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Omegus wrote:Probably Ward.

He wrote 5th, so wouldnt be surprised since he is the lead writer.

Gav thrope a few years back gave everyone some insight on GWs process, a rulebook takes about 6 months from start to printer, a codex takes 3 months and rules are dictated by models which start upwards of 2 years before release.

Ravenous D wrote:

Omegus wrote:Probably Ward.

He wrote 5th, so wouldnt be surprised since he is the lead writer.

Umm, the 5th Edition rulebook disagrees:

Main Rulebook, P304 wrote:Written by: Alessio Cavatore (main rules), Mat Ward, Andy Hoare, Graham Davey, Phil Kelly, Gav Thorpe, Adam Troke, Robin Cruddace, Jervis Johnson, Jeremy Vetock.

pretre wrote:

Ravenous D wrote:

Omegus wrote:Probably Ward.

He wrote 5th, so wouldnt be surprised since he is the lead writer.

Umm, the 5th Edition rulebook disagrees:

Main Rulebook, P304 wrote:Written by: Alessio Cavatore (main rules), Mat Ward, Andy Hoare, Graham Davey, Phil Kelly, Gav Thorpe, Adam Troke, Robin Cruddace, Jervis Johnson, Jeremy Vetock.

Madness and hearsay, its clearly all Mat Wards doing.

My mistake, I could have sworn up and down his name was right in the front cover.

Ravenous D wrote:Madness and hearsay, its clearly all Mat Wards doing.

My mistake, I could have sworn up and down his name was right in the front cover.

As with most complaints about Ward, it is based on an incomplete picture of the facts.

It's okay though, we still like you Rav D.

"GW managers have been trained in 6th edition 40k"

No, they haven't.

The notion that the core rules would be affected by one person, even if he is OMGEVUL, is laughable. Every single individual rule will have the input and discussion of dozens of people behind it.
It's also pretty common knowledge that Ward co-wrote core 5th rules. He also wrote the Necron codex, which, afaik, is regarded as pretty fair and balanced gameplay wise.

kronk wrote:"GW managers have been trained in 6th edition 40k"

No, they haven't.

Oh well, should have just asked kronk a couple pages ago.

pretre wrote:

kronk wrote:"GW managers have been trained in 6th edition 40k"

No, they haven't.

Oh well, should have just asked kronk a couple pages ago.

When in doubt, ask Kronk. He'll set you straight. Whata guy, that Kronk!

All this talk about GW stinking at marketing may be true. But their stock (stock market, not warehouse stock )is doing quite well if you look back at the last 12 months... and its paid 9% dividends. It also saw large amounts of trade volume towards the end of the year and people are generally holding on to their growing stock now (all good things from a company point of view). Clearly business people/investors seem to think GAW is doing things right. Maybe we're too close to see the forest for the trees?

Lobukia wrote:All this talk about GW stinking at marketing may be true. But their stock (stock market, not warehouse stock )is doing quite well if you look back at the last 12 months... and its paid 9% dividends. It also saw large amounts of trade volume towards the end of the year and people are generally holding on to their growing stock now (all good things from a company point of view). Clearly business people/investors seem to think GAW is doing things right. Maybe we're too close to see the forest for the trees?

I think it's more that, despite their marketing methods for upcoming releases, they produce some really nice stuff and have a powerful high-street presence (in the UK at least) and dedicated fanbase that spreads uptake of their games. They're definitely doing something right, but the pre-release marketing isn't it, IMO.

Brand loyalty comes to mind. A GW consumer is usually a consumer for years to come, right?

reps0l wrote:Brand loyalty comes to mind. A GW consumer is usually a consumer for years to come, right?

Despite of all the talks of people quitting the game since I joined Dakka, the same people are still here talking about quitting the game.

d-usa wrote:

reps0l wrote:Brand loyalty comes to mind. A GW consumer is usually a consumer for years to come, right?

Despite of all the talks of people quitting the game since I joined Dakka, the same people are still here talking about quitting the game.

Gamers dont quit, they just fade away.

Ravenous D wrote:

d-usa wrote:

reps0l wrote:Brand loyalty comes to mind. A GW consumer is usually a consumer for years to come, right?

Despite of all the talks of people quitting the game since I joined Dakka, the same people are still here talking about quitting the game.

Gamers dont quit, they just fade away.

And often relapse.

Gamers dont quit, they just fade away.

And often relapse.

