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Deadshot wrote:I would be pretty annoyed. I actually expierianced this once. I used to paint Roman Numerals on my squad shoulder pads, the Sgt at I. It would help me place them in the exact right place each time. Some guy saw this. Two days later, I come in and see his guys have the exact same number on his Ultras. Even with the flamer being IX and the Heavy Weapon X.

What kicked me in the shins was the fact he had used transfers while I only painted lines. No one else did this, and it was kinda my thing I felt. Now his two sons do it too. -.-

Jesus mother of god! You mean he used the decals, for what they were intended for? Get right out of town!!!


Seriously this thread is just full of more and more annoying whiners. Im certainly bowing out.

KingCracker wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I would be pretty annoyed. I actually expierianced this once. I used to paint Roman Numerals on my squad shoulder pads, the Sgt at I. It would help me place them in the exact right place each time. Some guy saw this. Two days later, I come in and see his guys have the exact same number on his Ultras. Even with the flamer being IX and the Heavy Weapon X.

What kicked me in the shins was the fact he had used transfers while I only painted lines. No one else did this, and it was kinda my thing I felt. Now his two sons do it too. -.-

Jesus mother of god! You mean he used the decals, for what they were intended for? Get right out of town!!!


Seriously this thread is just full of more and more annoying whiners. Im certainly bowing out.

It was the fact he had apparently had them for years and never changed them and I come in and what happens?

And? So he doesnt put on squad markings so? Im going out on a limb here and guessing your NOT the first person to put squad markings on your army yes? Wheres the WTF moticon when need one

I WAS the only one to do it in my area, which is the point. Sure, other people put Ultra and IF symbols but I was the only one to do roman numerals for each individual marine. He stole it from me. My thing. Its like if someone stole your great idea for a story and just edited it slightly to his taste and it ended up so much better and a bestseller and you sold one copy. To your mum.

Deadshot wrote:I WAS the only one to do it in my area, which is the point. Sure, other people put Ultra and IF symbols but I was the only one to do roman numerals for each individual marine. He stole it from me. My thing. Its like if someone stole your great idea for a story and just edited it slightly to his taste and it ended up so much better and a bestseller and you sold one copy. To your mum.

Except it's not like that at all.

You had a good idea (which I'm totally stealing also btw) to make sure you knew which marine was what and where they were at all times. Someone else saw that idea, decided it worked well, and implemented it.

They aren't profiting off of it.
They aren't stealing anything from you.
You helped them get better.


Why is that bad?

Same happened to me though. I once took my painted army to the shop to game and played a guy who had an unpainted force. Didn't think much of it until the next time me met, he'd painted it! The swine, if he hadn't met me then they would have stayed as grey plastic. Oh the horror of it, what gives him the right to paint his stuff just because I did? Well he should never forget, if he hadn't met me he wouldn't have painted his army!! I MADE HIM THE MAN HE IS DAMN IT!!!

In a game where truly unique paint schemes don't appear very often, how really unique is yours? Is it easily identifiable as pre-hersey emperor's children to those that would recognize such? If so then your paint scheme is all that unique. You've never once seen a paint job in white dwarf or somewhere on dakka and thought, "wow that paint scheme is great I need to paint a unit like that!"?? I don't know too many painters who haven't done that dozens of times.

That said I paint my models to make them look the way I want them to look, not for uniqueness or anything else but that is the color I wanted them to be and the overall effect is what I wanted, so I've never been upset with people painting similar schemes to mine. The only time I get upset is if someone uses the same scheme and makes it look much better than mine and then I have to kill them and bury their body in the middle of the woods where no one will find it.

Skriker

rigeld2 wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I WAS the only one to do it in my area, which is the point. Sure, other people put Ultra and IF symbols but I was the only one to do roman numerals for each individual marine. He stole it from me. My thing. Its like if someone stole your great idea for a story and just edited it slightly to his taste and it ended up so much better and a bestseller and you sold one copy. To your mum.

Except it's not like that at all.

You had a good idea (which I'm totally stealing also btw) to make sure you knew which marine was what and where they were at all times. Someone else saw that idea, decided it worked well, and implemented it.

They aren't profiting off of it.
They aren't stealing anything from you.
You helped them get better.


Why is that bad?

In 4 words? He didn't ask first. He just took the idea. Normally if people ask I say yes, and probably wouldv'e. But the other thing is he left me with nothing. Nothing unique in the gaming group. Just some badly painted marines with black lines on the shoulder. It was soul crushing..I was alright when it was just me because the numerals were a point of interest. Now they are common place.

Also, feel free to use the idea. As long as I don't know or play you feel free. At least you gave warning.


