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mikhaila wrote:From a store owners point of view:

If I get to offer you the use of glue to put together a model, then I get a chance to be generous, and generally people are thankful for it.

Once it moves to "I'm entitled to free glue", everyone takes what I've given for granted, and abuses the priveliges. I don't get thanked, and get hassled if I'm out of a color at the painting table.


Many things start off as someone being generous, the generosity is abused, and the offer goes away. Something to remember when you make use of free scenery, table space, glue, late night gaming, snacks, a restroom, space to model or paint, a place to gather and talk to other gamers, etc.

Agreed 100%. Don't abuse the Mikhaila, or the Mikhaila will abuse back. Plus he has been very pleasant and runs a great store. I am sure he knows people that can make those types of customers "Disappear".

carmachu wrote:Borrow the house glue to fix a model broken during the game? No problem.

Borrow the house glue/clippers/paint to build your army? Dont be a cheap bastard and buy yourself some glue and stuff. Post offices dont let you borrow tape to seal your box, they make you buy tape. To build your models, buy glue, its not that expensive.

Your post office makes you tape your own boxes? Mine just do it for me.

But I agree with everyone. Buy your own glue, it's not that hard. While I may not be a proponent of GW in the slightest, I don't think we need another hate thread for them over the most trivial things.

Jacko4smackos wrote: Should I double check with the manager if this is a legit ban or if the staff member in questiondiscriminates against me cos I'm Asian or something

Are you fething kidding?

Anyone who plays the racial discrimination card right off the bat can be written off as frivolously complaining about imagined slights.

Quit being cheap and buy some fething glue. If you don't like GW's price on it, go to ANY general store and buy some regular super glue. Hell $1 stores sell it.

The OP will never come back to this thread. LOL

Posts like this make me laugh as the OPs make threads like this looking for sympathy and then get their arses handed to them.

Stop being a freeloader!

Yeah just buy your own glue. It isn't very expensive.

curran12 wrote:
Seriously? By not giving out free modeling/assembly tools and materials they are backward? Jeez, how entitled can you get.

I think he is saying that it's "backwards" because the good will it'd generate to "sacrifice" a few cents worth of product could easily translate to more sales, but I can see you love the word "entitled" so keep on keepin' on.

Brother Gyoken wrote:
I think he is saying that it's "backwards" because the good will it'd generate to "sacrifice" a few cents worth of product could easily translate to more sales, but I can see you love the word "entitled" so keep on keepin' on.

While I'll agree that people bandy about accusations of "entitlement" in places generally inappropriate, and often hypocritically/inconsistently, the store is under zero obligation to provide you with tools and glue. Likewise, you're under zero obligation to play there, or buy stuff from them.

To be fair, maybe the manager said something along the lines off "Don't touch the glue, *insert racist comment here*". the OP would be justified to call him racist.

But generally, not really nice to mooch.

I've got to disagree with just about everyone here.
I think it IS racist. In fact, I'd bet on it... especially since you're Asian.
Everyone knows GW hates Asians. That's why they waited so long to open stores in China.

You should get together with a bunch of your family members and rally some Asian cultural groups to protest the store. If you can manage it, you should take the protest right down to their HQ.

Don't sit back and let the racist, prejudiced GW Machine strip your glue rights away. Take a stand.

Alternatively, you could just buy non-GW glue and use it in the store while smiling nefariously. Maybe put a "Warmachine" logo on the tube or something.

: )

Eric

I can see if you need a really quick fix because something broke, but if you're gonna be building and/or painting in a store, you're not entitled to nuttin. Bring your own stuff, your army transport boattlefoam multicase has pockets for that kinda stuff

If a store wants to offer glue and stuff, still bring your own so it can be there for the people that actually need it.

Jacko4smackos wrote:This particular staff member at my local GW store has "banned" me from borrowing any of the GW tools (clippers, glue etc)

The ban was on the basis of "you never bring your own stuff". However, most of the other staff are quite lenient with lending me the GW tools. I mean if I am already paying loads of dollars for finecast goods, surely using some super glue is not out of line is it?

