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AustonT wrote:Und yet i see no pictures of these alleged minis in your gallery...

This has to be the most stupid post I've read on any of my threads. So you are implying... that because I haven’t taken the time out of my day to take good pictures of my army and show it off on some forum... then it must not exist and I'm just making this whole thing up? HAHA I can't tell if you are joking or not.

Eiríkr wrote:Damn.

My entire plog is based on your work, Laughing God. Thanks for inventing pre heresy Emperor's Children. Keep up the good work. But since you already painted up pre heresy EC, I guess I'll just melt mine down.

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Grow up. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. How old are you? Talk to the kid, get to know him. He's probably sweating his balls off just to be a little like you and would love the chance to talk with you.
EDIT: I see that you are a US Marine... Wow, dude. Just wow...

O look another astute dakka poster who can read! I already said I didn't invent the scheme, but he hadn't thought of it either till he saw mine. I've seen several guys walk into shops with models the same color as mine and didn't care. You are one of those people who made a bigger deal of it than I did. lol make it sound like I punched the kid in the face all I did was post about it to see other peoples thought at the situation long after I got over the annoyance. Btw I'm a 23 year old NCO in the United States Marine Corps, idk how old the kid was like 16 or something. How old are you, what do you do since you want to play that game? Doesn't really matter since it seems nobody taught you how to read properly or articulate your opinion without being unnecessarily insulting.

azazel the cat wrote:I get very angry whenever I see someone copy my Necron paint scheme, because I took the time to copy the paint scheme from the GW website, and so now I own the rights to that colour scheme.

You didn't read or understand what I posted either. That is a terrible comparison.

IcedAnimals wrote:This kid must have the best eye for detail and paint and be able to refer to his photographic memory if he was capable of seeing your models once and then know exactly which base,paints and washes you used on your models to be able to mimic your "unique" army.

I use a pre heresy emperors children scheme as well. It isn't uncommon. But if he was truly able to see your models once and then come in with a matching paint scheme there are two possibilities I can think of.
One, your paint scheme isn't nearly as unique as you think. Two, his paint scheme outside of being purple and gold has little to nothing to do with your own scheme.

You are arguing irrelevant details here. No it was not matching down to the highlights and washes, but he tried his best to repaint his models to match mine. It’s the principle not if they were exact the very finest detail. He tried to though. Not really a big deal, guess I was just annoyed by his general unoriginality in his own design and was curious of someone did this to one of you and your armies.

There are some people on this forum that I swear just read the first post (and not very well) and then just tear into this tirade about what an immature fool the OP is or if you disagree start off on insults. Not sure why… but whatever the internet tends to give people balls and the idea than can just be A-holes. Honestly a lot of you are making a bigger deal about my question than I did about the kid copying me.

If any of you read my last post you would see that I talked to the kid and am helping him out rather than bitching about it. No his design was not identical to mine; he had no idea of highlights or washes, which I’m helping him out with now.
I know I didn’t come up with the scheme… I said that… what bothered me was he had his models painted one way… saw my army and went home and painted them the exact same way. It’s not like he came in with his army that way to begin with or not painted at all. At first it annoyed me but like so many polite normal people posted I got over it fast and just decided to help the kid out was I annoyed at first? Yes was it petty and immature? Yes but it’s not like I cried about it or punched the kid in the face. Just made a quick 5min post on a forum.

I've been on the other side of this.

I like painting. It's the number one reason I'm in this hobby.

When I see something I like, I'll buy a unit and "copy" it to the best of my abilities. I might tweak a color or two but usually it will be hard to tell mine apart from the other guys.

I'll also look in the real world for inspiration. For example I have a unit of harlequins painted up like some of the cirque de soleil costumes.

Take a breath and, as others have pointed out, remember that imitation is the highest form of flattery.

Be nice to the kid and use it as a way of talking shop.

