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For those having difficulty visualizing Gork and Mork vs other gods, you need just look at the recent Avengers movie where the Hulk confronts Loki.

I don't think I need to say who is whom in this example. lol.

angelshade00 wrote:
Yes, no offense Greg but I think Gork and Mork could easily stomp the Chaos Gods if they were inclined to.

This is absolutely true. Just as it is equally entirely clear that Orks could easily stomp the galaxy if they were inclined.

But, they're Orks, and they're having quite a good enough time already.

Yeah, why would they want to kill everything, then they have no one to krump

Jayden63 wrote:For those having difficulty visualizing Gork and Mork vs other gods, you need just look at the recent Avengers movie where the Hulk confronts Loki.

I don't think I need to say who is whom in this example. lol.

Runna wrote:

Jayden63 wrote:For those having difficulty visualizing Gork and Mork vs other gods, you need just look at the recent Avengers movie where the Hulk confronts Loki.

I don't think I need to say who is whom in this example. lol.

ummmm loki? Just kidding

mattyrm wrote:I thought that the fluff could easily be described in one sentence right? My interpretation is...

The warp makes emotion/belief take physical form, thus the emperor really is a literal God, thanks to the belief of trillions of humans, all of the chaos Gods exist thanks to the emotions of trillions of humanoids manifesting as the Gods, and Gork and Mork obviously physically exist, thanks to the belief of a staggering number of Orks.

Is that correct? Cos that's how I always presumed it worked. I also guess they got the numbers wrong, because I read a book that said there were 300 billion humans on a hive world?

So surely there are literally trillions of humans, not mere billions?

And if Orks outnumber humans?

Gork and Mork must be the big cheese of the warp!

No sir they make the big cheese of the warp feel small!!!!!!


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I beleive the hulk is actually the son of Gork or Mork cause he is so dang orky!!!!!!!!!!!!

mattyrm wrote:Is that correct? Cos that's how I always presumed it worked.

Almost:
thus the emperor really is a literal God corpse, thanks to the belief of trillions of humans Horus.



Trillions might be low in terms of humans who worship the Emperor's holy corpse.

Runna wrote:

Jayden63 wrote:For those having difficulty visualizing Gork and Mork vs other gods, you need just look at the recent Avengers movie where the Hulk confronts Loki.

I don't think I need to say who is whom in this example. lol.

Gork: *Slaughters his way through Khorne's daemons and tackles Khorne off of the Skull throne* OI! ITZ SMASHIN' TIME!
Khorne: STOP! You are a lowly, insignificant greenskin! You are scum! I am the GOD OF WAR! I will not be bullied by y-*Gork grabs Khorne and starts repeatedly slamming him onto the skull throne.*
Khorne: *looks up dumbfounded and humiliated from within his own crater*
Gork: Punee war god.



Picture related.

Heh, I was looking for that. There's a mock-up of that scene done in black and white, with text placards, like an old-time silent movie, in place of the dialog. It's really good.

hulk smash, er ?I mean Gork smash

Ooh, I like yer unified psyche theory.

I see the diference between Khorn and G/Mork as part of the emotion that feeds them, Khorn isn't war per say, but hatred and rage that some races, especially humans, use to fuel a war. But for orks, violence is the purest expression of enjoyment, for them there is no cause or reason or justification to fight, it needs none. It is the goal, and one easily attainable for orks.
As far as M/Gork in the warp, I liken them to 2 school yard bullies that push the other gods down and kick sand in their face. Never going much farther because then they wouldn't be able to have fun anymore.

Of topic but this reminds me of the story of a Ork warboss who promis his boys the fight of their life and that good fighting is to be found in the eye of terror.

So they break trough the Cadia gate and land on the first planet they find. This planet is red and when they land they find that the entire planet is covered with blood and soon after they landed a bunch of Khorne daemons start to rice from the blood (turns out this is the planet of a Khorne daemon prince). The orks don't think for a second and directly charges the incoming horde of daemons and after a long and bloody fight the final ork is slain.
However the next day the ork find themself alive again and the battle once again rages on, and the next day, and the day after that.
And during all this the words of the warboss can be heard all over the battle field "Oi lads didn't I promise you the fight of our lives!"

Find this kinda "romantic" in a strange way, Orks and Khorne together in perfect harmony ^^

DarbNilbirts wrote:I see the diference between Khorn and G/Mork as part of the emotion that feeds them, Khorn isn't war per say, but hatred and rage that some races, especially humans, use to fuel a war. But for orks, violence is the purest expression of enjoyment, for them there is no cause or reason or justification to fight, it needs none. It is the goal, and one easily attainable for orks.
As far as M/Gork in the warp, I liken them to 2 school yard bullies that push the other gods down and kick sand in their face. Never going much farther because then they wouldn't be able to have fun anymore.

I really like your view, I think it makes perfect sense and I really like it....

salix_fatuus wrote:Of topic but this reminds me of the story of a Ork warboss who promis his boys the fight of their life and that good fighting is to be found in the eye of terror.

So they break trough the Cadia gate and land on the first planet they find. This planet is red and when they land they find that the entire planet is covered with blood and soon after they landed a bunch of Khorne daemons start to rice from the blood (turns out this is the planet of a Khorne daemon prince). The orks don't think for a second and directly charges the incoming horde of daemons and after a long and bloody fight the final ork is slain.
However the next day the ork find themself alive again and the battle once again rages on, and the next day, and the day after that.
And during all this the words of the warboss can be heard all over the battle field "Oi lads didn't I promise you the fight of our lives!"

