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Can you post the case breakdowns for us here

The trays listed are all doubled up PH4+PH6 for example, yet the trays listed for the deal are single such as one PH4 , 2x PH5. It hard to get a clear breakdown.

If I add up all the subcomponents it doesn't add up. Your case appears to only allow for three Strike Dropships, yet the mega deal has four.

http://www.krmulticase.com/bespoke.aspx?type=L&system=DZC&army=PH

Post Human Republic set A
Holds: Holds the PHR starter army plus more !
select set DZC-PH-A
Comprises: 2x PH2, PH6, PH30, PH3

Post Human Republic set D
Holds: Holds the PHR large or Mega army plus more !
Comprises: 2x PH1, 2x PH2, PH6, PH30, PH3, PH4, 2x PH5
select set DZC-PH-D

I think some clarity is in order. Maybe you are getting an early heads up on a brainfart.


by what I can read this:
2x PH1, 2x PH2, PH6, PH30, PH3, PH4, 2x PH5
means:

2x heavy dropships
4x medium dropships or fighters
2x fighters
3x strike dropships
13x IFV/MLRS
20x Walkers
8x Scout walkers
12x troops stands
1x cards plus 'accessories'

Now from your earlier comments you want it to be efficient and expansion frindly.
You have insufficient room for the 4 Tritons provided
You provide 13 'tank' slots, nothing like enough infantry stand space for them. Unless you are expecting massed sales of MLRS.
No heavy and medium dropship beyond the set contents. Capacity to airlift 20 units and a total of 33 provided. This excludes scout walkers, of which you have more that can be covered by the strike dropships (assuming none of those are infantry carriers.

So your set cannot actually fit a mega set for PHR, allowing for the info given, and expands on in that you can have 6 walkers, 7 tracked vehicles and 4 scout walkers, yet no expansion room for dropships fighters or infantry.

Either this has been listed incorrectly or needs to be heavily rethought out.

All PHR trays are now uploaded. Pics will follow in a weeks time. All tray combinations are avalibe for pre-order, and shipping will be on the 23rd July to coincide with the mimiatures shipping date.

See the website for tray details - http://www.krmulticase.com/buyarmystorage.aspx?system=DZC&army=PH, though the most often asked question is exactly what fits in the cases which come with the armies, and particularly how much expansion room is there. Here are the lists for the Starter, large and Mega army deals -

Starter Army Case:
4 Medium Dropships or Fighters plus stands
3 Strike Dropships plus stands
4 Walkers
3x IFV/MLRS
12 Troop bases
Cards and accessories

Large Army Case and Mega Army Case (same trays in each):
2x Heavy Dropships plus stands
4 Medium Dropships or Fighters plus stands
6 Strike Dropships plus stands
2 Fighters plus stands
13x IFV/MLRS
20 Walkers
8 Scout Walkers
18 Troop bases
Cards and accessories

More pre-selected sets will be added to the website next week, and of course you can mix&match to create your own case and trays to suit a particular army list that you create.

Ok, your site (still) says a PH3 has three strike dropships, only it has them and you only get the one.

Something needs amending,

No probs, bear in mind we are uploading quite a bit of background data for all of them too, I guess you have been viewing as we uploaded, depending on the order of loading depends on the view on the site, all should be pretty much done now, the 2 PH3's should be visible (for the 6 strike dropships) in set D.

Re your other thoughts on how much each can ship can carry and the case capacity - bear in mind that the tray selection for the army deals is based around the likely vehicle/troop quantities using the ruleset . Certainly higher quantities and variations are possible, hence the flexibility of the tray system to cater for all those needs,

Orlanth wrote:

RiTides wrote:My preferred order is Shaltari, shaltari, shaltari

Nah, UCM, more UCM and some Scourge (to kill). Those Shaltari dogs claim they can teleport, let them teleport, they don't deserve good honest transportation.

Noooooo

Thanks for posting this, KR, looking forward to finding out the others! Do you have them done, and are drip-feeding us or are you still finalizing?

Also, which faction is up next?

The others are 70-80% done, as soon as I can get them on the site I will. At the moment I should get Shaltari or UCM on there early next week - . I think all the models are great BTW, it has been brill to have all of them to use for making the trays, hard for me to pick a favourite though,

.

Excellent . Shaltari was first in the sentence, so...

I would really like to know before ordering my models, as I'd like them all to fit in the case!

One thing I'm confused about- I was planning to order the starter army with case, and then add all the models that are in the mega army, as I'd rather order from someone in the US. Are you saying the trays in the starter army case are different than the large/mega? That'd be a bummer and I don't know why you'd do so, as the large/mega expand off of the starter?

