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**Notod**

Crayola wrote:Really? You think a competitive codex like BT needs a codex over Chaos, Tau, Eldar or Tyranids? Length of codex release does not equate to need. At least BT have one competitive build, chaos have absolutely zero after the faq nerf.

Ah yes a competitive build based around the exact opposite of what Templars should be doing if im correct (gunline list), but as i stated this is not the time or place for this debate,

**SickSix**

Khornate25 wrote:
SickSix wrote:Why has this thread not been locked yet?

Why should it be ? Has one of the forum rule been broken here ?

It has become pure wishlisting and has gone way off topic. Plenty of other threads have been closed in this forum for those reasons alone.

**Brother SRM**

Zweischneid wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:
Lockark wrote:I hope it's not Eldar.... Going to be hard to keep newbies in the game after they have whole guardian squads wiped out by bolter fire in one shooting turn. =/

Yes, because Ork boyz with their 6+ armor saves definitely can't die in droves.

I think that is part of the point. Not to kill Orks in droves, but to show how different aspects of the game-mechanics work. Including the interaction of armour and AP.

Exactly! It means we get diverse armies. Also, Macragge didn't really favor the Marines since it had Genestealers in the box, which are a hard counter.

Khornate25 wrote:It almost looks like if GW was trying to suicide itself and give us more and more reasons to go on the side of Privateer Press. Damn these idiots.

How the hell do you come to this conclusion, and what does this have to do with this thread at all?

**Cyrax**

Bigred wrote:Don't you just hate competing rumors? Two "new" branches of the rumormill tree just shot up in the last three days. Here's what the rumormongers are saying for the next codex:

1) Chaos Legions is next -
PROS: codices are said to back from printers, minis are done, matches the power-armor / non power armor release pattern
CONS: GW's desire to wait till after 6th launches to put out such an important and awaited book and mini range.
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Average

2) Tau is next -
PROS: last major ancient un-updated codex from 4th, minis are done, and on ice for months, no word on codex
CONS: Surprise rumor coming out of nowhere, would be 2 xenos in a row for codex releases
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Average

3) Dark Angels are next-
PROS: older codex in need of an update, DA minis seen in the new starter painting sets, matches the power-armor / non power armor release pattern
CONS: Yet another marine variant, with low interest compared to the other contenders, after 6 months of no new 40K codices.
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Low

The "conventional wisdom" (a whole 2 months old) of Chaos being next happened after a hoaxster from early in the year admitted feeding a bunch of bull regarding upcoming Tau Empire rules. Before that happened, and for several months before that incident, the conventional wisdom had Tau as the last codex of 5th Edition. Dark Angels were the fallback as the "low-risk quick update" if GW just wanted to get something easy out the door to fill space before 6th.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/04/40k-rumors-door-1-2-or-3.html

**Deadshot**

The Nids need a new codex but they won't get one untill 7th Ed.

**lord_blackfang**

Deadshot wrote:The Nids need a new codex but they won't get one untill 7th Ed.

Nids are the only xenos that get a Codex every edition.

**Deadshot**

That's because there was major changes. Genestealer cults in 2nd, different in 3rd, broodlord back in 4th, Cruddace, Space Hulk. They really have everything they could need, its just not good and in need of a remodelling.

**Zweischneid**

Notod wrote:

Ah yes a competitive build based around the exact opposite of what Templars should be doing if im correct (gunline list), but as i stated this is not the time or place for this debate,

By that logic, Space Wolves need a new Codex even more desperately..

**Electro**

Cyrax wrote:
Bigred wrote:Don't you just hate competing rumors? Two "new" branches of the rumormill tree just shot up in the last three days. Here's what the rumormongers are saying for the next codex:

1) Chaos Legions is next -
PROS: codices are said to back from printers, minis are done, matches the power-armor / non power armor release pattern
CONS: GW's desire to wait till after 6th launches to put out such an important and awaited book and mini range.
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Average

2) Tau is next -
PROS: last major ancient un-updated codex from 4th, minis are done, and on ice for months, no word on codex
CONS: Surprise rumor coming out of nowhere, would be 2 xenos in a row for codex releases
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Average

3) Dark Angels are next-
PROS: older codex in need of an update, DA minis seen in the new starter painting sets, matches the power-armor / non power armor release pattern
CONS: Yet another marine variant, with low interest compared to the other contenders, after 6 months of no new 40K codices.
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Low

