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Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if they removed Daemons from the Codex.

No Daemons and no Daemonic Gifts would complete the de-Chaosification that started with the current 'Chaos' Codex. It would be well and truly Jervised.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if they removed Daemons from the Codex.

No Daemons and no Daemonic Gifts would complete the de-Chaosification that started with the current 'Chaos' Codex. It would be well and truly Jervised.

I'm not up to speed on the current popular views about the state of C:CSM. So are you implying that it's a good thing to 'de-Chaosify' the next traitor/chaos Space marine codex?

You're right. You really aren't up tp speed, otherwise you'd know my views on that so-called 'Chaos' Codex.

The fact that you can do better counts-as Legion armies using the various Marine Codices speaks volumes about how bland and boring the current 'Chaos' Codex.

H.B.M.C. wrote:You're right. You really aren't up tp speed, otherwise you'd know my views on that so-called 'Chaos' Codex.

The fact that you can do better counts-as Legion armies using the various Marine Codices speaks volumes about how bland and boring the current 'Chaos' Codex.

Ok, I mean I was pretty sure I got the meaning of your post but just wanted to make sure. Thanks.

If taking demons totally out gives more space for the actual Traitor Legions and their cults and so forth, then I am totally for their removal. I mean, there is an entire Codex for Chaos Demons right? What do they need space in C:CSM for?

SickSix wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:You're right. You really aren't up tp speed, otherwise you'd know my views on that so-called 'Chaos' Codex.

The fact that you can do better counts-as Legion armies using the various Marine Codices speaks volumes about how bland and boring the current 'Chaos' Codex.

Ok, I mean I was pretty sure I got the meaning of your post but just wanted to make sure. Thanks.

If taking demons totally out gives more space for the actual Traitor Legions and their cults and so forth, then I am totally for their removal. I mean, there is an entire Codex for Chaos Demons right? What do they need space in C:CSM for?

It'd be like removing flamers from the sisters of battle. Daemons are an integral part of chaos!

Daemons were an integral part of my Word Bearer army. No my Word Bearers are naught but a paint job, and to play my Daemons I have to use a different army.

That's not progress.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

SickSix wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:You're right. You really aren't up tp speed, otherwise you'd know my views on that so-called 'Chaos' Codex.

The fact that you can do better counts-as Legion armies using the various Marine Codices speaks volumes about how bland and boring the current 'Chaos' Codex.

Ok, I mean I was pretty sure I got the meaning of your post but just wanted to make sure. Thanks.

If taking demons totally out gives more space for the actual Traitor Legions and their cults and so forth, then I am totally for their removal. I mean, there is an entire Codex for Chaos Demons right? What do they need space in C:CSM for?

It'd be like removing flamers from the sisters of battle. Daemons are an integral part of chaos!

agreed, like the good old days when bloodletters at +2 strength power weapons....how i miss codex chaos 3.5

logg_frogg wrote:I really really think that if they want to break it out into legions they should do exactly what they did with regular marines.

Make a core codex for the cults and *vanilla* (black legion)CSM's and then make a seperate codex for word beareres, iron warriors etc.

It would be a lot of fun .

What would be fun about extending the entire update cycle by 5 years?

timetowaste85 wrote:If they want to put a character from the Horus Heresy in, who wants to put money down against Little Horus? I got $5 on LH, if anyone from the heresy makes it in.

Pretty sure he's going to eat it towards the end of the HH books. He'll make a "heroric" turn-against-Abaddon or some other named dude that's about to kill Loken and sacrifice himself.

He's the guilt-ridden, angst character of the 40k universe.

The red corsairs would have been fun. I keep thinking that i will make an army for them. But right now its just a dream. And personally, The lack of named daemons doesn't phase me to much. It would be cool, But knowing GW they would screw it up some where and make them impossible to use to any effect. What i am worried about is having to play death guard if i want plague marines. In the current codex plague marines can be used in any army, I hope it goes back to 3ed, Where if i have an HQ with the same mark they become troops. 3ed Death guard had to many restrictions that i didn't want to have anything to do with.

I just hope the new book doesn't come in so under powered that its a waste of codex space. Biggest fear... Getting a new unplayable codex. IE tyranids 5ed.

kronk wrote:Pretty sure he's going to eat it towards the end of the HH books. He'll make a "heroric" turn-against-Abaddon or some other named dude that's about to kill Loken and sacrifice himself.

He'll be the guy who turned off the shields to let the Emperor on board, and die soon after (not not soon enough, as the Emp obviously has time to get on board!).

So the original 9 are as follows correct?

Emperor's Children
Iron Warriors
Night Lords
World Eaters
Death Guard
Thousand Sons
Black Legion
Word Bearers
Alpha Legion


Any news on if the Iron Warriors are getting any special siege rules like they used to have? Or the IW being different at all?

My poor IW have been shelfed in hatred for the new codex.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

kronk wrote:Pretty sure he's going to eat it towards the end of the HH books. He'll make a "heroric" turn-against-Abaddon or some other named dude that's about to kill Loken and sacrifice himself.

He'll be the guy who turned off the shields to let the Emperor on board, and die soon after (not not soon enough, as the Emp obviously has time to get on board!).

What?!?

That's the Alpha Legion's job!

Red Corsairs are not being given the cold shoulder, they already exist in Codex Chaos Space Marines.

Codex Chaos Legions is (or so I have been told) in addition to and not a replacement for Codex Chaos Space Marines.

It is a whole new Codex, seperate from Chaos Space Marines in the same way that Grey Knights are seperate from Space Marines.