Shaltari will be next then ;-)

The starter army case is half the size of the case for the mega army, and is aimed at the likely models that would be expanded to for a small game. If you are planning to add the mega army then the easiest option is to buy the larger case (possibly even with the mega army), or one of the larger cases with a tray set for the mega army, or you can choose exactly which tray you will need if for example you then decide to vary your army list once you start playing the game. Once the trays are all done, I will be adding the range of KR Multicases to the Dropzone Commander listings.

If you purchased just 3 additional trays :

PH1+PH1
PH4+PH4
PH5+PH5

That will give you the same trays as in the Mega army set,

Will the stand-alone cases/trays (or even pre-loaded for mega configuration, but without the models) be available through the likes of the Warstore / Miniature Market / etc, or direct only?

Thanks for all the info

It looks like the only way to future proof the current kr multicase deal is to take a knife to it and cut some of the excess infantry or tank slots into spacing for dropships.

Shame really.

Or just order separate trays that have the dropship spaces you want, rather than the prepackaged trays that come with the sets.

Exactly, the system of the 6 trays - PH1 to PH6 means that you can create all the combinations you need for any army configuration, even those which make army lists which are away form the ruleset, or qhere you want to have reserves or different paint schemes on multiple models,

Thought of that, about buying an extra PH1&2 set.

That would cover extra tranport for up to ten more ground units, something which the current box will cover Trouble now is transporting the extra tray Its not enough to warrant an extra case. However by the time UCM trays are worked out I will likly be wanting something similar there. I could fill the rest with terrain I suppose.


The case, as is, will allow for 12 dropships and enough extra space to have a choice of what to load them up with. Keeping parity of transport against ground vehicle would take that choice away. But 33 ground models (plus 8 scout walkers) against a capacity of 20 is a bit much IMHO. it would be good to squeeze an extra Neptune in there instead to keep options open.

Does Hawk really expect armies to cap out at 2 heavy and 4 medium dropships?

Three things:

I don't like the card cases (nothing specific, I just don't like them), EDIT: so I would prefer to use some other type of case.
How can I know what fit in what ?
Don't take it wrong, but the description of what is an KRU and how many KRU fit in what are somewhat lacking, and the only thing I have seen that answer my question (the tray selector) does not include the DropZone trays.
There seems to be many formats of tray. Which one are the DropZone trays ?

What does the PH30 looks like ?

It look like the custom trays are all possible pairs of PHx, except that I think you missed PH2+PH5.

to cover the above questions -

RiTides - Yes Warstore / Miniature Market can stock them either direct from our US factory or US distributor.

Orlanth - the case as is allows for likely setups within the rule set, the flexible tray layout and tray options means that you can create a custom case to suit your specific army as suits you.

mrondeau - no worries, there are aluminium cases, Kaiser transport bags and backpacks too, the KR Units description will be improved no problem, and we will be adding Dropzone to the TraySelector and TrayCreator too. The dropzone trays can be found either from the drop down menu (select your army faction from "other"), or use the "what fits" page from the home menu to see them listed out too (select alphabetically)

The tray pics, including the PH30 accessory tray will be available in a week or so,

KR wrote:to cover the above questions -
mrondeau - no worries, there are aluminium cases, Kaiser transport bags and backpacks too, the KR Units description will be improved no problem, and we will be adding Dropzone to the TraySelector and TrayCreator too. The dropzone trays can be found either from the drop down menu (select your army faction from "other"), or use the "what fits" page from the home menu to see them listed out too (select alphabetically)

Thanks for the answers, but I think one of my questions was not clear.
Example: a aluminium case, half-dept. Would PH2+PH5,PH6+PH6, PH30 fit in there ?
How many KRU is a PHx+PHy ?

consider a PHx+PHx tray as 1/6 KRU, as filling 1/6 of a standard size case (KRU), that means you get 6 of them in a the large/mega army case and 3 in the starter army case. If you want aluminium cases, go for the half width case (these have yet to be added to the dropzone page) and you will get a stack of 3 of them in there. All the PH trays are the same size and are interchangable.

Can you arrange for premium deals to include an upgrade from card to aluminium cases?

KR wrote:consider a PHx+PHx tray as 1/6 KRU, as filling 1/6 of a standard size case (KRU), that means you get 6 of them in a the large/mega army case and 3 in the starter army case. If you want aluminium cases, go for the half width case (these have yet to be added to the dropzone page) and you will get a stack of 3 of them in there. All the PH trays are the same size and are interchangable.