The "conventional wisdom" (a whole 2 months old) of Chaos being next happened after a hoaxster from early in the year admitted feeding a bunch of bull regarding upcoming Tau Empire rules. Before that happened, and for several months before that incident, the conventional wisdom had Tau as the last codex of 5th Edition. Dark Angels were the fallback as the "low-risk quick update" if GW just wanted to get something easy out the door to fill space before 6th.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/04/40k-rumors-door-1-2-or-3.html

Hum... Yes... A well thought out analasys of the rumors that puts Tau (who's release was baised entierly on lies someone has admitted were lies and a few early sculpts that may or may not have been a new tau race) above DA (Who are on the spine, new paint set etc)... Not that I think either of them will be next.

Personaly I think we are going to see Chaos next (probably May), then DA after 6th. MAYBE there will be a 3rd codex this year, probably Tau or Eldar, but more likely early 2013.

**Kroothawk**

Tau is next -
PROS: last major ancient un-updated codex from 4th

... except for the following "niche" armies:
Orks, Eldar, CSM and Daemons

(not to speak of 3rd edition Witchhunters/Sororitas)

**Kepora**

Khornate25 wrote:It almost looks like if GW was trying to suicide itself and give us more and more reasons to go on the side of Privateer Press. Damn these idiots.

Assuming that Privateer Press IS a side.

Notod wrote:
Kepora wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:I know they have done this many times before, but when is it going to get to the point were it is just ridiculous?

Hehe I too hope templars would come sooner but I am Chaos and a Templar at heart so I don't mind what comes first, as long as it isn't any filthy xenos.

Says the person with an army that doesn't need it's own friggin' book (Templars) to people whom really need the updates (Eldar, Tau).

Right, because Templar are so competitive, tell me, out of all the 40k players you know personally how many Templar players do you know?

Also on the matter of the book, tell me how much do you know of Marine lore because calling an Ultra a Templar is like saying a Tabby Cat is a German Shepard

As for the Tau and Eldar being in more a need....

Eldar came out in 11/06 or November 2006

Tau came in 03/06 or March 2006

Templar in 11/05 or November 2005

By all means and standards Templar are in a despreate need of a make over, you can say "But there marines!" all you want, it doesnt change the fact that our "book" is nothing more then a phamlet compared to some of the other races out there and i dont just mean GK, IG, and BA, but even to the DA, and hell even the Tau have a more in depth codex then the Templars,

**Edit**
Forgot to mention i dont mean to rant, but *sigh* yeah, anyway, i think adding in the traitor guard would be amazing, and would probably pull in some new players if they got the chance to see some spiked up Leeman Russ's blowing stuff up.

Old =/= non-competitive, and the only difference between Templars and Ultras is a page of fluff, inclusion of a couple extra models (most of it's the same models, jsut blinged/repurposed from Scouts), and exclusive of a few models. Just make Marshals have the inclusion/exclusion rules replace chapter tactics. And the lack of depth of Templars fluff is a REAOSN they should be in the SM book; they aren't even a founding chapter! They're jsut an even crazier batch of Imperial Fists descendants!

Khornate25 wrote:
I am with you on this point. Templar players must have been waiting for so long that their army and codex must be dusty and cracked. However, I think you misurderstood what he meant by an army that didn't needed a book. I think (and I might be wrong) he meant that all MeQ (except CSM) should be wrapped around in one big codex rather than divided. However, again I am with you on the idea the BT need their own codex. Each SM chapter is different and so should have its own set of rules.

Well, I think BA, GK, and SW have ENOUGH to set them apart, but DA and Templars? yeah, include them in the SM book. We don't need to go all the way to Codex: Lamenters or Codex: Emperor's Pointy Sticks before xeno and chaos codices get a fair shot.

Notod wrote:
Crayola wrote:Really? You think a competitive codex like BT needs a codex over Chaos, Tau, Eldar or Tyranids? Length of codex release does not equate to need. At least BT have one competitive build, chaos have absolutely zero after the faq nerf.

Ah yes a competitive build based around the exact opposite of what Templars should be doing if im correct (gunline list), but as i stated this is not the time or place for this debate,

Termie blob (mix of LC and TH/SS) with Emperor's champions and either a termie chaplain or a marshall attached (I forget which is was). Holy crap it was a hard list to face.