Laughing God, so you make a post, about how you feel upset that some kid thought your army looked so good, that he imitated your scheme, which by your OWN words, is really not original, and your getting hyper defensive when fellow DAKKA members point out how ridiculous your being? Really?! Its preheresy color scheme mate, chill the feth out, you need to learn how to take a compliment from someone. If they guy thought yours looked so good he wanted his to look like it, then take it as a compliment and move the feth on. Remove your tampon

I understand where this is coming from. Just a small thing that can nag at you. Take it as a compliment, the kid sounds new to the game so help him out. I don't know where all this frag is coming from.

yeah i gotta say i'm with laughing god on this one, i think its' very easy to misunderstand the sentiment and implied tone of peoples posts on the internet, simply because it is a faceless and arguably emotionally void medium where literal meaning sometimes becomes too literal. Lets all just relax a min here.

laughing god felt irked, i get that, and reading the peoples posts who think the situation was digressed upon to much also makes a lot of sense. lets not get too aggressive about the whole thing tho, people react in different ways to different things thats all it is.

you know what would be really funny tho...if someone copied my post and only changed a couple of words here nd there (same meanign but different word) looool, i'm laughing about it now but i think i would be irked a bit looool...not to mention i'm sure mods would consider it spam hahaha

Coolyo294 wrote:Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

This.

How do you think GW feels about you taking their idea?

Laughing God wrote:

O look another astute dakka poster who can read! I already said I didn't invent the scheme, but he hadn't thought of it either till he saw mine. I've seen several guys walk into shops with models the same color as mine and didn't care. You are one of those people who made a bigger deal of it than I did. lol make it sound like I punched the kid in the face all I did was post about it to see other peoples thought at the situation long after I got over the annoyance. Btw I'm a 23 year old NCO in the United States Marine Corps, idk how old the kid was like 16 or something. How old are you, what do you do since you want to play that game? Doesn't really matter since it seems nobody taught you how to read properly or articulate your opinion without being unnecessarily insulting.

Sorry. Who is making a mountain out of a molehill? You make a post asking for opinion on your reaction, Dakka users give opinion, you throw it all out of the pram with the toys. Turning on the super-defensive is not a great move for the reply; pretty much reaffrims the OP as some chap whom feels threatened by a younger kid imitating his own plastic men out of, what is most likely, admiration.

May I ask; can we see your unique Emperor's Children? Or perhaps you are a little afraid that some kid might start using the same colour scheme? Bah.

You should only be angry if they look better than yours.

KingCracker wrote:Laughing God, so you make a post, about how you feel upset that some kid thought your army looked so good, that he imitated your scheme, which by your OWN words, is really not original, and your getting hyper defensive when fellow DAKKA members point out how ridiculous your being? Really?! Its preheresy color scheme mate, chill the feth out, you need to learn how to take a compliment from someone. If they guy thought yours looked so good he wanted his to look like it, then take it as a compliment and move the feth on. Remove your tampon

Couldn't agree more. Didn't know I was making that big a deal about it in fact I plan on helping the guy with some more tips this weekend. But obviously you haven't read my past posts either... I have moved WAAAYYYY past this guy and on to the sudden internet machos who need to be insulting to get there point across in some form of ignorant male posturing. Am I being defensive about my OP? No... Read... like we learned when we were little. I already admitted like two posts ago I was wrong to have been annoyed and am actually taking the opposite stance. If someone insults you over a simple question do you not defend yourself if you know you did nothing wrong?

wererat wrote:I understand where this is coming from. Just a small thing that can nag at you. Take it as a compliment, the kid sounds new to the game so help him out. I don't know where all this frag is coming from.

And that I have. A good point that is the opposite of the one I made and yet you made it in an intelligent reasonable polite fashion that I recognize and can understand. You and people like you made a good point and I will see to it that I don't get so defensive about people drawing inspiration from my work.

Eiríkr wrote:

Laughing God wrote:

O look another astute dakka poster who can read! I already said I didn't invent the scheme, but he hadn't thought of it either till he saw mine. I've seen several guys walk into shops with models the same color as mine and didn't care. You are one of those people who made a bigger deal of it than I did. lol make it sound like I punched the kid in the face all I did was post about it to see other peoples thought at the situation long after I got over the annoyance. Btw I'm a 23 year old NCO in the United States Marine Corps, idk how old the kid was like 16 or something. How old are you, what do you do since you want to play that game? Doesn't really matter since it seems nobody taught you how to read properly or articulate your opinion without being unnecessarily insulting.

