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SlaveToDorkness wrote:Witnesses said he was bashing Zimmerman's head on the concrete and broke his nose. They also stated that it was Zimmerman calling for help on the 911 calls.
But don't let that get in the way of having a good old fashioned riot.
Why did he approach Trayvon at all? But no please, refer to as much irrelevant nonsense as you like to avoid having to actually think about this issue.
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LunaHound wrote: Maybe its just me, but Zimmerman seems awfully "enthusiastic" going after Trygon Logic dictates I agree with you xD
So was Trygons friend mawloc involved?
GG
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Ahtman wrote:He was talking to someone on the phone at the time. How often do people walk around talking into gun?
You don't talk to your guns?? I 'talked' with sweet sweet charlene everynight... she was only a Airsoft gun but she was still nice and I loved her. Alas though like all good things in life she was taken from me to soon....( ie I was broke and had to sell her =o\ )
Over the last 48 hours, there has been a sustained effort to smear Trayvon Martin, the 17-year old African-American who was shot dead by George Zimmerman a month ago. Martin’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, said, “They killed my son, now they’re trying to kill his reputation.”
Thus far these attacks have fallen into two categories: false and irrelevant. Much of this leaked information seems intended to play into stereotypes about young African-American males. Here’s what everyone should know:
1. Prominent conservative websites published fake photos of Martin. Twitchy, a new website run by prominent conservative blogger Michelle Malkin, promoted a photo — purportedly from Martin’s Facebook page — that shows Martin in saggy pants and flipping the bird. The photo, which spread quickly on conservative websites and Twitter, is intended to paint Martin as a thug. As Twitchy later acknowledged, it is not a photo of Trayvon Martin. [Examiner]
2. The Sanford Police selectively leaked irrelevant, negative information about Martin. The authorities told the Orlando Sentinel this morning that Trayvon was suspended from school for ten days “after being found with an empty marijuana baggie.” There is no evidence that Martin was under the influence of drugs at the time of his death, nor would prior possession of marijuana be a reason for killing him. It’s unclear what the relevance of the leak was, other than to smear Martin. [Orlando Sentinel]
3. On Fox News, Geraldo said that Martin was dressed “like a wannabe gangster.” Bill O’Reilly agreed with him. The sole evidence is that Martin was wearing a hoodie. Geraldo added that “everyone that ever stuck up a convenience store” was wearing a hoodie. [ThinkProgress; The Blaze]
4. Without any evidence, prominent right-wing bloggers suggested that Martin was a drug dealer. Right-wing blogger Dan Riehl advances the theory, also advanced in a widely linked peice on a site called Wagist. There does not appear to be any evidence to support this claim whatsoever. [Riehl World View]
5. Without any evidence, a right-wing columnist alleged that Martin assaulted a bus driver. Unlike Zimmerman, Trayvon has no documented history of violence. This allegation continues to be advanced by a blogger on the Examiner even after the real reason was leaked to the police and confirmed by the family. [Miami Herald; Examiner]
6. Zimmerman’s friend says Martin was to blame because he was disrespectful to Zimmerman. Zimmerman’s friend Joe Oliver said that Martin would not have been shot to death if Trayvon had just said “I’m staying with my parents.” Of course, Zimmerman was not a police officer, and Trayvon had no duty to tell him who he was or where he was going. [NBC News]
The final part of the effort to smear Trayvon Martin is to link him and his supporters to irresponsible fringe groups like the New Black Panthers and marignal provocateurs like Louis Farrakhan. Threats by these groups are serious and should be investigated, but they have nothing to do with Martin or his supporters. The leader of the effort to associate Martin with these groups is Matt Drudge. You can see how he is framing the story today here.
Ultimately, whether Martin was a perfect person is irrelevant to whether Zimmerman’s conduct that night was justified. Clearly, there are two different versions of the events that transpired on February 26, the night Trayvon was killed. There are conflicting statements by witnesses and conflicting evidence as to who was the aggressor. Zimmerman has the right to tell his side of the story. But his opportunity to do this will come in a court of law after he is charged and arrested. In the meantime, Zimmerman’s supporters should stop trying to smear the reputation of a dead, 17-year-old boy.
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Over the last 48 hours, there has been a sustained effort to smear Trayvon Martin, the 17-year old African-American who was shot dead by George Zimmerman a month ago. Martin’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, said, “They killed my son, now they’re trying to kill his reputation.”