Zweischneid wrote:
Notod wrote:

Ah yes a competitive build based around the exact opposite of what Templars should be doing if im correct (gunline list), but as i stated this is not the time or place for this debate,

By that logic, Space Wolves need a new Codex even more desperately..

See the above statement, just substitute termies with Wolf Guard (PA or Termie) and Emeperor's Champion/Marshall with Logan/Ragnar. Fething hard-hitting squad that's mean when slingshotted out of a LR Crusader. Buddy runs that, people don't expect that build so it throws 'em for a loop.

**Medium of Death**

Oh hai Chaos Rumours Thread!

What's that? No New Rumours?

**Zweischneid**

Kepora wrote:

Termie blob (mix of LC and TH/SS) with Emperor's champions and either a termie chaplain or a marshall attached (I forget which is was). Holy crap it was a hard list to face.

Zweischneid wrote:
Notod wrote:

Ah yes a competitive build based around the exact opposite of what Templars should be doing if im correct (gunline list), but as i stated this is not the time or place for this debate,

By that logic, Space Wolves need a new Codex even more desperately..

See the above statement, just substitute termies with Wolf Guard (PA or Termie) and Emeperor's Champion/Marshall with Logan/Ragnar. Fething hard-hitting squad that's mean when slingshotted out of a LR Crusader. Buddy runs that, people don't expect that build so it throws 'em for a loop.

Sorry. But Mega-Deathstars from a LR tends to fizzle against all but the greenst of newbs. It's easy to see, easy to counter, terribly hard to pull its weight as a point-sink. With added characters and all the jingles, it'll hardly ever make its point backs even if it hits. It's a fun add-on for oversized games with points to spare. Largly because it is "overkill" and not delivering the punch point-efficiently in a way that, say, Genestealers can. It's not gonna win you serious games.

It perhaps should be. It's an iconic "Space Marine attack". But it just doesn't deliver victory on the table. And if it does, it does so by ignoring the evident "strengths" of the Wolf Codex (the reduced necessity to be on the charge, their relative superiority in multi-targeting thanks to split-fire, etc.., without giving away combat-squad kill-points, etc..), not by using them. If you make a list work, that goes against the grain of the list... good for you. Shows your quality as a player. Doesn't mean the Codex is working as intended (presuming someone intended it to synch with the fluff):

**ZebioLizard2**

Well, I think BA, GK, and SW have ENOUGH to set them apart, but DA and Templars? yeah, include them in the SM book. We don't need to go all the way to Codex: Lamenters or Codex: Emperor's Pointy Sticks before xeno and chaos codices get a fair shot.

Lets not go over this again, afterall us DA players are still rather bitter over how often this comes up.

That's because there was major changes. Genestealer cults in 2nd, different in 3rd, broodlord back in 4th, Cruddace, Space Hulk. They really have everything they could need, its just not good and in need of a remodelling

Nids are one of the more customizable mini's out there, they could repurpose them each time and add in new things, because since when does logic matter when they still sell.

**kenshin620**

So to sum up the last few pages

Contradictory rumors, a lot of them freshly new

Back and forth whining on what is "right and fair" for codecies

Another typical +10 page rumor thread eh?

**PapaPiggy**

So much hate on rumor threads. Its all rumors and yet you guys are looking for hard facts.

I hope when chaos comes out they don't make it so you have to play a certain legion. I want to still be able to make my own legion with out having to use the rules and play style for just one. As for DA they should be their own codex. Raven wing and Death wing where one of the best things about that codex. I know you can take a captain on a bike and have bike troops right now, But its no where near the same. Still can't figure out why it matters if there are more than one codex. Lumping all the space marine armies into one codex is a terrible thing to want. Turning great fluff and play style into another basic marine codex would be the biggest mistake GW could make.

**kenshin620**

PapaPiggy wrote:. Its all rumors and yet you guys are looking for hard facts.