Find this kinda "romantic" in a strange way, Orks and Khorne together in perfect harmony ^^

I agree to any extent that anything can be 'romantic' to Orks, I think this would be a perfect way to spend eternity for them! Their idea of heaven or nirvana

salix_fatuus wrote:
I agree to any extent that anything can be 'romantic' to Orks, I think this would be a perfect way to spend eternity for them! Their idea of heaven or nirvana

perhaps Valhalla would be a bit more appropriate, but I completly agree that the daemon world is an ork paradise. Also says something about the comparative powers when a good ork whaaag can go into the heart of the deamons power and destroy a whole spread of worlds, not just the daemons there, but the worlds themselves, before finally meeting their matches, and their paradise.

salix_fatuus wrote:Of topic but this reminds me of the story of a Ork warboss who promis his boys the fight of their life and that good fighting is to be found in the eye of terror.

So they break trough the Cadia gate and land on the first planet they find. This planet is red and when they land they find that the entire planet is covered with blood and soon after they landed a bunch of Khorne daemons start to rice from the blood (turns out this is the planet of a Khorne daemon prince). The orks don't think for a second and directly charges the incoming horde of daemons and after a long and bloody fight the final ork is slain.
However the next day the ork find themself alive again and the battle once again rages on, and the next day, and the day after that.
And during all this the words of the warboss can be heard all over the battle field "Oi lads didn't I promise you the fight of our lives!"

Find this kinda "romantic" in a strange way, Orks and Khorne together in perfect harmony ^^

Thing is though, that wasn't the first one they landed on. They smashed COUNTLESS daemon worlds on the way to that one, and were only stopped on that one because they were worn down by the other ones. Not to mention they went to a planet used for hostile enviornment training for the elite cadian IG regiments as a WARM UP before they headed in.

I remember the first time I read that story, I just sat the codex down and remember saying "that could be the most orkiest thing I've ever read"

Without a doubt, Gork and Mork would be the most powerful gods in the immaterium. The orks's faith in their gods is unshakable, add that to their whole "believe it enough and anything works", and I'd honestly be surprised if they WEREN'T the biggest and the toughest.

I mean seriously, these are the guys who's vehicles go faster just because they believe with unshakeable faith that the color red makes them go faster. That kind of devotion any other god would give anything for. Then you've got the fact that they're one of the most populous races with a warp presence, and the fact that they believe 100% they were created for fightan and winnin'. Their gods are the embodiment of this philosophy, and when your entire way of life is "fightan and winnin!", well... you get the idea.

Honestly, if we ever have a "final showdown" type of event, where the emperor faces of against the chaos gods or whatever, I can see there being a big buildup, only to have Gork and Mork bust in at the last second with a hearty "OI! WHO STARTED DA KRUMPIN WITHOUT US?!?!?!?!" before proceeding to unleash the mightiest can of whoopass this universe has ever seen...

Yes! Yes! Yes!
sorry, vague reference many might no get.
In any case, I did enjoy that story and the fluff about the orks alone is the reason I enjoy playing them so much.

"OI! WHO STARTED DA KRUMPIN WITHOUT US?!?!?!?!" aw, good imagery, mork and gork wouldn't even kill 'em, they'd just throw back into their seats so they can keep up the good fightin for the forseeable eternity.

They aren't just real Gods, they're real Bad Ass Gods.

I see the diference between Khorn and G/Mork as part of the emotion that feeds them, Khorn isn't war per say, but hatred and rage that some races, especially humans, use to fuel a war. But for orks, violence is the purest expression of enjoyment, for them there is no cause or reason or justification to fight, it needs none. It is the goal, and one easily attainable for orks.

Its often forgotten that Khorne is also the guard of martial pride and honor, his most dedicated followers seeking out the most worthy of foes to fight and slaughter.
Orks have no such high held morals.

As far as M/Gork in the warp, I liken them to 2 school yard bullies that push the other gods down and kick sand in their face. Never going much farther because then they wouldn't be able to have fun anymore.

Great stuff.

This thread has been so enjoyable.... I love this stuff

DarbNilbirts wrote:As far as M/Gork in the warp, I liken them to 2 school yard bullies that push the other gods down and kick sand in their face. Never going much farther because then they wouldn't be able to have fun anymore.

Truer words have never been typed on the internet!!!!

I'm reminded of the recent Dark Eldar novel by Andy Chambers when they were talking about the Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Exodites and their relation to the warp and their 'gods'. IIRC they referred to it as a 'racial soul' (a term I liked) and it probably can apply the same to the Orks and probably even to the 'Nids. And in that context they're one and the same, with perhaps the only real distinction between a 'god' and the 'soul' being that one is perpetually conscious and aware and the other is not (or at least not consistently. The old 'REalms of Chaos' stuff had a ton of ideas on this that I find interesting and applicable to the warp and warp denizens even today.)

Also, the Ork gods are pretty much about fighting, and it doesn't matter whether people die or not, whilst Khorne is more focused on the aspects pertaining to death, blood, skulls, etc. War is one convenient outlet for that but not the only one. So in a sense they are related but not the same thing.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY ORKS ARE AWESOME

Gork and Mork and the orks are much better then the Imperials as a whole, then why do people think of Waaagh fluff of killing 40 Imperial worlds and a whole bunch of space marine fluff is over the top?

Orks can do whatever they want they why do peopel complain about my fluff?

Seriously if you're against it, chances are you're not a true warhammer fan or an imperial fanboy

Cause the waaaagh would have been stoped by then, I mean you barley ever read about 2 Chapters being in the same place at the same time. Not to mention that, even I an ork player, wouldnt beleive that. Just too unrealistic, orks are awesome but not unfallible. To play orks is to play an army that loses usualy more times than you win. Same in the fluff the orks there lose way more than they win.

The fact that almost all Orks believe they exists means they exist, the fact that almost all Orks believe that they are the most powerful gods means that they are the most powerful gods.

Just like their technology, if they believe in it strongly enough it happens or it is..