What's your opinion? Should I double check with the manager if this is a legit ban or if the staff member in questiondiscriminates against me cos I'm Asian or something

Bring your own stuff if your going to do your building at the store... Because it is a store where you buy things and they sell the stuff your using they view you as mooching. I would be upset too if I was working there. The managers prob told the staff to stop allowing it. Don't bother even asking the manager because the employee has every right to deny customers from using shop mats. If you just needed to glue an arm then that's a different story.

I like the "Robert" story. I want to hear more about him.

Jacko4smackos wrote:
What's your opinion? Should I double check with the manager if this is a legit ban or if the staff member in questiondiscriminates against me cos I'm Asian or something

It is probably just racism as compared to you being a moocher.

daedalus wrote:
While I'll agree that people bandy about accusations of "entitlement" in places generally inappropriate, and often hypocritically/inconsistently, the store is under zero obligation to provide you with tools and glue. Likewise, you're under zero obligation to play there, or buy stuff from them.

Literally no one is arguing against this.

MagickalMemories wrote: Maybe put a "Warmachine" logo on the tube or something.

Why would he have to put it on the bottle when he can just buy this?

Kal-El wrote:

Jacko4smackos wrote:This particular staff member at my local GW store has "banned" me from borrowing any of the GW tools (clippers, glue etc)

The ban was on the basis of "you never bring your own stuff". However, most of the other staff are quite lenient with lending me the GW tools. I mean if I am already paying loads of dollars for finecast goods, surely using some super glue is not out of line is it?

What's your opinion? Should I double check with the manager if this is a legit ban or if the staff member in questiondiscriminates against me cos I'm Asian or something

Bring your own stuff if your going to do your building at the store... Because it is a store where you buy things and they sell the stuff your using they view you as mooching. I would be upset too if I was working there. The managers prob told the staff to stop allowing it. Don't bother even asking the manager because the employee has every right to deny customers from using shop mats. If you just needed to glue an arm then that's a different story.

Wait I retract my statement....that dudes totally racist. I agree with the one guy saying to get your family and protest. You never know lol.

The provision of tools etc is something to draw in and maintain people within the store; a busy store is a store where people will look in who might not otherwise. A few pounds spent each week on consumables is well within the budget of most GW stores and as mentioned by a previous staffer, so long as it is monitored so that people don't take the wee people should be more than able to borrow the odd tool or use some of the store paint.

Brother Gyoken wrote:

daedalus wrote:
While I'll agree that people bandy about accusations of "entitlement" in places generally inappropriate, and often hypocritically/inconsistently, the store is under zero obligation to provide you with tools and glue. Likewise, you're under zero obligation to play there, or buy stuff from them.

Literally no one is arguing against this.

Okay, but you seemed to call curran12 out for using the term "entitled" as if inappropriate when you said "I can see you love the word 'entitled' so keep on keepin' on", almost as if it were in error, or perhaps dismissively (I doubt that one, because that would be rude) so I was simply remarking that it seemed appropriate to me.

SilverMK2 wrote:The provision of tools etc is something to draw in and maintain people within the store; a busy store is a store where people will look in who might not otherwise. A few pounds spent each week on consumables is well within the budget of most GW stores and as mentioned by a previous staffer, so long as it is monitored so that people don't take the wee people should be more than able to borrow the odd tool or use some of the store paint.

This is what I am getting at. Of course no store is obligated to provide glue or tools. But it's such a small expense to promote business that it just seems silly to scream "ENTITLEMENT" when someone mentions such.I don't think anyone seriously thinks there is an obligation there, but seriously.... how much glue could the OP possibly be using that a ban is in effect to prevent him from using it to assemble and promote the items he spent tens to hundreds of dollars on?

xole wrote:

carmachu wrote:Borrow the house glue to fix a model broken during the game? No problem.

Borrow the house glue/clippers/paint to build your army? Dont be a cheap bastard and buy yourself some glue and stuff. Post offices dont let you borrow tape to seal your box, they make you buy tape. To build your models, buy glue, its not that expensive.

Your post office makes you tape your own boxes? Mine just do it for me.