Sorry. Who is making a mountain out of a molehill? You make a post asking for opinion on your reaction, Dakka users give opinion, you throw it all out of the pram with the toys. Turning on the super-defensive is not a great move for the reply; pretty much reaffrims the OP as some chap whom feels threatened by a younger kid imitating his own plastic men out of, what is most likely, admiration.

May I ask; can we see your unique Emperor's Children? Or perhaps you are a little afraid that some kid might start using the same colour scheme? Bah.

lol and you are just as guilty of the same things you accuse me of, overreacting, insulting opinions, and being defensive, so when you come back with a reasonable, intelligent, and relevant, post instead of crude attempts at demeaning insults for my opinion... I'll dignify you with an equally relevant response. Don’t get me wrong this isn’t because I don’t like the fact that you disagreed with me or because you think my reaction to a teenager getting fresh ideas from my army is wrong… no I agree with you there. It’s because I think the way you try to make your point is rude and ignorant, reaffirming your opinion with insults and sarcasm… how did you put it? Bah

So that’s two people who think that this army of mine doesn’t exist... any other takers? Maybe someone worth proving myself to will post and ask so I can make at least 2 people feel silly for suggesting I just made up this army. lol

Clarifying note for anyone who hasn’t read up to this point yet: lot of the people who have expressed their opinion on here civilly are right and I should not have been annoyed with the teenager for getting ideas for his army from mine. I should not only be flattered but I will help this guy if he actually wants it. Yes I admit my feelings when I saw his models were wrong.

So that’s two people who think that this army of mine doesn’t exist... any other takers

I never said it wasn't real, just that pictures would be nice. Given that you were in a real knot and twist over this, I would quite like to see what paint job the fuss was about. Reasonable enough, no?

lol and you are just as guilty of the same things you accuse me of, overreacting, insulting opinions, and being defensive, so when you come back with a reasonable, intelligent, and relevant, post instead of crude attempts at demeaning insults for my opinion... I'll dignify you with an equally relevant response. Don’t get me wrong this isn’t because I don’t like the fact that you disagreed with me or because you think my reaction to a teenager getting fresh ideas from my army is wrong… no I agree with you there. It’s because I think the way you try to make your point is rude and ignorant, reaffirming your opinion with insults and sarcasm… how did you put it? Bah

Referring back to my original post in this thread. If you find the following to be offensive, demeaning and rude, you need to step back and reassess things a little.

Grow up. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. How old are you? Talk to the kid, get to know him. He's probably sweating his balls off just to be a little like you and would love the chance to talk with you.

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In other news; I am glad to see that you've taken a more rational approach to this and approached the kid with advice in hand. Now, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Two things here

First off its not "your scheme" its gws purple and gold non chais touched marines are pre herrasy EC so no he didnt take YOU SCHEME

Secondly YES i would be annoyed a bit because theres a million paint colors and he went with the exact thing you did but id understand that maybe he wants pre herrasy EC aswell

personally if some one sees my work and is inspired to try something SIMILAR im happy for them and glad my work had that effect on them though i would not want to be copied on something that i ACTUALY DID COME UP WITH example. not pre herrasy marines

if you pride your self on the army you painted thats great everyone should be proud of their models regardless of how great they are but i wouldnt get to upset about him copying your pre herrasy army

Laughing God wrote:

pizzaguardian wrote:Obviously you care to make a post about it . But if you just roll up and tell the kid your paint scheme you will be seen a bit ...

It seems like you are overreacting huuuge time to me.

Since I actually didn't say anything to the kid and the only action I took was post about it on a online forum I would actually say I didn't overact HUGE... did it annoy me? yes did I do anything about it? not really

So my question now is have any of you been in the same situation? have you made your own paint scheme then some one saw it and copied it exactly?

Yes it is based off of the pre-heresy EC but only in the sense that its purple and gold, other than that the details and washes and highlights are my own.

Now all I did was look at the models and tell him they look pretty good, because they did. You guys are saying it wouldn’t bother you or annoy you at all that if you made your own army and paint scheme and someone did the exact same thing after seeing yours without asking you it wouldn’t bother you?

