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Alpharius wrote:Where will that leave the 'unaligned' Traitor Legions in terms of Terminators?

GW is still keeping Chaos Terminators in the book, I'm guessing its more of a rewrite on "Chosen" that has GW dropping the terminator armor option for them. Take the loyalist marine book for example, they replaced the notion of "Veterans" with Sternguard and Vanguard... but that was in addition to the pre-existing Terminator units that were also regarded as "Veterans." Chaos I have no doubt is seeing a similar seperation and subdivision of its Veteran/Chosen. Some people here insist that all Chaos Veterans should have the Chaos armor option in addition to the Chosen options, but this is the equivalent of insisting that Terminators should have access to the Sternguard ammo or Vanguard heroic intervention. Those positions are justifiable, but simply create a game imbalance which is similarly likely with whatever GW is doing with Chosen.

aka_mythos wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Where will that leave the 'unaligned' Traitor Legions in terms of Terminators?

GW is still keeping Chaos Terminators in the book, I'm guessing its more of a rewrite on "Chosen" that has GW dropping the terminator armor option for them. Take the loyalist marine book for example, they replaced the notion of "Veterans" with Sternguard and Vanguard... but that was in addition to the pre-existing Terminator units that were also regarded as "Veterans." Chaos I have no doubt is seeing a similar seperation and subdivision of its Veteran/Chosen. Some people here insist that all Chaos Veterans should have the Chaos armor option in addition to the Chosen options, but this is the equivalent of insisting that Terminators should have access to the Sternguard ammo or Vanguard heroic intervention. Those positions are justifiable, but simply create a game imbalance which is similarly likely with whatever GW is doing with Chosen.

Q.F.T

Are cultists supposed to be in the 6th edition starter? If so doesn't that mean chaos has to be before 6th as cultists don't have rules in the codex.

unmercifulconker wrote:Are cultists supposed to be in the 6th edition starter? If so doesn't that mean chaos has to be before 6th as cultists don't have rules in the codex.

No it doesn't. It could easily be that the cultists would include a small packet of rules or the starter box comes with "premade" army lists.

Oh hehe silly me.

unmercifulconker wrote:Oh hehe silly me.

Nah, it's not silly at all. I wasn't trying to snap at you or anything--but something to consider is that it very well could be done in such a way that we will see the rules for cultists and CSM/DA in the starter box before we see the books.

Kanluwen wrote:

unmercifulconker wrote:Oh hehe silly me.

Nah, it's not silly at all. I wasn't trying to snap at you or anything--but something to consider is that it very well could be done in such a way that we will see the rules for cultists and CSM/DA in the starter box before we see the books.

No offence was taken Just didnt think they would do this, well then again they have always brought out rules for new stuff in the white dwarfs and such. I used to love seeing the lord of the rings models they would convert and give them new rules in the white dwarf. Woops going off-topic I am

Its probably not going to happen but id love to see a new codex go the way of Daves CSM Fandex and having warbands that give perks.

Honestly I really don't care what is in the book as long as it is competetive and flavourful! I have lived through 4 editions already, I won't be too suprised by anything they toss our way!

Okay, that's a real bummer. From the sound of it, this release is going to be a piece of crap. The rumours started out being pretty hopeful, but now they've been reduced to what sounds like a slight improvement over the 4th edition codex...


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I think you could be more specific than that.

I think it sounds like a codex that gives players what they wanted: the ability to play as Legions. Its just that it does so with a more narrowed definition of what playing as a Legion means. It seems GW is trying to balance all of them to make them equally characterful, but that its at the expense of certain options some people wanted but won't have.

I really really think that if they want to break it out into legions they should do exactly what they did with regular marines.

Make a core codex for the cults and *vanilla* (black legion)CSM's and then make a seperate codex for word beareres, iron warriors etc.

It would be a lot of fun . I'm assuming I will never have the ability to field a *bloodthister* with a regular CSM list again.

logg_frogg wrote:I really really think that if they want to break it out into legions they should do exactly what they did with regular marines.

Make a core codex for the cults and *vanilla* (black legion)CSM's and then make a seperate codex for word beareres, iron warriors etc.

It would be a lot of fun . I'm assuming I will never have the ability to field a *bloodthister* with a regular CSM list again.

I doubt that will happen though. But sadly, these cool things will never be done unless fans band together and play with house rules and codexes. But you never know.

I just hope that they at least make the current codex bigger, with multiple good builds, because it is embarrassingly small to represent all of chaos.

God I just hope these rumors are true.

sennacherib wrote:hope for the best.
pray that GW does not send chaos the way of the nids (into oblivion due to crappy codex design) or the way of the grey knights (that would be the way of brokeness).

Well to be honest, if Chaos ended up like the Nids then they'd still be better than their current Codex... and Nids aren't that bad!

When i read the news I thought about the 4ed CSM when they have special rules for each ''chapter''....

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

sennacherib wrote:hope for the best.
pray that GW does not send chaos the way of the nids (into oblivion due to crappy codex design) or the way of the grey knights (that would be the way of brokeness).

Well to be honest, if Chaos ended up like the Nids then they'd still be better than their current Codex... and Nids aren't that bad!

Broken codexes you can run all sorts of units and have them work out pretty good, with nids there are a lot of units that just suck. But I'd take a 'nid codex over current Chaos codex any day. Hear me GW? just don't make units suck please. I hope they will fix up possessed marines and spawns.

I think one way or another when this 'dex comes out, if it does, there will be RAGE and LOVE.