And everyone in the rightwing noise machine, Malkin, Drudge, all of them, should be absolutely ashamed. And just as ashamed should be anyone on this site who continues to read their gak and repeat here, once it's become so obvious they are nothing more than lying liars who lie to people who want to hear lies that reflect their politics.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
I found this link in the comments off of the OP. Now I'm really curious if the case is as generally cut and dry as the media is making it out to be, especially with regards to the image of Trayvon currently being put forth.
Wore a hoodie? Had multiple tattoos? Had a friend on facebook who threw up a gang sign in a picture? Smoked weed in high school?
I hope no one shoots me to death on the way to work tonight, because I think we've successfully established they'd be well within their rights to do so, free of consequences.
Don't forget was caught with a load of jewelry and a screw driver when he was suspended. Great kid.
Over the last 48 hours, there has been a sustained effort to smear Trayvon Martin, the 17-year old African-American who was shot dead by George Zimmerman a month ago. Martin’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, said, “They killed my son, now they’re trying to kill his reputation.”
Thus far these attacks have fallen into two categories: false and irrelevant. Much of this leaked information seems intended to play into stereotypes about young African-American males. Here’s what everyone should know:
1. Prominent conservative websites published fake photos of Martin. Twitchy, a new website run by prominent conservative blogger Michelle Malkin, promoted a photo — purportedly from Martin’s Facebook page — that shows Martin in saggy pants and flipping the bird. The photo, which spread quickly on conservative websites and Twitter, is intended to paint Martin as a thug. As Twitchy later acknowledged, it is not a photo of Trayvon Martin. [Examiner]
2. The Sanford Police selectively leaked irrelevant, negative information about Martin. The authorities told the Orlando Sentinel this morning that Trayvon was suspended from school for ten days “after being found with an empty marijuana baggie.” There is no evidence that Martin was under the influence of drugs at the time of his death, nor would prior possession of marijuana be a reason for killing him. It’s unclear what the relevance of the leak was, other than to smear Martin. [Orlando Sentinel]
3. On Fox News, Geraldo said that Martin was dressed “like a wannabe gangster.” Bill O’Reilly agreed with him. The sole evidence is that Martin was wearing a hoodie. Geraldo added that “everyone that ever stuck up a convenience store” was wearing a hoodie. [ThinkProgress; The Blaze]
4. Without any evidence, prominent right-wing bloggers suggested that Martin was a drug dealer. Right-wing blogger Dan Riehl advances the theory, also advanced in a widely linked peice on a site called Wagist. There does not appear to be any evidence to support this claim whatsoever. [Riehl World View]
5. Without any evidence, a right-wing columnist alleged that Martin assaulted a bus driver. Unlike Zimmerman, Trayvon has no documented history of violence. This allegation continues to be advanced by a blogger on the Examiner even after the real reason was leaked to the police and confirmed by the family. [Miami Herald; Examiner]
6. Zimmerman’s friend says Martin was to blame because he was disrespectful to Zimmerman. Zimmerman’s friend Joe Oliver said that Martin would not have been shot to death if Trayvon had just said “I’m staying with my parents.” Of course, Zimmerman was not a police officer, and Trayvon had no duty to tell him who he was or where he was going. [NBC News]
The final part of the effort to smear Trayvon Martin is to link him and his supporters to irresponsible fringe groups like the New Black Panthers and marignal provocateurs like Louis Farrakhan. Threats by these groups are serious and should be investigated, but they have nothing to do with Martin or his supporters. The leader of the effort to associate Martin with these groups is Matt Drudge. You can see how he is framing the story today here.
Ultimately, whether Martin was a perfect person is irrelevant to whether Zimmerman’s conduct that night was justified. Clearly, there are two different versions of the events that transpired on February 26, the night Trayvon was killed. There are conflicting statements by witnesses and conflicting evidence as to who was the aggressor. Zimmerman has the right to tell his side of the story. But his opportunity to do this will come in a court of law after he is charged and arrested. In the meantime, Zimmerman’s supporters should stop trying to smear the reputation of a dead, 17-year-old boy.
Its not irrelevant. It shows the motivation to follow Trayvon was less racist and more - hey there's a guy that looks like a thief.
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I was completely unaware that the child in question was dressed in a striped top, carrying a sack with SWAG written on the side and wearing a domino mask.
.. oh.. wait...
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Kilkrazy wrote:You really think that justifies shooting him?
Non sequitor or some such Englishy word.
It shows this isn't the black and white thing its being made out to be.
*The kid didn't look like a mormon teenager, but potentially much more thuggish, making a report more understandable.
*Witness testimony is now contradicting and supporting Z's story that he was going back to his car when attacked. If attacked and in fear for your life you can defend youself, in pretty much every jurisdiction in the US and UK.