But I agree with everyone. Buy your own glue, it's not that hard. While I may not be a proponent of GW in the slightest, I don't think we need another hate thread for them over the most trivial things.

My post office does make me tape my own boxes....but thats because Canada Post are the cheapest bunch of ..... I have ever dealt with.

But I have to agree with everyone else. If the store owner likes to provide stuff for people to do little things here and there, that is his decision. But as a customer it is never your right to be provided such a service, especially at the expense of you actually buying the stuff from the store.

Our store (not a GW) doesnt let anyone use anything for free (and all the books are shrink wrapped). In turn we as a community routinely share our hobby supplies, but again if someone starts never buying glue etc we stop sharing with them...they learn pretty quick.

Serves you right. The GW store is not there for you to bum stuff off of. If you think thay free tools, glue, and paint are a right that the store has to grant you, why haven't you started to shoplift, too? Don't they owe you free models, as well?

Jacko4smackos wrote:What's your opinion? Should I double check with the manager if this is a legit ban or if the staff member in questiondiscriminates against me cos I'm Asian or something

Yes, he's obviously racist and he does discriminate you. If I were you I would press charges.

Why would you want to make models in a GW store? I don't get this at all, it's a damn shop where anyone can walk in and pester you. Clearly you wanted free glue and the rest and when challenged have thrown your toys out the pram.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Serves you right. The GW store is not there for you to bum stuff off of. If you think thay free tools, glue, and paint are a right that the store has to grant you, why haven't you started to shoplift, too? Don't they owe you free models, as well?

If a store owner ever expressed this attitude to me, I'd no longer be a customer.

GW stopped their "buy one Finecast blister and get free hobby supplies for the rest of your life" policy a while ago
Actually they even stopped the free paint and glue policy back then, only a few GW store managers still apply it due to courtesy.
But it shows some creativity to call "not getting loads of free stuff anymore" a "ban due to racist motives"

It's definitely because you're azn.
Us Azn's always get picked on...
Bring Elmers glue and flock their table next time you go in.

Or just buy the glue. Once you've bought it it's free

Brother Gyoken wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:The provision of tools etc is something to draw in and maintain people within the store; a busy store is a store where people will look in who might not otherwise. A few pounds spent each week on consumables is well within the budget of most GW stores and as mentioned by a previous staffer, so long as it is monitored so that people don't take the wee people should be more than able to borrow the odd tool or use some of the store paint.

This is what I am getting at. Of course no store is obligated to provide glue or tools. But it's such a small expense to promote business that it just seems silly to scream "ENTITLEMENT" when someone mentions such.I don't think anyone seriously thinks there is an obligation there, but seriously.... how much glue could the OP possibly be using that a ban is in effect to prevent him from using it to assemble and promote the items he spent tens to hundreds of dollars on?

Quoted to increase the ratio of intelligent things displayed on this page.

Hey, in fact, know what ? I think there are not enough completely similar posts that point fingers at the OP in this thread, so I'll throw in yet another absolutely needed righteous judgement about that entitled leech !
NOT.
This is disturbingly fascinating, actually I clicked on page 2 just to see if people would continue to leave clone comments that all boil down to "lol, entitled, deserved it, hurr durr". Talk about an echo chamber.

Yes, we are hearing only one side of the story, which prompts me to side with neither the OP nor the staff. But I guess not being judgemental on the basis of incomplete information is a personal quirk of mine.

I have to admit, the racism suspicion was a dumb thing to mention.
Except if the guy looked like this.

Brother Gyoken wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Serves you right. The GW store is not there for you to bum stuff off of. If you think thay free tools, glue, and paint are a right that the store has to grant you, why haven't you started to shoplift, too? Don't they owe you free models, as well?

If a store owner ever expressed this attitude to me, I'd no longer be a customer.

You are kidding me, right?

Platuan4th wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote: Maybe put a "Warmachine" logo on the tube or something.

Why would he have to put it on the bottle when he can just buy this?

Because what I said he should buy "non-GW glue," I did not clearly indicate my intent. LOL
I meant that he should buy generic Superglue (it's cheaper than the P3 stuff, too).


Eric