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Skriker wrote:In a game where truly unique paint schemes don't appear very often, how really unique is yours? Is it easily identifiable as pre-hersey emperor's children to those that would recognize such? If so then your paint scheme is all that unique. You've never once seen a paint job in white dwarf or somewhere on dakka and thought, "wow that paint scheme is great I need to paint a unit like that!"?? I don't know too many painters who haven't done that dozens of times.

That said I paint my models to make them look the way I want them to look, not for uniqueness or anything else but that is the color I wanted them to be and the overall effect is what I wanted, so I've never been upset with people painting similar schemes to mine. The only time I get upset is if someone uses the same scheme and makes it look much better than mine and then I have to kill them and bury their body in the middle of the woods where no one will find it.

Skriker

Last paragraph is what I am trying to describe. He took my idea and did it better. Very depressing.

Deadshot wrote:I WAS the only one to do it in my area, which is the point. Sure, other people put Ultra and IF symbols but I was the only one to do roman numerals for each individual marine. He stole it from me. My thing. Its like if someone stole your great idea for a story and just edited it slightly to his taste and it ended up so much better and a bestseller and you sold one copy. To your mum.

And if you could prove he stole your book idea then you could sue him for millions. Hardly the same thing.

Meanwhile roman numerals as squad markings is hardly unique in any fantasy or sci-fi game. In fact it is spread throughout the line of Space Marine Codecies from the beginning. Roman numerals are hardly all that unique and maybe *you* should have used some more unique form of numbering on your models instead and then you wouldn't be so upset. Getting whiny about someone else in the group putting roman numeral squad markings on their models is like whining that another Ultramarines player painted their army blue too.

Skriker




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Deadshot wrote:

In 4 words? He didn't ask first. He just took the idea. Normally if people ask I say yes, and probably wouldv'e. But the other thing is he left me with nothing. Nothing unique in the gaming group. Just some badly painted marines with black lines on the shoulder. It was soul crushing..I was alright when it was just me because the numerals were a point of interest. Now they are common place.

Also, feel free to use the idea. As long as I don't know or play you feel free. At least you gave warning.

Wow I need your permission to do whatever I wish with MY minis. A little full of ourself aren't we? I don't care who you are or what you do with your minis, so don't expect me to ask permission to paint and detail my minis as I choose to, especially something as obviously derivative and common as roman numeral markings on marines. Really? I could have been planning such a detail on my minis for months and finally had collected enough decals to do it on every model at once, when you come along and suddenly I'm supposed to ask permission to complete a plan I've been purchasing decals for for months? Not gonna happen...

Deadshot wrote:
Last paragraph is what I am trying to describe. He took my idea and did it better. Very depressing.

Difference: I am joking...you don't seem to be.

Skriker

For one, the book was an example, and hyperbole at that.

Secondly, I wasn't giving.permission or not. I said I don't mind that you want to steal my idea (your words, not mine).

Thirdly, I am not whiney. I could've told him I didn't want to do.it because its.my thing. Or I could've nerdraged. If he had said "Pretty cool, can.I use it?" I would've told hin yes. All it is is common courtesy. He asks my consent, even though he'll ignore my response, and I say yes because he asked.

Deadshot wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I WAS the only one to do it in my area, which is the point. Sure, other people put Ultra and IF symbols but I was the only one to do roman numerals for each individual marine. He stole it from me. My thing. Its like if someone stole your great idea for a story and just edited it slightly to his taste and it ended up so much better and a bestseller and you sold one copy. To your mum.

Except it's not like that at all.

You had a good idea (which I'm totally stealing also btw) to make sure you knew which marine was what and where they were at all times. Someone else saw that idea, decided it worked well, and implemented it.

They aren't profiting off of it.
They aren't stealing anything from you.
You helped them get better.


Why is that bad?

In 4 words? He didn't ask first. He just took the idea. Normally if people ask I say yes, and probably wouldv'e. But the other thing is he left me with nothing. Nothing unique in the gaming group. Just some badly painted marines with black lines on the shoulder. It was soul crushing..I was alright when it was just me because the numerals were a point of interest. Now they are common place.

Also, feel free to use the idea. As long as I don't know or play you feel free. At least you gave warning.


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Skriker wrote:In a game where truly unique paint schemes don't appear very often, how really unique is yours? Is it easily identifiable as pre-hersey emperor's children to those that would recognize such? If so then your paint scheme is all that unique. You've never once seen a paint job in white dwarf or somewhere on dakka and thought, "wow that paint scheme is great I need to paint a unit like that!"?? I don't know too many painters who haven't done that dozens of times.