Immitation is the ultimate form of flattery maybe I should be giving him tips instead of bitching about it.

This was my second post on the whole thread, I knew I was wrong before I got back from the meet but wanted to hear other people thoughts and If they would have been annoyed and took what everyone said into consideration and changed my view before you made your first post. I'm sorry about the miss understanding and if I came off as defensive or attacking you I just felt insulted.

Eiríkr wrote:Damn.

My entire plog is based on your work, Laughing God. Thanks for inventing pre heresy Emperor's Children. Keep up the good work. But since you already painted up pre heresy EC, I guess I'll just melt mine down.

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Grow up. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. How old are you? Talk to the kid, get to know him. He's probably sweating his balls off just to be a little like you and would love the chance to talk with you.
EDIT: I see that you are a US Marine... Wow, dude. Just wow...

This... this was your first post and why I felt like you were rude and insulting. You didn't really understand what I was trying to say. I didn't make that big a deal about it besides making a post on a forum and being annoyed. Meanwhile you said I was immature, questioned my age then made the comment about how I was a Marine. I'm sorry I made you feel that way with my OP, but next time let us both read all the previous post and try to see all points of view before being insulting.

Laughing God wrote:

So that’s two people who think that this army of mine doesn’t exist... any other takers? Maybe someone worth proving myself to will post and ask so I can make at least 2 people feel silly for suggesting I just made up this army. lol

I think that when someone comes on Dakka and bitches about someone coping "their" colour scheme they should show it. As Dakka is kind enough to host those images for free you really don't have an excuse. I didn't suggest your army doesn't exist, let me rephrase.

Since this exemplifies your attitude

Maybe someone worth proving myself to will post

I doubt you'll find great support here regardless.

Laughing God wrote:
This has to be the most stupid post I've read on any of my threads.

What an oddly perfect way to describe this thread.

victor.IG wrote:Two things here

First off its not "your scheme" its gws purple and gold non chais touched marines are pre herrasy EC so no he didnt take YOU SCHEME

Secondly YES i would be annoyed a bit because theres a million paint colors and he went with the exact thing you did but id understand that maybe he wants pre herrasy EC aswell

personally if some one sees my work and is inspired to try something SIMILAR im happy for them and glad my work had that effect on them though i would not want to be copied on something that i ACTUALY DID COME UP WITH example. not pre herrasy marines

if you pride your self on the army you painted thats great everyone should be proud of their models regardless of how great they are but i wouldnt get to upset about him copying your pre herrasy army

Try reading the OP's previous posts before saying the same stuff everyone before you has said.

LOL i just sat down opened a thread read it and hit reply big whoops i didnt read two pages of responses first SORRRY

you seem a tad defensive i wasnt bashing you or your reaction to the situation at all simply gave my opinion on the matter even half agreed with you saying yeah it would bug me a bit that with all the colors in the world he went with a scheme someone already had at the store as his main army and still your defensive and insulted by my post amazing.

AustonT wrote:

Laughing God wrote:

So that’s two people who think that this army of mine doesn’t exist... any other takers? Maybe someone worth proving myself to will post and ask so I can make at least 2 people feel silly for suggesting I just made up this army. lol

I think that when someone comes on Dakka and bitches about someone coping "their" colour scheme they should show it. As Dakka is kind enough to host those images for free you really don't have an excuse. I didn't suggest your army doesn't exist, let me rephrase.

Since this exemplifies your attitude

Maybe someone worth proving myself to will post

I doubt you'll find great support here regardless.

lol What does me posting pics of my army have anything to do with my OP or any of my posts since then? Since your so interested yes I will post pictures if I have free time tomorrow. I'm pretty busy right but I'll get around to it ASAP with my Iphone since i don't own a real camera and post the link here. Not sure what you are trying to prove though. I assume you want to see how "origional" the paint scheme is? Pics won't change the fact: The guy had his army painted one way... saw my army (which I was the only one who had them painted as such that I have seen) and then changed his models to that color. Which I am ok with now if you read my previous posts I was annoyed at first but hey anybody can paint there army however they want.