Well thats kind of the point

Without a confirmed rumor, rumors are pretty much a fun little speculation to read at best, and a complete waste of time at worst

A lot of people do not want to waste their time

**Stoffer**

Cyrax wrote:
Bigred wrote:Don't you just hate competing rumors? Two "new" branches of the rumormill tree just shot up in the last three days. Here's what the rumormongers are saying for the next codex:

1) Chaos Legions is next -
PROS: codices are said to back from printers, minis are done, matches the power-armor / non power armor release pattern
CONS: GW's desire to wait till after 6th launches to put out such an important and awaited book and mini range.
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Average

2) Tau is next -
PROS: last major ancient un-updated codex from 4th, minis are done, and on ice for months, no word on codex
CONS: Surprise rumor coming out of nowhere, would be 2 xenos in a row for codex releases
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Average

3) Dark Angels are next-
PROS: older codex in need of an update, DA minis seen in the new starter painting sets, matches the power-armor / non power armor release pattern
CONS: Yet another marine variant, with low interest compared to the other contenders, after 6 months of no new 40K codices.
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Low

The "conventional wisdom" (a whole 2 months old) of Chaos being next happened after a hoaxster from early in the year admitted feeding a bunch of bull regarding upcoming Tau Empire rules. Before that happened, and for several months before that incident, the conventional wisdom had Tau as the last codex of 5th Edition. Dark Angels were the fallback as the "low-risk quick update" if GW just wanted to get something easy out the door to fill space before 6th.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/04/40k-rumors-door-1-2-or-3.html

Tau over DA is extremely unlikely. GW seem to alternate between MEQ and non-MEQ so you can almost be certain that some marine faction will follow Necrons. If you pull all the codex release dates and compare them to the factions, there is a pretty clear pattern.

I really hope it's Chaos next, but I think the most likely candidate is DA (which makes me slightly sad. It's very likely not Tau though, which would break the pattern:

Necrons (non-MEQ)
GK (MEQ)
DE (non-MEQ)
BA (MEQ)
Nids (non-MEQ)
SW (MEQ)
IG (non-MEQ)
SM (MEQ)

In terms of release pattern, you're unlikely to see Tau. All things considered, it's very likely that the next release is DA and Chaos, with DA having the edge from what I hear. Regardless of what, next Monday is a fairly important date informationwise, so we'll see.

Edit: I've not included sisters because they're like a WD footnote than an actual full on codex release.

**LoneLictor**

kenshin620 wrote:
PapaPiggy wrote:. Its all rumors and yet you guys are looking for hard facts.

Well thats kind of the point

Without a confirmed rumor, rumors are pretty much a fun little speculation to read at best, and a complete waste of time at worst

A lot of people do not want to waste their time

Warhammer 40k itself is a waste of time. You spend money and accomplish nothing. But we do it anyways because its fun.

**SickSix**

Maybe I am wrong but I thought Ghost21 was claiming he made up the story that he sat in Horus Heresy meetings with BL authors after ADB smashed him in the face. (figuratively speaking) Not necessarily that he made up everything he had ever said.

(this in response to everyone now discounting any and all Tau rumors)

**aka_mythos**

Well, I think BA, GK, and SW have ENOUGH to set them apart, but DA and Templars? yeah, include them in the SM book. We don't need to go all the way to Codex: Lamenters or Codex: Emperor's Pointy Sticks before xeno and chaos codices get a fair shot.

As it stands currently with the DA and BT, maybe but it took the most recent update to change SW and BA to being distinctive enough. I have No doubt GW will do the same for DA and BT. DA are already happening and BT actually has enough justifiable fluff.

**Lockark**

Brother SRM wrote:
Lockark wrote:I hope it's not Eldar.... Going to be hard to keep newbies in the game after they have whole guardian squads wiped out by bolter fire in one shooting turn. =/

Yes, because Ork boyz with their 6+ armor saves definitely can't die in droves.

Yah, but Orks Have more bodies and T4 to balance that out. A 10 man T3 guardian squad is going to evaporate really quick..... Realy the only reason the current set favours SM is that the SM have slightly more points worth of stuff, and they didn't realy give the orks much to deal with the dread beyond the 3 deff copptahs. Other wise it's a fairly balanced set, and the orks still have a chance to win.

It's not that they couldn't balence a Eldar Vs. SM set, It's how do you balance the two forces out well avoiding a huge learning curve.

**Deadshot**

Nad the BfM campaign layout made it almost impossible for SM to win it.

**Zweischneid**

Stoffer wrote:
I really hope it's Chaos next, but I think the most likely candidate is DA (which makes me slightly sad. It's very likely not Tau though, which would break the pattern:

Necrons (non-MEQ)
GK (MEQ)
DE (non-MEQ)
BA (MEQ)
Nids (non-MEQ)
SW (MEQ)
IG (non-MEQ)
SM (MEQ)

I think the pattern is less about MEQ/non-MEQ, but about the quantity of plastic kits released in a given time window.