*The 911 call is now being disputed - the screams on the phone have now been testified to as belonging to Z and not the kid. That further support's Z's story.
*Other parties are now using this as some sort of race rally and fight against self defense laws and legal ownership of guns.
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reds8n wrote:
hey there's a guy that looks like a thief.
I was completely unaware that the child in question was dressed in a striped top, carrying a sack with SWAG written on the side and wearing a domino mask.
.. oh.. wait...
SOunds like a good party.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
It shows this isn't the black and white thing its being made out to be.
Actually this, and comments like yours, make it more and more this.
black man in hood = thug. Got ya.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Kilkrazy wrote:You really think that justifies shooting him?
Non sequitor or some such Englishy word.
It shows this isn't the black and white thing its being made out to be.
*The kid didn't look like a mormon teenager, but potentially much more thuggish, making a report more understandable.
*Witness testimony is now contradicting and supporting Z's story that he was going back to his car when attacked. If attacked and in fear for your life you can defend youself, in pretty much every jurisdiction in the US and UK.
*The 911 call is now being disputed - the screams on the phone have now been testified to as belonging to Z and not the kid. That further support's Z's story.
*Other parties are now using this as some sort of race rally and fight against self defense laws and legal ownership of guns.
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reds8n wrote:
hey there's a guy that looks like a thief.
I was completely unaware that the child in question was dressed in a striped top, carrying a sack with SWAG written on the side and wearing a domino mask.
.. oh.. wait...
SOunds like a good party.
This is why the thing needs to go to court as was recommended when the case was discussed on DakDak a couple of weeks ago.
However it looks like that will not happen. People are lining up on racial and political grounds to choose "evidence" that supports their preconceptions.
The last time we discussed this case, my opinion was that the shooter was possibly justified in his actions -- i.e. in genuine fear of his life. I am finding that harder difficult to believe as more "evidence" emerges. In particular, if the case against Trayvon really is so strong, I don't see why people have to make up a lot of lies to support it.
It shows this isn't the black and white thing its being made out to be.
Actually this, and comments like yours, make it more and more this.
black man in hood = thug. Got ya.
Black man in hood. Whatever Teenager in tats. Teenager who may or may not have been a drug dealer / thief in a gated community where the alleged shooter most of the people, and had previous incident of home burglaries.
It makes justifiction to report the kid more realistic. Getting out of the car was a bad idea. However now the Z statement makes more sense. If Z didn't confront Trayvon, but was instead the one confronted, and was then attacked, then it was a good shoot.
Everyone may commence calling me a racist, evil, blah blah now and feel superior.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Teenager who may or may not have been a drug dealer / thief ....
Or someone collecting for charity or, I dunno, someone visiting a family member ? CRAZY talk I know.
It's almost like determining who is and isn't allowed in places like that isn't actually up to random blowhard idiots with a gun and an overinflated sense of self importance and seemingly feth all else to do with their time.
Still it's always reassuring to know that people's worry about their blessed right to carry guns so they can kill innocent strangers , seemingly on a whim, will always triumph over basic human decency.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
If it's so open and shut there won't be any trouble getting Z off.
Whats the charge Mr. Prosecutor?
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reds8n wrote:
Teenager who may or may not have been a drug dealer / thief ....
Or someone collecting for charity or, I dunno, someone visiting a family member ? CRAZY talk I know.
It's almost like determining who is and isn't allowed in places like that isn't actually up to random blowhard idiots with a gun and an overinflated sense of self importance and seemingly feth all else to do with their time.
Still it's always reassuring to know that people's worry about their blessed right to carry guns so they can kill innocent strangers , seemingly on a whim, will always triumph over basic human decency.
So now you're arguing you can't in fact call 911? Seriously?
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reds8n wrote:
Teenager who may or may not have been a drug dealer / thief ....
Or someone collecting for charity or, I dunno, someone visiting a family member ? CRAZY talk I know.
It's almost like determining who is and isn't allowed in places like that isn't actually up to random blowhard idiots with a gun and an overinflated sense of self importance and seemingly feth all else to do with their time.
Still it's always reassuring to know that people's worry about their blessed right to carry guns so they can kill innocent strangers , seemingly on a whim, will always triumph over basic human decency.
You're the one bringing guns into the argument.
On the psoitive, if you don't like it, don't come here.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Not THAT far from Sanford is a little town called Fort Christams. there they have an old fort and some old Ranch houses. Its a pretty cool place for a day trip if you live in the area.
Anyway, the old ranch houses (1870 to 1930) in the area were made out of a cheap wood called cracker board. Typically, only lowly ranch hands and farmers lived in these buildings.