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victor.IG wrote:LOL i just sat down opened a thread read it and hit reply big whoops i didnt read two pages of responses first SORRRY

you seem a tad defensive i wasnt bashing you or your reaction to the situation at all simply gave my opinion on the matter even half agreed with you saying yeah it would bug me a bit that with all the colors in the world he went with a scheme someone already had at the store as his main army and still your defensive and insulted by my post amazing.

Sorry if I came off as defensive. It seemed like a brief none aggressive enough reply to me. Just had one too many people at this point jump down my throat without reading what I posted or didn’t agree with me and didn’t know how to convey their disagreement without being insulting

I'ts cool.
do post pics though pre herrasy EC are among my favorites

Take it as a compliment. It's cool that a younger kid really liked your army and wanted to paint his like yours. You might tell him that it would be better if he picked his own army colors, but I wouldn't make a big deal out of it.

Happy gaming!

This is perfect example of people really not taking the time to understand the situation before posting.

Did Laughing God rip the kid apart and yell at him? No.
Did he make snide remarks, harsh critiques, insulting comments about the other player's models? No.
Did he do anything that deserves harsh responses at all? No.

Knee jerk responses are common, human, and understandable. I would probably be surprised and a little annoyed if someone copied my exact scheme because it's very personal to me. Imitation may the be sincerest form of flattery but it doesn't mean everyone is going to like it or respond to it in the same way.

The fact that Laughing God came onto Dakka, a place where he felt he could get some objective assessment, friendly advice, and perhaps some other people's experiences shows that he didn't want to react harshly and was curious as to whether he should adjust his views and re-think his immediate reaction. The fact that he did this, rather than take matters into his own hands immediately, shows a great deal more maturity than what I can see in the rest of the posters in this thread.

To be fair, there have been a couple of mature responses to his initial post but, quite frankly, most of the responses are unnecessarily puerile, angry, and downright insulting for really no reason at all. Honestly, judging by the responses alone (if I hadn't read his original post) I would have assumed Laughing God had bitched the kid out, smashed his models, and sent him home crying.

Is this seriously what you guys expect when you log on to Dakka? Especially when someone comes asking for an opinion and help resolving an issue?

Piss poor, Dakka, piss poor indeed. I'm a little ashamed.

DoW

*Ahem.*

Chaos is begin to grow.

Now that that is out of the way, bring him in as your lieutenant! So yeah he maybe stole your idea, I'd be a little upset too and you certainly aren't overreacting. But think of how cool it is to say "Yeah, my warband's here fighting at the Cadian gate, while a detachment is over there raiding an Imperial world! "

He simply liked the scheme, I'd be slightly wary if someone used my own schemes or designs, but in it seems he simply wished to use a cooler scheme than his own and liked your skill.

DogOfWar wrote:This is perfect example of people really not taking the time to understand the situation before posting.

Did Laughing God rip the kid apart and yell at him? No.
Did he make snide remarks, harsh critiques, insulting comments about the other player's models? No.
Did he do anything that deserves harsh responses at all? No.

Knee jerk responses are common, human, and understandable. I would probably be surprised and a little annoyed if someone copied my exact scheme because it's very personal to me. Imitation may the be sincerest form of flattery but it doesn't mean everyone is going to like it or respond to it in the same way.

The fact that Laughing God came onto Dakka, a place where he felt he could get some objective assessment, friendly advice, and perhaps some other people's experiences shows that he didn't want to react harshly and was curious as to whether he should adjust his views and re-think his immediate reaction. The fact that he did this, rather than take matters into his own hands immediately, shows a great deal more maturity than what I can see in the rest of the posters in this thread.

To be fair, there have been a couple of mature responses to his initial post but, quite frankly, most of the responses are unnecessarily puerile, angry, and downright insulting for really no reason at all. Honestly, judging by the responses alone (if I hadn't read his original post) I would have assumed Laughing God had bitched the kid out, smashed his models, and sent him home crying.

Is this seriously what you guys expect when you log on to Dakka? Especially when someone comes asking for an opinion and help resolving an issue?

Piss poor, Dakka, piss poor indeed. I'm a little ashamed.