Therefore, if you still want to run a Red Cosrsirs or Black Legion (Black Legion are considered renegades rather than an original Legion) army with Daemons you would use Codex CSM, but if you wanted to field a more elite Legion Force you would use Codex Legions.

Almost all of the entries in Codex Chaos Space marines are renegades or outcasts from their original Legions, and that Codex was originally intended to only ever be a Renegades Codex, but unfortunately when it came to the colour painting and gallery inserts only pictures of Chaos Space Marines were available, and so the Codex was relabelled Chaos Space Marines.

The Legions Codex is a completely seperate book and soesn't replace Chaos Space Marines, which will now be considered as the Renegade Codex.

CalgarsPimpHand wrote:

Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
Daemon's would be out of the book entirely, and there would be allies rules with the new daemons dex in a limited capacity with certain choices on a 0-1 basis based on character or legion choices.

I'll believe that when I see it. GW has systematically been removing any and all "allies" options for years now. On the other hand, the Daemon codex isn't exactly a hot seller. I could see them bringing allies back out of greed if nothing else.

It does seem unlikely. If they want to grant access to certain daemons, they'd probably just put them in the CSM codex. There are some rumors floating around about Daemons in 2013, as part of another dual 40K/WFB release. So I guess anything's possible. *shrug*

Regarding "Jervisification," it's probably more accurate to call it "Alessification." I give you Codex: Chaos Daemons as proof. That thing makes the current CSM codex look like Chambers' 3rd ed Tyranid book.


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StraightSilver wrote:Codex Chaos Legions is (or so I have been told) in addition to and not a replacement for Codex Chaos Space Marines.

It is a whole new Codex, seperate from Chaos Space Marines in the same way that Grey Knights are seperate from Space Marines.

That was ghost21's original rumor, but rumors recently seemed to be heading the way of it being a replacement. Interesting.

It doesn't really make sense to put those 9 legions in one book as they are all vastly different.

I could see the Books being split if it were the main four God following legions and the Wordbearers, in an 'Unholy' Dex. With the rest being put into a Renegade and Traitors Codex.

I guess time will tell. I'm doubtful of it as i'm sure older rumours went against this two books idea towards the end. Whatever happens, I'm looking forward to new kits and rules regardless of what they are.

Silver is your informant of this info reliable? Or is he a Shop manager with a intresting opinon? Not being rude just wondering. If true thats a good thing.

FWIW, I had heard (from someone and not the rumor mill) a while back that the original plan was for the existing CSM book to cover renegades, with a Legions book to come. But then the plan changed. So that kinda jibes with StraightSilver's info. Guess we'll see.

My sources are not store managers, but I can't be more specific than that as they all still work for the company.

They aren't always right, or my interpretation isn't, and timings change, but I have spoken to them at length regarding this Codex, as well as Gav Thorpe and Alessio Cavatore who wrote Codex CSM and their opinions all seem to agree in one form or another.

It is only rumour though, so I guess nobody really knows for sure.

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me if the new CSM book isnt a replacement for the 4th edition book.. Keeping a book around that old and that boring just would be extremely strange

That's like the new Grey Knight book NOT being a replacement for the Demon Hunters book.. as if you were still supposed to use the 3rd ed book for inquisitors since any new CSM book will contain MANY of the exact same units

Hey I was wondering whether Mr Kelly will be writing the book as he's been very quiet as of late, just my speculation but what do you guys think?

kronk wrote:

timetowaste85 wrote:If they want to put a character from the Horus Heresy in, who wants to put money down against Little Horus? I got $5 on LH, if anyone from the heresy makes it in.

Pretty sure he's going to eat it towards the end of the HH books. He'll make a "heroric" turn-against-Abaddon or some other named dude that's about to kill Loken and sacrifice himself.

He's the guilt-ridden, angst character of the 40k universe.

Maybe so, but no other new Heresy characters make much sense: Loken fights for the Emperor, Lucius, Kharne and Typhus are all in the Heresy, but already have rules...I suppose one of the other Emperor's Children captains could make it in, but it wouldn't be a proper fit. Only Little Horus makes any sense, at the moment. And I wouldn't count on him making a heroic turn against Abaddon-he's already responsible for one brother's death. If anything, the news of Loken being alive will make him snap and go nuts. Maybe turn to spawn-hood as his mind unravels?

Apparently chaos is begin to grow under the fine penmanship of Matthew Ward.

So we going to get change grenades, rot grenades, blood grenades , and lust grenades then as well as bloodsword of bloodness. He really has made it too easy.

Lustful Sword of Penetrating is the new Slaanesh demon weapon

Alpharius wrote:What?!?

That's the Alpha Legion's job!

Faceless quasi-traitors turn off some shields to help some prophecy come to pass.

-OR-

Bad guy see's the error of his ways, turns against his commander, tries to help the Emperor, has to fight a close friend to do it, and pays the ultimate sacrifice.

Which makes for a better story?

The first one!

Medium of Death wrote:Apparently chaos is begin to grow under the fine penmanship of Matthew Ward.

Don't even joke about that gak.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:Apparently chaos is begin to grow under the fine penmanship of Matthew Ward.

Don't even joke about that gak.

As terrifying as it sounds...he might be right.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Alpharius wrote:What?!?

That's the Alpha Legion's job!

Faceless quasi-traitors turn off some shields to help some prophecy come to pass.

-OR-

Bad guy see's the error of his ways, turns against his commander, tries to help the Emperor, has to fight a close friend to do it, and pays the ultimate sacrifice.

Which makes for a better story?

Do I have to answer that?

Kanluwen wrote:The first one!

Apparently I don't!