That said I paint my models to make them look the way I want them to look, not for uniqueness or anything else but that is the color I wanted them to be and the overall effect is what I wanted, so I've never been upset with people painting similar schemes to mine. The only time I get upset is if someone uses the same scheme and makes it look much better than mine and then I have to kill them and bury their body in the middle of the woods where no one will find it.

Skriker

Last paragraph is what I am trying to describe. He took my idea and did it better. Very depressing.

It's not YOUR idea, many people have done it before. He also doesn't need your permission. If you're gonna get your pants bunched up over stuff like this make sure you patent your painting methods.

As far the local group went, it was my idea. I did it first, in THAT GROUP and was the only one at the time.

Let me rephrase my problem. I dislike people doing the same thing as me. I like individuality.

Rogues Gambit wrote:WOW

so many people here are against the OP...i'm actually surprised. well maybe not against, more like of a different opinion and feel.

but i have to say, if you put a lot of effort into your army and then someone comes along and copys it, i'm thinking same paint scheme, same models same list and all that jazz...well i would be really pissed.

it would totally deflate me, here is someone who has totally ripped off my theme and army...i would be totally deflated.

on the other hand i paint my armys very similar to GW enough to say i copy cat GW...so seeing an army similar to mine would not be a surprise. I would love someone to come up and say oh man that looks awesome, i wanna paint mine like that. Well i would be bananas to try and help then, i would tell them the paints i used the techniques and brushes and everything so they might be able to copy me.

but someone just showing up, and then re-painting their army and changing their list to mine the next week with out talking to me about it or inquiring about stuff..well i would be very annoyed enough to sell the whole army nd start a new one. Even if it is a similar style to GW.

so shoot me i like to be an individualist like everyone else

Think it was just painting, not his army list

Deadshot wrote:

n0t_u wrote:They also generally hate the Ultramarines and will fail to find an excuse beyond "they get all support", "flagship", "everyone plays them" or an equivalent that unknowingly implies one of those.

Why bring them up?

Hipsters hate things that are mainstream. Some have genuine hate for them for a real reason, but from seeing it pop up a fair few times it doesn't seem to get much past a general hate for them because they are everywhere or popular.

Thus it is sort of an equivalent for 40k. That is not to say that everyone that dislikes them is one. Merely poking a little fun at the whole thing.

Yeah but no one had mentioned them?

Was a direct response to the previous post.

AustonT wrote:

LordTyphus wrote:I didn't know warhammer had hipsters.

They only play Warhammer ironically.

Ah. I didn't see the connection.

Deadshot wrote:...I like individuality.

Yes, we know, you are unique...

Just like everyone else...

Dude, it was some numbers on Space Marines. Look in the SM codex they even tell you what the squad's markings look like. and those transfer sheets... come with roman numerals 1-10.

you are hardly the first person to have that idea.

Do not sweat the small stuff.

Am I going to get grief from the Soviet Union because I copied their paint scheme onto my Leman Russes?

I hope not!

Deadshot wrote:For one, the book was an example, and hyperbole at that.

Secondly, I wasn't giving.permission or not. I said I don't mind that you want to steal my idea (your words, not mine).

Thirdly, I am not whiney. I could've told him I didn't want to do.it because its.my thing. Or I could've nerdraged. If he had said "Pretty cool, can.I use it?" I would've told hin yes. All it is is common courtesy. He asks my consent, even though he'll ignore my response, and I say yes because he asked.

Your line I quote: "In 4 words? He didn't ask first. "

That very heavily implies that you needed to give your permission. That is exactly what you wrote. What part of that did I get wrong? The only reason for him to ask first is so that you could say it was OK for him to do it too. That is *giving permission*. It all boils down to the fact that you are effectively claiming ownership over some unique thing that isn't unique at all in space marine armies, so much so that they actually make decals to do it.

It is fine to want to be unique and have individuality. Given that I find it kind of amusing that you chose to play space marines, the single most popular army in the entirety of 40k.

Skriker

Unit1126PLL wrote:Am I going to get grief from the Soviet Union because I copied their paint scheme onto my Leman Russes?

I hope not!

In Soviet Russia, grief gets YOU!!

Skriker wrote:

Deadshot wrote:For one, the book was an example, and hyperbole at that.

Secondly, I wasn't giving.permission or not. I said I don't mind that you want to steal my idea (your words, not mine).

Thirdly, I am not whiney. I could've told him I didn't want to do.it because its.my thing. Or I could've nerdraged. If he had said "Pretty cool, can.I use it?" I would've told hin yes. All it is is common courtesy. He asks my consent, even though he'll ignore my response, and I say yes because he asked.