DoW

Now being the guy that usually tells DAKKA "shame on you all!" I can safely say I dont think DAKKA overreacted at all really. The guy was complaining and moaning that someone else liked his army scheme, and so started to copy it. Really?! What do you expect from the rest of DAKKA? A good job, a pat on the back and a gold TFG pin?

I think the posts are not harsh. He asks if how would we react and should he care or not.

My answer on the post stands. Laughing God apparently cared about it and made his post. Even the amount of posts this thread has and arguments in it is a proof of it.

I have got to say it is very easy to misunderstand the sentiment and implied tone of some posts on the internet, simply because it is a faceless and arguably emotionally void medium where literal meaning sometimes becomes too literal. Lets all just relax a minute here.

laughing god felt irked, i get that. I do not think he should have been, but reading the peoples posts who think the situation was digressed upon to much also makes a lot of sense. We should not get too aggressive about the whole thing though, people react in different ways to different things that is all it is.

Do you know what would be really funny though, if someone copied my post and only changed a few of the words here and there (same meaning but different words) i am laughing about it now but i think i may or may not be irked a bit by it, not to mention the mods won't consider it spam

P.S. Spell check is your friend.

KingCracker wrote:Now being the guy that usually tells DAKKA "shame on you all!" I can safely say I dont think DAKKA overreacted at all really. The guy was complaining and moaning that someone else liked his army scheme, and so started to copy it. Really?! What do you expect from the rest of DAKKA? A good job, a pat on the back and a gold TFG pin?

Hmm, well you have a point. But I still think the posts along the lines of "Grow up!" and "I can't believe you even asked this!" were a little out of line.

Again, if he had actually done something rude or unpleasant to the kid then fine, flame away. But holding his tongue, going online, and just asking if it's okay to feel annoyed isn't really worthy of slamming. Just my 2 cents.

DoW

The only time I would say something along these lines would be OK to get upset is if the example were that the OP had a specific army and build. He did well with it, and the kid in question constantly insulted the OP about how gakky SM were and how much they sucked, and THEN copied his army and build to the letter just to try and beat the OP. Make sense? Then Id say yes, complain away as that kid is an asshat. But this is just paint jobs we are talking here

I'd be pretty proud of my army for inspiring another person and I'd ask the kid if he wanted to do some 2v2 with me.

Normally Id agree with you, my example I meant more like, they trashed your army only to copy it to have a chance to beat you. Guess I wasnt very clear on that part

DeathReaper wrote:I have got to say it is very easy to misunderstand the sentiment and implied tone of some posts on the internet, simply because it is a faceless and arguably emotionally void medium where literal meaning sometimes becomes too literal. Lets all just relax a minute here.

laughing god felt irked, i get that. I do not think he should have been, but reading the peoples posts who think the situation was digressed upon to much also makes a lot of sense. We should not get too aggressive about the whole thing though, people react in different ways to different things that is all it is.

Do you know what would be really funny though, if someone copied my post and only changed a few of the words here and there (same meaning but different words) i am laughing about it now but i think i may or may not be irked a bit by it, not to mention the mods won't consider it spam

P.S. Spell check is your friend.

why youuuuu...../shakes fist lol

People overreacted on both sides, here.

Keep it friendly, guys. We're all in the same hobby here.

I have certainly known lots of people over the years who are proud and possessive of their paint schemes. People like being unique and may take it amiss to have their work copied. Flattered is a reasonable way to feel as well. They're both natural and understandable human reactions.

With an official GW-created scheme, I concur that you can't really be possessive. But if someone is copying (or attempting to) your exact techniques and imitating the little distinct variations, unit markings, etc., I can see wondering what they are thinking; if they really want their models to be confused with yours, or what. It could potentially cause real life confusion and models to be lost or switched around, say if one of you leaves one on a table at some point.

When it comes to unique schemes, I do think it's good etiquette to ask. Three friends of mine who are (or were) fluff gurus coordinated like this once. Once of them had his Space Marine chapter the Void Knights, with a specific paint scheme, organization, etc. And two of the other guys in the group wanted to build vanilla armies as secondary forces, liked his force and asked to do homage forces, and make other companies of the same chapter. It was pretty sweet.

*Historical trivia: One of the "imitators" in this situation was the founder of this website.