyone on this planet should be able to say 'well that's fethed up and clearly not fair'. And yet this happens to a black guy, and so many people invent so much nonsense to avoid saying 'well that's fethed up and clearly not fair'.

Luco wrote:

Alraz_ka wrote:Does the American society consider African American males more threatening than other males and if so, why?

According to statistics the FBI collects African Americans, not just males but in general, have arrest rates for crimes at a rate that is double what as their population would suggest. Ie: 12.6% of the society (That is, African-Americans) commit 24% of all crimes (up to 40% of all murders, 50% of all burglaries, and 31% of all prostitution crimes). They also have a rather impressive percent when it comes to being a new host for an std, sitting at 70%.

Sources: FBI, CDC, Census Bureau

Considering we know it isn't a genetic issue, the question then becomes why are these so high in comparison? There are a lot of different answers and it is probably a combination of some of them, but a lot of it is going involve building marginalized communities in the shadow slavery and then extreme prejudice. While things get better there is still not a reasonable parity with other groups. It doesn't happen overnight and it doesn't happen when people just act as if it is an individual issue when it is a societal and community issue.


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LunaHound wrote:Surgeon General Warning: Please wear Hoodies responsively. Complications MAY occur if worn by certain ethnicity or worn at certain time.

Looks dangerous, gonna have to put her down.

Ahtman wrote:the question then becomes why are these so high in comparison?

We have a saying that "money and power is everything."
When the said subject in question, has no money or real form of power, they resort to the basics..

Having power and control over someone's life and well being. No matter how rich or powerful someone is, they'll be at the mercy of the perpetrator.

That rush and temporary power, I imagine, is what drives them.

Ahtman wrote:Looks dangerous, gonna have to put her down.

and then Luna was banished to the Moon

Well, we've blamed the victim and there's fething ponies in the thread now.

Can we end this travesty?

Monster Rain wrote:Well, we've blamed the victim and there's fething ponies in the thread now.

Can we end this travesty?

The pony posts were used like political satire, it has meanings.

That is of course unless you are so dead against ponies that you mentally blocked the meaning of it.

BOO HISS BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO0000000000000oooooooooooooooooooooooo

LunaHound wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Well, we've blamed the victim and there's fething ponies in the thread now.

Can we end this travesty?

The pony posts were used like political satire, it has meanings.

That is of course unless you are so dead against ponies that you mentally blocked the meaning of it.

If you're implying that I take nothing seriously in a post that has MLP in it... Yeah, I guess you're right.

Sorry then....



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