Your line I quote: "In 4 words? He didn't ask first. "

That very heavily implies that you needed to give your permission. That is exactly what you wrote. What part of that did I get wrong? The only reason for him to ask first is so that you could say it was OK for him to do it too. That is *giving permission*. It all boils down to the fact that you are effectively claiming ownership over some unique thing that isn't unique at all in space marine armies, so much so that they actually make decals to do it.

It is fine to want to be unique and have individuality. Given that I find it kind of amusing that you chose to play space marines, the single most popular army in the entirety of 40k.

Skriker

Just because I play SM (I bought a starter set, and played nids first. I decided just to paint the 10 men and had nothing better to do. Now I like them) doesn't mean I have no uniqueness. I am the only player who actually uses Blood Ravens as a main scheme and was the only person to use individual markings, decals or.not. It was my thing, my trademark, if you will, in that gaming group. No one else did that. Now other people do that. And with the event known as C:BA, everyone and his Squig seems to think red marine = BA even though I don't use that codex and have bone coloured shoulder pads.

Now, I am one of 4 people I can think of who use that numbering thing ( or did use it. I don't like it anymore, has become too common around these parts) and probably others too. Other people paint Blood Ravens. Maybe not as a main army or even a just a single unit, and the BA above.

I am a person who needs a "thing" within a gamibg group. Ie- The guy with lots of tanks, the guy with all conversions or the guy with all PROXIES tfor examples. I have no thing. It kills me. The OP asked if it would annoy me if someone took my thing ( his example was a colour scheme) without asking or notifying? Reread these last few pages for an answer. Yes, it does.

Well you could quit being a baby about it. That can be your thing.

KingCracker wrote:Well you could quit being a baby about it. That can be your thing.

BAM!
I keep coming back to this thread to check if the OP has posted his snowflake pre heresy ECs, still no joy it appears. Maybe his unique PHECs are in fact an Eldar army.

KingCracker wrote:Well you could quit being a baby about it. That can be your thing.

Just because you look like an Ork doesn't mean you have to have the manners of one.

DoW

Seriously. Way to elevate the thread.

How does one elevate a thread that's basic premise is to cry to the community about how someone copied your paint job of a mainline army described in detail and done by at least hundreds and more likely thousands of people. This thread was pedantic when it began, my nieces and nephews are as churlish about being copied. You want this thread elevated

remember where it cane from.

Glad to see Im not the only one that thinks this way

this thread is a great way to know whose posts i should ignore in the future. Very informative

AustonT wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Well you could quit being a baby about it. That can be your thing.

BAM!
I keep coming back to this thread to check if the OP has posted his snowflake pre heresy ECs, still no joy it appears. Maybe his unique PHECs are in fact an Eldar army.

Sorry been on the rifle range all week teaching 350+ Marines how to shoot. Easy job but LLLOOOONNNGGG hours let me tell you. Got around to posting those pics if you want to check them out. I'm not the best painter in the world but it’s MY table top standard I feel. I'll get some pics of the kids units this weekend so you can see the similarities and differences. Kind of moot at this point since I got the F over it pretty quick and it was more of an inspiration that a direct copy after I talked to the kid.

KingCracker wrote:Well you could quit being a baby about it. That can be your thing.

Everything you have posted on this thread so far boils down to: “Quit being a whiny bitch about it” lol That’s all. And while I respect the honesty and blunt straightforwardness of it all you aren’t making any kind of point, you aren’t giving any examples were you have seen something unique you have done with your army then got annoyed when you saw it from someone else, you haven’t even mentioned the flip side how you might been flattered when you see the same thing you did in other armies which would be the other stance. All you have done this whole thread is insult and make snide comments man. Lol If people who get annoyed with similar armies really bother you THAT much then why keep posting or reading the thread that you are not contributing anything significant to? I don’t know you but I’ll assume you are an adult who’s time is valuable and can make rational argument why not put your efforts elsewhere in a thread that doesnt bother you or you actually give two gaks about or say what you are really trying to say without being an asshat

KingCracker wrote:Glad to see Im not the only one that thinks this way

Awwww Bromance is so cute lol

Well so far we have the opinion that people who are annoyed by similar armies or people who get ideas from there army are just whiners, we have those people who get annoyed when they see something thought was there original idea get used by someone else, and people who get flattered or are indifferent either way when they see it. Good stuff one and all. Has anyone here made a no gak DIY SM chapter, Chaos Warband, Tyranid splinter fleet, tau sept, ect... that they thought was there good original idea, colors, icons, what have you... then someone else saw it and decided to do the exact same thing? Just curious if that’s happened to anyone and I guess expresses my overall point better.