Nids/SW (Spring 11 - (semi) small release; 8 new releases)
Necrons (Fall 2011 - (semi) big release; 9 new releases initially, though there were another 11 Dark Eldar releases July to October)
GK (Spring 2011 - small release; 6 new releases, as well as BA Furioso and Stormraven shortly before that)
DE (Fall 2010 - (very) big release; 16 new releases initially)
BA (Spring 2010 - small release; 8 new releases)
Nids/SW (Winter 2009/2010 - two small releases; SW 5 new releases (Nov) & Nids 6 new releases (Jan))
IG (Spring 2009 - small release; 8 new releases)
SM (Fall 2008 - big release;10 new releases + AoBR + another helping of Orks Newyear 2009)

I would expect Chaos to be "big" release if even half the current rumours are true. That would place it more towards the end of the year, even if it's power armour.

**Stoffer**

Zweischneid wrote:
Stoffer wrote:
I really hope it's Chaos next, but I think the most likely candidate is DA (which makes me slightly sad. It's very likely not Tau though, which would break the pattern:

Necrons (non-MEQ)
GK (MEQ)
DE (non-MEQ)
BA (MEQ)
Nids (non-MEQ)
SW (MEQ)
IG (non-MEQ)
SM (MEQ)

I think the pattern is less about MEQ/non-MEQ, but about the quantity of plastic kits released in a given time window.

Nids/SW (Spring 11 - (semi) small release; 8 new releases)
Necrons (Fall 2011 - (semi) big release; 9 new releases initially, though there were another 11 Dark Eldar releases July to October)
GK (Spring 2011 - small release; 6 new releases, as well as BA Furioso and Stormraven shortly before that)
DE (Fall 2010 - (very) big release; 16 new releases initially)
BA (Spring 2010 - small release; 8 new releases)
Nids/SW (Winter 2009/2010 - two small releases; SW 5 new releases (Nov) & Nids 6 new releases (Jan))
IG (Spring 2009 - small release; 8 new releases)
SM (Fall 2008 - big release;10 new releases + AoBR + another helping of Orks Newyear 2009)

I would expect Chaos to be "big" release if even half the current rumours are true. That would place it more towards the end of the year, even if it's power armour.

Yep. I think it's likely to be DA and then Chaos. My point was mostly about Tau though, that seems fairly unlikely, or it would at least be the first time a non MEQ codex has followed a non MEQ codex in 5th edition history.

Edit: If they decide to end/start codex cycles with a MEQ release that is. Otherwise, who knows

DA first though, that's my bet.

**torgoch**

Zweischneid wrote:
I think the pattern is less about MEQ/non-MEQ, but about the quantity of plastic kits released in a given time window.

This information may be out of date, but as at two years ago the studio was given a set number of sprues they could release wthin a given year. These had to be allocated across the army releases.

Probably still works similarly.

**Zweischneid**

torgoch wrote:
Zweischneid wrote:
I think the pattern is less about MEQ/non-MEQ, but about the quantity of plastic kits released in a given time window.

This information may be out of date, but as at two years ago the studio was given a set number of sprues they could release wthin a given year. These had to be allocated across the army releases.

Probably still works similarly.

Possible. Though if there is a limit, it probably runs across all lines, Fantasy, Dreadfleet, LoTR, etc.. . Also, some things might be delayed before being released, etc.. . So it's hard to guess from the outside.

Either way, MEQ (or Loyalist Marines) tend to be "roughly" every other release simply because they take up very little space in the pipeline. The last three years, they've been usually two, sometimes three plastic kits and a few metal (later FC) characters. They can be "squeezed in" while larger things are being worked in fairly easily. Compare that to the larger drops like DE, which had about 30 unique new products released over the course of about a year, more than 5th Edition Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Grey Knights taken together, it seems evident that they wouldn't want to do some of the "big ones" back to back if they can help it.

**Kepora**

Zweischneid wrote:
Kepora wrote:

Termie blob (mix of LC and TH/SS) with Emperor's champions and either a termie chaplain or a marshall attached (I forget which is was). Holy crap it was a hard list to face.