That's me... spent $ and time on RT and 2nd edition 40k... time and interests took me other places for most of 3e and almost all of 4e: now I'm in with both feet for 5e and soon 6e 40k.

I spent $$ on RT and 3rd edition.
I've spent bugger-all since.

Maybe $300 (AUD) retail on GW since 4th ed.

I haven't bought anything from GW since last April and don't intend to. 6th ed can wait. I was still playing RT in 1994 (2nd ed came out in 1992) before I stopped playing for 3-4 years.

Honestly I wasn't even aware store managers were trained in 5th edition.. Knowing the rules of any addition would probably be a new thing

Its Matt Ward.. not mat...and its not called 6th edition

Tauzor wrote:Its Matt Ward.. not mat...and its not called 6th edition

yes yes, we know, you mention it alot...but for the sake of discussion and so that everyone is on the same page we will just call it by the code name 6th ed ... you know, till it comes out so we don't all go crazy from trying to figure out whats going on.

unless of course you have a name for us to call it by? perhaps.. rogue trader ultimate? i dunno?

Core rule book is of GW site USA.

Is 40K going to have a new name for the 6th ed rules? What purpose does that serve? Unless it's just some joke that it's Warhammer Fantasy Space Mans Game...in which case, people need to stop trolling the thread.

Miguelsan wrote:"You play foot guard, surely you need to add a Chimera for your commissar."
M.

I know i dont play IG but attaching a transport to a foot regiment seems reasonable IMO.
The manager was propably trying to sell you something usefull not just trying to take your money.
I dont think we should expect them to know all codecies for every army.

Bit of an update kids. GW managers now meet 6 times a year instead of 4. They all shipped out yesterday to memphis, so if they were told about 6th last time Im sure its coming this time.

Skarboy wrote:All of this wastefulness and secrecy can be directly tied to GW's ridiculous policies of: a) rewriting the rules drastically between editions (thus invalidating many models/builds in order to drive others); and b) wildly swinging the power of units between codices (again, to drive sales to underperformers and new kits while devaluing the previously good stuff that has already sold sufficiently well). GW would rather ride the pendulum swings back and forth rather than banking on consistent, steady sales of all units. Why? Because they don't care about the game at all; it's just a mechanism to drive sales of the models. Sadly for them, the days of being a prisoner to their sales are coming to an end with widespread resin casting, 3D printing, and quality third-party manufacturers. GW doesn't support tournaments anymore, so there's official no reason to buy their product unless you want to. You want a dumb move? There's one for you.

You know, I always wondered why their main goal with each new codex wasn't to try to make every unit good in some way. Sure, they would not all be good in the same way, but to make every unit viable in a certain kind of build would help a lot. There are some units that no one really uses because they are just bad. GW could do a lot better by either making the unit better with improved stats or abilities or by lowering the point cost until it become reasonable for the points sunk in on it. I really feel that the game designers do not consider all of this when they write the codicies. They could do a lot better writing good rules for every model they make so we buy more than just a few of them per army.

A lot easier said than done, I know, but I really feel that they just don't think about the meta of the game when they design some of the units. Not everyone is TFG that only uses the "best" units, but if a unit is just bad, or at least not as good as a similar unit, (think Flash Gitz vs Lootas as an example,) even a noob will probably eventually hear/read about it or figure it out on their own and avoid those units.

Just saying. If they are doing this just on a business perspective they'd focus a lot more on having fewer unused models.

lord_blackfang wrote:If store managers were trained in it, we would know everything by now.

Fairly sure they all have to sign NDAs, and in this economy, it's probably not a good idea to risk losing your job just to be the first person to break the story to the forums, lol.

There won't be that big a leak if the only people that know the rules are gw managers. How much you wanna bet they actually enjoy their jobs and don't wanna risk it lol

Wolfnid420 wrote: How much you wanna bet they actually enjoy their jobs and don't wanna risk it lol

You must be talking about a different group than GW managers...

There's a history of GW managers doing stupid crap and getting fired, this wouldn't be the first time.

Besides, this is the internet. If you know what you are doing it is kind of easy to hide your identity.
If all GW managers or employees have access to rules at least one would be willing to and know how to get information to the community unnoticed.
Unless GW is Satan-incarnate and is giving each and every one a bit altered rules so they would know. But that's just silly, right? Right?

@Macok: That's pretty standard practice in this kind of situation.

That's what I believe all the crazy and/or obviously wrong typos in the pancake play test was (if that was the case), so they could tell who leaked it and fire them.