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GW managers are required to go to training at head office every so often to ensure they are selling items in the correct manner.

This may have included 6th, But more how to sell the book/boxed game not have a read and a test play of the rules.

Chances are they aint seen the book but know how to sell it.

Well regarding that my local GW didn't know how HIS chaos marine landraider had 10 space for people to transports I doubt it but then again it could be just because he's quite terrible.

It's also a few weeks before the annual price "adjustment". In other industries, a major change in both stock availability as well as price warrants a pow-wow between mid-to-low level management.

*IF* 6th edition is coming out in July, (and it's almost a sure thing imho), then the Managers/stores will likely recieve the pocket rulebook come early June.

At least, that's what happened a couple years ago when 8th edition Fantasy was coming out. We got a mini rulebook and we got to play after hours with the new rules to ensure we were familiar enough to start running intros once we got the word from HQ to do so.

HOWEVER!

Saying that, we also got a brand spanking new DNR to sign that quite specifically & clearly pointed out that if we were even suspected of leaking anything regarding the new rules before the reveal date, we would be instantly fired!!! No questions asked, just out the door.
So sure, alot of our regulars figured out we had a new rulebook stashed somewhere in the store and that we had become familiar with the new rules, but we weren't ever going to talk because we'd have rather kept our jobs! I outright told a couple customers who wouldnt take a hint to just 'drop it' and don't ask any more because I wouldn't risk my job for the likes of them!

Keep in mind, the Fantasy release was a cluster as there were a high number of store employies who got themselves fired by talking about the new rules ahead of time... Hell, one idiot manager actually had the brains to read aloud from the new pocket rulebook while a customer was on the phone with mailorder!

So, while the last rules release went like this, GW might have also decided to change things up because the store staff can not be trusted.

So far as rumors go we've seen a lot lately stating that actual 6th edition is nothing like the pancake leak. Given the divergence from the playtest that almost everyone saw, perhaps there is some merit to this idea that certain folks have gotten run throughs of the game.

In any case, I'm really hoping that the release is in early July as speculated, so that means i've only got about 6 more weeks of 5th edition to deal with (plus the Feast of Blades tourney).

sharkticon wrote: Now, all we need to know is which manager has the loosest lips, and how fast can we get him a bottle of fine whiskey.

Lol, nice...

Therion wrote:

With GW sometimes this is hard to believe.
"You play foot guard, surely you need to add a Chimera for your commissar."

M.

The manager of GW Helsinki in Finland who also travels to GW Stockholm in Sweden all the time knows absolutely nothing and I'm sure of it. As a matter of fact I couldn't agree more with you about the fact that GW employees generally don't even know the rules of their games all that well, not to mention what people actually should buy in order to make competitive or even playable armies. As far as rumours go, all they've done for quite some time now is try to explain how cool it is that noone has absolutely no idea what is coming up and what's getting released. The manager keeps telling everyone he doesn't want to know what's coming and always says that 'once' when he had heard about upcoming models his excitement had already died down when the models eventually got released. I'm not kidding, a week ago when I was discussing the releases for this summer I got a sales pitch about how buying random models all the time is fun and that armies should be built when in a heat -- So basically I shouldn't think at all what I'm buying or wait for any units or armies that I actually want, need or like, I should just buy buy buy right now. That's the GW sales method.

Going OT here but just for a laugh i joked about getting a LemanRuss demolisher on a tab and the manager said sure but it would cost a pound of flesh(he was jokeing to fourtunatley). as it is ill try to get some info from him as to this 6th ed training.

Wait, a thread that is based specifically of knowledge from a GW Manager? Those are always good.

Move to 40k discussion?

pretre wrote:Wait, a thread that is based specifically of knowledge from a GW Manager? Those are always good.

Move to 40k discussion?

But, it's a rumor.

I am sure the managers would love to leak the info and risk losing their jobs.

Yeah, it may be a rumor, but it is unlikely to be a true one. In almost every case the 'GW manager told me...' threads turn out to be BS.

Hmm, should I move sharkticon to the Rumor Monger thread?