Meade wrote:
I think one way or another when this 'dex comes out, if it does, there will be RAGE and LOVE.

Just like every other codex...

I'm looking forward to this one. Can't wait to see how the legions are treated.

kronk wrote:

Meade wrote:
I think one way or another when this 'dex comes out, if it does, there will be RAGE and LOVE.

Just like every other codex...

I'm looking forward to this one. Can't wait to see how the legions are treated.

Same here - though I'm a bit apprehensive too... Hopefully, everything will be 'done right'!

Samus_aran115 wrote:Okay, that's a real bummer. From the sound of it, this release is going to be a piece of crap. The rumours started out being pretty hopeful, but now they've been reduced to what sounds like a slight improvement over the 4th edition codex...

Considering there's been no concrete information and nothing but conflicting rumors, I wouldn't start being Chicken Little yet.

I used to use lots of daemons in my word bearers army, but the last codex screwed me over, removing half of my army and turning them into regular daemons.

Would be lovely to have my army back.

I guess with this thing, the GW will finally push me to sell my TS army

I don't find these rumours to be at all credible, and really the reason why is the mention of giving the Red Corsairs the 'cold shoulder'.

And what, stop selling the Huron Blackheart model?

Nah, he'll still be there. Taking him might make bikes troops or something.

Hoarmurel wrote:I guess with this thing, the GW will finally push me to sell my TS army

Considering it's almost impossible to make them worse, I'm surprised you didn't sell them about 5 years ago when the current codex dropped.

Everyone should quit their preemptive crying until we actually see something, or somebody with some reliability posts something.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I don't find these rumours to be at all credible, and really the reason why is the mention of giving the Red Corsairs the 'cold shoulder'.

And what, stop selling the Huron Blackheart model?

Nah, he'll still be there. Taking him might make bikes troops or something.

If they did that then they can just copy and paste the sm codex and change around the names. However, if they give the option to take a "warband" that gave you options to troop choices and restrictions to other units then that would be a bit more interesting.

I'm sceptical about pretty much all of these rumours, though I'm going to blame my local GW for that. I don't go in all that often but the chaps in there seem to be relatively clued up, or at least close to the mark on new releases most of the time. The last time I went in the one of them that claims to be an ex-employee of the design team in Nottingham, reckoned his friends there still clued him in on stuff. He seemed to think the chaos dex was due for november, and the dark angels release was due before them. Which I am aware goes completely against the current rumour mill. As he said when are you ever going to get a new edition styled dex that's not some form of loyalist's. Though he is a chaos player so he could well be biased.

Daemon's would be out of the book entirely, and there would be allies rules with the new daemons dex in a limited capacity with certain choices on a 0-1 basis based on character or legion choices. He did however agree on cult terminators, the new iron warriors character and a couple of the other bits flying around at the moment, including the addition of 'at least one character from the horus heresy books'. Like I say though even I'm not believing that because how likely is it that an employee in a store actually has any real access to that sort of thing.

In the meantime I'll just keep going with the models I already have sat waiting in boxes without buying too much more unless it's a Forgeworld release that won't be too affected by a new dex invalidating it. It's probably safe to assume things like plague marines and the other cult troops won't change so completely that the models won't be useable, seeing as people still use certain models going back nearly 20 years if not more for those units.

Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
Daemon's would be out of the book entirely, and there would be allies rules with the new daemons dex in a limited capacity with certain choices on a 0-1 basis based on character or legion choices.

I'll believe that when I see it. GW has systematically been removing any and all "allies" options for years now. On the other hand, the Daemon codex isn't exactly a hot seller. I could see them bringing allies back out of greed if nothing else.

Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:I'm sceptical about pretty much all of these rumours, though I'm going to blame my local GW for that. I don't go in all that often but the chaps in there seem to be relatively clued up, or at least close to the mark on new releases most of the time. The last time I went in the one of them that claims to be an ex-employee of the design team in Nottingham, reckoned his friends there still clued him in on stuff. He seemed to think the chaos dex was due for november, and the dark angels release was due before them. Which I am aware goes completely against the current rumour mill. As he said when are you ever going to get a new edition styled dex that's not some form of loyalist's. Though he is a chaos player so he could well be biased.

Daemon's would be out of the book entirely, and there would be allies rules with the new daemons dex in a limited capacity with certain choices on a 0-1 basis based on character or legion choices. He did however agree on cult terminators, the new iron warriors character and a couple of the other bits flying around at the moment, including the addition of 'at least one character from the horus heresy books'. Like I say though even I'm not believing that because how likely is it that an employee in a store actually has any real access to that sort of thing.

In the meantime I'll just keep going with the models I already have sat waiting in boxes without buying too much more unless it's a Forgeworld release that won't be too affected by a new dex invalidating it. It's probably safe to assume things like plague marines and the other cult troops won't change so completely that the models won't be useable, seeing as people still use certain models going back nearly 20 years if not more for those units.

If they want to put a character from the Horus Heresy in, who wants to put money down against Little Horus? I got $5 on LH, if anyone from the heresy makes it in.

^^ watch someone from GW read this and makes it horus because of you sir!!!

H.B.M.C. wrote:I don't find these rumours to be at all credible, and really the reason why is the mention of giving the Red Corsairs the 'cold shoulder'.

wouldn't be the first time they've done something like that

They're not including BL characters in the codex. Aaron Dembski-Bowden confirmed this when Ghost21 was shooting rumors off in every direction.