Zweischneid wrote:
Notod wrote:

Ah yes a competitive build based around the exact opposite of what Templars should be doing if im correct (gunline list), but as i stated this is not the time or place for this debate,

By that logic, Space Wolves need a new Codex even more desperately..

See the above statement, just substitute termies with Wolf Guard (PA or Termie) and Emeperor's Champion/Marshall with Logan/Ragnar. Fething hard-hitting squad that's mean when slingshotted out of a LR Crusader. Buddy runs that, people don't expect that build so it throws 'em for a loop.

Sorry. But Mega-Deathstars from a LR tends to fizzle against all but the greenst of newbs. It's easy to see, easy to counter, terribly hard to pull its weight as a point-sink. With added characters and all the jingles, it'll hardly ever make its point backs even if it hits. It's a fun add-on for oversized games with points to spare. Largly because it is "overkill" and not delivering the punch point-efficiently in a way that, say, Genestealers can. It's not gonna win you serious games.

It perhaps should be. It's an iconic "Space Marine attack". But it just doesn't deliver victory on the table. And if it does, it does so by ignoring the evident "strengths" of the Wolf Codex (the reduced necessity to be on the charge, their relative superiority in multi-targeting thanks to split-fire, etc.., without giving away combat-squad kill-points, etc..), not by using them. If you make a list work, that goes against the grain of the list... good for you. Shows your quality as a player. Doesn't mean the Codex is working as intended (presuming someone intended it to synch with the fluff):

...hah? Have you ever faced this kind of build before? You can't just 'avoid' stuff like that; it's a direct and dire threat that HAS to be dealt with, otherwise it runs around on your side of the field and kills ANYTHING it gets close to-not to mention the fact the SCs can split off for multiple assaults. It's also hard as hell to kill!

**English Assassin**

Wyrmalla wrote:^^ As of the latest piece of fluff in the history of 40k Ahriman's leading a small coven of Thousand Sons sorcerors in his search for the Black Library. He eventually found a part of it to my recollection and is off plotting. This happened near the end of the current established timeline, so I don't see him going off on another tangent. Yes his personel coven was apparently destroyed in the Daemonfuge comic when he lost his ship, but that occurs before the 13th Black Crusade presumably. =/

I would be most surprised if the events of Daemonifuge (and, for that matter, Atlas Infernal) were not either ignored or handwaved. A route down which I would, however, be pleased to see the studio go, would be that of different iterations of the same characters (as, for instance, Warmachine does, and as has technically been done with Huron Blackheart), meaning one could have, say, pre- and post-Skallathrax iterations of Kharn, thus making everybody happy.

While we're wishlisting, I'd also be very pleased to see the option of non-Thousand Sons Tzeentch-worshipping Marines (better still, pre-Rubric Thousand Sons), with the Lost and the Damned-era accoutrements of fungal-themed mutations, and cultists, mutants and beastmen as cannon-fodder.

**Cyrax**

DrLove42 wrote:OK so I went to a comp last weekend (yesterday in fact ).

At this I had a chat with a guy who until recently used to be a GW manager. He talked with me a bit about upcoming stuff.

Now I know this seems like the least credible source in history (better than my brothers friends sister works at a printing company though) but other people from the club he'd come from say hes usually been right about his rumours;

May
Next wave Necrons. Also a suprise wave of fliers (the DE Voidraven, Necron Fliers, an Ork Fightabomba and a aircraft for regular marines. Maybe stuff for other races wasn't sure)at the end of the month, with rules in WD

DA
Next Book.- Preorder at end of may for beginning on June release

6th Ed
End of June.

6th Ed starter box
Will not be released in the traditional pre-UK games day slot, and will likely be earlier (when he didn't say)
Chaos vs DA. DA includes 5 Ravenwing, 5 Deathwing, some Tac Marines and a Deathwing Commander.
Chaos includes some chosen, a sorceror and a boatload of cultists (He did say he didn't see a Dread - which is against every other rumour thus far I think - But he did admit only seeing some of the sprues- Sorceror also opens up possibilites of those plastic Plaguebearers we've heard about before)

Chaos
Will be before the box set, supposedly preorders up at the end of July.

Tau
November.

He claimed GW are trying to release 3 codexes and the main rule book this year, in addition to another fantasy book and the hobbit stuff, so releases may seem more closely packed than we're used to

As I said, credibiltiy seems laughable, but I believed him. Maybe that makes me an idiot. We'll just to wait and see.....

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=21516