This is the part where we need an enterprising GW manager with love for Dakka to make a fake account from a public computer and leak the most generic, non specific 6th ed rumors there are (attacks and saves are made with DICE!) etc. Then we'll know the rumor is true!


Honestly having people other than myself included in a special training session doesn't help me much. Looking forward to 7/7/12 as a release date makes it easier though. How about simply solid confirmation for *that* date?

I don't know which is more jackass.

The rumor, or the companies draconian lengths of over the top "security". Only thing missing here is Ward, stroking his cat, and spouting off his evil plan before a helpess GW employee tied up in bondage gear with a ball gag on.

crying out loud, its a game. Why be so "Ohhhh.... its secret. We could show you, but we'd have to kill you" over a miniatures game?


6th edition is probibly more or less going to be crap with this much paranoia. ( they are more interested in keeping customers and players in the dark, then to actually sell games.)

Thanks GW, may I have another

pretre wrote:Hmm, should I move sharkticon to the Rumor Monger thread?

I think you know the answer to that one.

Of course!

EDIT: You should put a link to it in your sig. Might help drive data gathering.

I'd love to get some good info on 40K 6th - we all know it is coming, but for some reason, GW can't even hint at its existence, never mind share something, build up some excitement, market it...

The only thing I can say for sure is that this thread's bound for 40K General real soon...

I added sharticon to the thread and updated my sig. Good idea, htj!

(Although I turn off sigs when browsing, so I had to turn them on to see what it looked like. lol)

pretre wrote:Yeah, it may be a rumor, but it is unlikely to be a true one. In almost every case the 'GW manager told me...' threads turn out to be BS.

Hmm, should I move sharkticon to the Rumor Monger thread?

What if sharkticon is already a rumor monger? *shifty eyes*

unmercifulconker wrote:

pretre wrote:Wait, a thread that is based specifically of knowledge from a GW Manager? Those are always good.

Move to 40k discussion?

But, it's a rumor.

I am sure the managers would love to leak the info and risk losing their jobs.

It would be incredibly simple to post here anonymously.

Lepuke wrote:I call BS on this, its way to early for anyone in retail to be learning 6th edition rules, give it 4 or 5 weeks then maybe.
I also doubt very much training will be required past a read through the rule book and some GW issue store cheat sheets.

Actually they would bring them down and show them the new system, just like they did with the new paints, during that last managers meeting that had them paint up models and do a Q & A with it, apparently took the entire day. They did it when I worked for the company when War of Ring came out, we had to stay late and learn it weeks before had.

That and we are due for a new codex/release in June/July, the managers got the heads up the paints a month an a half ahead of time, so it is totally viable that they got to play some 6th ed games.

For those who don't think ahead:

GW can't let the general public know when an edition change is going to happen.

If they posted on their site "Hey, 6th Edition is coming in July!"

Then sales of certain items would dry up. Why? Well, because managers trying to actually be helpful would inform customers to just wait a month or two to get their hands on the new rules. Incidentally, this is also why they are going to tell those same managers jack and sh*t until the release window is really close.

This would lead to boxes of the starter set AND core rule books to start gathering dust on the shelves.

Quite frankly, if you want to know when GW is about to release an update just watch the main website and stock levels in your local store. When you see that they no longer have the starter set and/or BRB for sale then you know it's less than 30 days.

GW has been consistent with this strategy for quite some time. We saw boxes and rule books from the Necron, DE and other lines go out of production within weeks of the new releases being available.

In short GW wants to move product, and anything sitting in their warehouse or in their stores must be gone before then turn the spigot on for the replacement. Otherwise they will end up with a lot of stuff to simply throw away.

Sorry clively, but thats just bad business. They are more likely to tick folks off. Imagine Mother A's reaction when the lovely set she brought her son three weeks before is no longer any good.

GW are pretty much the only hobby related company that does this with their new editions. Everyone else has announced them months before, and then spent time building up anticipation to the release. With such a small market to play with, you need to be screaming out to make sure everyone is listening.

Hell look at Zombicide and Kickstarter, that company just raked in a ton of money and none of us are even getting any product for around another three to four months.