I'm at work, and can't do the proper research on the term, but I wonder if these meager cracker board buildings somehow led to the term, Cracker?
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So now you're arguing you can't in fact call 911? Seriously?
No and no.
Well done.
I would urge that if you do see someone doing something suspicious -- personally I don't think someone, in broad daylight, walking down the road eating, drinking and/or chatting on a mobile phone is that note worthy but I can, almost, imagine how it could be -- then calling 911/999/number appropriate for the country is the right thing to do.
And then do what they say, not decide to go all Punisher on their ass, as, you know, there's a more than good chance the guy is doing nothing and minding his own business.
On the psoitive, if you don't like it, don't come here.
Seeing how you treat your own citizens I have no desire to, worry not.
Besides IIRC there's a (former) poster who has a bruther (sic) who works in scurity ( sic) at the airport ( Because there's only 1 in America it seems) who will look out for me and then come and $%^& me up. Apparently.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
If it's so open and shut there won't be any trouble getting Z off.
Whats the charge Mr. Prosecutor?
Jaywalking?
That's what people are usually tried for when they shoot someone.
Depends on the jurisdiction. I've heard Florida has the 'no retreat" law on jaywalking.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
There has to be a crime to charge someone. As Fraz pointed out, IF the shoot was in self defense and therefore within the law, there is no crime.
No crime = no charge = no trial
That is kind of the way the system is supposed to work. And not just when YOU feel it applies.
You can't arrest and charge the guy until you have a charge... Perhaps that is why they are investigating? If the investigation turns up enough credible evidence to charge Zimmerman, they will.
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Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
Seeing how you treat your own citizens I have no desire to, worry not.
What? I couldn't hear you over the stampede of people risking their lives to sneak over the border to come here.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
CptJake wrote:There has to be a crime to charge someone. As Fraz pointed out, IF the shoot was in self defense and therefore within the law, there is no crime.
No crime = no charge = no trial
That is kind of the way the system is supposed to work. And not just when YOU feel it applies.
You can't arrest and charge the guy until you have a charge... Perhaps that is why they are investigating? If the investigation turns up enough credible evidence to charge Zimmerman, they will.
Shh I was laying a very badly done trap for KK.
I think we're seeing the difficulty and why its taken some time. You have to be able to define the type of crime and part of that is the mental state required.
He may be charged, but its not an easy case as there is no key witness who actually saw what actually happened. On the one hand we're talking murder or some sort of manslaugter if Z actually pursued and then confronted T. On the other hand we're talking self defense if T confronted or attacked Z. Unfortunately there is no camera or witness as to who confronted who or how these guys got into the fight.
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Kilkrazy wrote:This is exactly the kind of case where the trial determines if there has been a crime or not.
Are they investigating?
The state has taken over the investigation. The feds are searching for a reason to get involved, although it has been some time so they may have backed off.
Again, there may be charges here, but its twitchy either way. I can say in Texas, usually defendants with a reasonable level of factual support for self defense are no billed, but in a circumstance like this would likely have charges against them, and the defendant would have to prove the defense of er self defense (sorry to repeat the same word).
Note: except in Austin of course in which case the full power of the government would attempt to put them in jail.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
What? I couldn't hear you over the stampede of people risking their lives to sneak over the border to come here.
Worry not, you've already significant numbers of people proposing or volunteering to shoot them as well.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
What? I couldn't hear you over the stampede of people risking their lives to sneak over the border to come here.
Worry not, you've already significant numbers of people proposing or volunteering to shoot them as well.
Do you need a permit and have a bag limit? This reminds me of a story...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I think it depends upon what they're eating or drinking.
If it's domestic then you can't touch'em.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Kilkrazy wrote:This is exactly the kind of case where the trial determines if there has been a crime or not.
Are they investigating?
You are gaking me right? You actually advocate arresting and detaining a person without a charge, or making up a charge for some crime you are not sure happened?
If this had gone differently and the kid was arrested and held on charges of theft until a trial to see if maybe a theft had occured and maybe the charged was the perp would you have been happy? Or would you then bitch and whine because some poor kid was detained and charged before it had been established a crime had occured let alone that he may have been the perp?
A trial determines if an accused/charged suspect has committed the crime he/she is charged with. If the cops and prosecutor don't have damned good evidence that 1) a crime has occured and 2) the charged subject is the perp, you don't go to trial.
Maybe where you are from the system is different.
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reds8n wrote: I think it depends upon what they're eating or drinking.
If it's domestic then you can't touch'em.
What if you just drive a van around. I know if I am in the country at night I attract deer like chocolate attracts Frazzled.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