Thanks!

Orlanth wrote:Can you arrange for premium deals to include an upgrade from card to aluminium cases?

That is something that David at Hawk Wargames will do in the future, as well as upgrades to other KR Multicases as well. He is pretty busy at the moment with the launch of the whole Dropzone range so do keep an eye out later in the year.

Well worth following KR and Hawk Wargames on our Facebook and Twitter pages to keep up with any news,

Now looking forward to your Scourge updates, as after seeing what all the other guys at the FLGS are starting, I've changed the faction I'll be doing.

I have a feeling they'll be a little easier since they have less "profiles"- their 2 heavy tanks have the same chassis, as well as the 2 light tanks. Their 2 light dropships also have the same chassis.

Maybe it's because I'm stupid, but I'm having trouble deciphering your website. What are the dimensions of the PHR trays?

I think we're overdue for the next case loadout reveal, right?

Hoping the Scourge one has plenty of extra room for minders/prowlers, although they're so small, I'm not sure what you'll do with them!

Tough luck, you wanted Shaltari next and are getting what you wanted.

cincydooley - The trays for PHR are 255 x 190 x 38 externally - think of them as 6 fitting in 1 standard size KR Multicase,

RiTides - The Shaltari are just being finalised, they will go up today ;-)




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All Shaltari trays are now uploaded. Pics will follow in a weeks time. All tray combinations are avalibe for pre-order, and shipping will be on the 23rd July to coincide with the miniatures shipping date.

See the website for tray details - http://www.krmulticase.com/buyarmystorage.aspx?system=DZC&army=SH, though the most often asked question is exactly what fits in the cases which come with the armies, and particularly how much expansion room is there. Here are the lists for the Starter, large and Mega army deals -

Starter Army Case:
4x Medium Gates plus stands
8x Grav tanks
3x Terragates
4x Light Grav tanks
8x Troop bases
2x Card decks and accessories

Large Army Case and Mega Army Case (same trays in each):
2x Heavy Gates plus stands
4x Medium Gates plus stands
2x Light Gates plus stands
6x Gunship/Heavy Fighter/Light Gate plus stands
4x Warstriders
16x Grav tanks
6x Terragates
8x Light Grav tanks
16x Troop bases
2x Card decks plus accessories

More pre-selected sets will be added to the website next week, and of course you can mix&match to create your own case and trays to suit a particular army list that you create.

Sweet, thanks for updating! If you get the Scourge done by next week, it might even be in time for me to know what will fit before preordering

I ordered the Shaltari mega-deal. By my reckoning, I'll have this much room left over:

4x Grav tanks
2x Terragates
4x Light Grav tanks
4x Troop bases
1x Card decks plus accessories

I was secretly hoping for more slots for air vehicles and warstriders, but there is a lot crammed into that case already. And to be fair, it's hard to know if taking more of those units would even make much sense until we see the rules...

The mega army does fill most of the case, the spare sections fall in line with the rule set and likely additional units for a game. Certainly as people start to play the game different army lists will be built, the flexible tray designs means that there is something to suit all the potential options in the future simply by replacing a tray or 2 in the case.

So will the last two sets be done before the preorder date... i.e. this week?

United Colonies of Mankind trays and sets are now uploaded. Pics will follow in a weeks time. All tray combinations are avalibe for pre-order, and shipping will be on the 23rd July to coincide with the miniatures shipping date.

See the website for tray details - http://www.krmulticase.com/buyarmystorage.aspx?system=DZC&army=UC, though the most often asked question is exactly what fits in the cases which come with the armies, and particularly how much expansion room is there. Here are the lists for the Starter, large and Mega army deals -

Starter Army Case:
3x Medium Dropships plus flight stands
3x Light Dropships/Gunships plus flight stands
10x Heavy Tanks/Tank Destroyers/APC
1x Command Vehicle
10x Tanks
4x Scout Buggies
8x Troop bases
2x Card decks and accessories

Large Army Case and Mega Army Case (same trays in each):
2x Heavy Dropships plus flight stands
4x Medium Dropships plus flight stands
8x Light Dropships/Gunships plus flight stands
2x Interceptors plus flight stands
1x Strike Fighter plus flight stands,
20x Heavy Tanks/Tank Destroyers/APC
2x Command Vehicle
20x Tanks
8x Scout Buggies
16x Troop bases
2x Card decks plus accessories

More pre-selected sets will be added to the website next week, and of course you can mix&match to create your own case and trays to suit a particular army list that you create.

I will get the Scourge updated by Thursday all being well, and then will need to get the pics added too.