GW are just plain wrong in this, and in general their sliding sales and closing stores are sadly proof of this. If they honestly can't take the loss of a number of the old 40K sets, when they will be getting a cash injection from a new edition release then they have bigger problems than they are letting on.
Hell, they should just rip out the old plastics and sell them loose on their site till its clear. Recycle the old books and be done with it.

clively wrote:For those who don't think ahead:
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Careful there Clive...

Anyway, there are two sides to that particular argument, and quite frankly, GW sucks at marketing their own product.

pretre wrote:I added sharticon to the thread and updated my sig. Good idea, htj!

(Although I turn off sigs when browsing, so I had to turn them on to see what it looked like. lol)

That accuracy list is pretty cool. I always wondered if someone was keeping tabs on everything. Thanks.

@reps0l: No prob.

@MDS

People over the legal driving age aren't the key demographic for GW. I think there is sometimes some confusion on this. GW is out to sell all the start stuff together to as many people as possible. Why? Because they can reasonably expect that with the attention span kids have there won't be another purchase.

Let's put it this way, when I worked there 8 years ago the goal was to sell 5 starters per employee per week (generally 4-5 employees per store). That equated to 25ish starters you'd be tryig to push. Want to know the average number of that 25 that ever came back in the store even with all the programs to help them along with getting started? Less than 10% (1-2 people), 20% during the holidays. That's why GW is set up the way it is and why they don't reveal when things are coming out. The consistant purchasers would hold off on things (reasonably so) and it would heavily impact the 90% of their sales that are one offs.

Hulksmash is right, a new recruit will likely spend over $1000 in the first year where as vets are likely to spend $300.

Do you think they'll sell the old edition starter sets at a discount once the new edition comes out? Or they just up and disappear one day likely to be thrown out at HQ?

Want to get the models but don't want to pay full price for them since I'll never actually play with them. Only paint.

Pacific wrote:An interesting hypothesis, but with a couple of flaws:
- I learned 5th edition in half a game and about 30 minutes. If this was some radical new system with the depths of Infinity I could understand this, but we all know it won't be. The same could be accomplished by giving them the book to take home a couple of days before launch.
- A lot of GW managers are yes-men/sycophants, and indeed I believe one of the requirements these days for the job is that you can roll your eyes up into your head so only the whites are visible, but some are just pretending to be like this to keep their jobs. We would have had a leak by now.

Considering how many people in my area would accidental combine 5th ed and 4th ed together in my area? Some people have a hard time completely forgetting the old rules to relearn the new edition.

Still seems odd all the same.

Nvs wrote:Do you think they'll sell the old edition starter sets at a discount once the new edition comes out?

No. But you never know, we could be lucky this time.

Therion wrote: Sweden all the time knows absolutely nothing and I'm sure of it. As a matter of fact I couldn't agree more with you about the fact that GW employees generally don't even know the rules of their games all that well, not to mention what people actually should buy in order to make competitive or even playable armies. As far as rumours go, all they've done for quite some time now is try to explain how cool it is that noone has absolutely no idea what is coming up and what's getting released. The manager keeps telling everyone he doesn't want to know what's coming and always says that 'once' when he had heard about upcoming models his excitement had already died down when the models eventually got released. I'm not kidding, a week ago when I was discussing the releases for this summer I got a sales pitch about how buying random models all the time is fun and that armies should be built when in a heat -- So basically I shouldn't think at all what I'm buying or wait for any units or armies that I actually want, need or like, I should just buy buy buy right now. That's the GW sales method.

The GW Helsinki guy also constantly and consistently makes crap up to make internet forums look like a bunch of losers, exaggerating the amount of BS and uncertainty. He's pretty much a complete douchebag.

htj wrote:

Nvs wrote:Do you think they'll sell the old edition starter sets at a discount once the new edition comes out?

No. But you never know, we could be lucky this time.

I was at the GW Montreal store at the time of 5th ed release. The old starter sets were knocked down in price, and were doing another specail offer. If you brought your 4th ed rule book to show them, you got a discount on the 5th ed book.