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Might be how they do sisters of battle. Interesting but any idea on time scale.

Brother Dimetrius wrote:To be honest I don't get the point of this thread. Recent Forgeworld publications have been officially sanctioned to use in 40k for a while. It's only the collective decision of most of community that lead to them not being used. Which leads to my main point :

GW organized events a small minority these days so it's down to the individual organizer to make up his mind if which FW rules he wants to allow, if any. Where friendly games are concerned, come to a mutual agreement as to what is legal or not. It's the same with allies in 40k, allies how they used to be in Fantasy, mysterious terrain etc...

We're all (almost) grown-ups, and I don't see anyone needing an official proclamation to use or not use a certain part of the rules, regardless of their source.

Just as a side note, the same books that you're saying are officially sanctioned officially say you should ask your opponent for sanction to use in the game. From the very beginning, they've been officially sanctioned for use in 40k (what else would you use them in? Necromunda? BFG? WHFB?) but simply required permission; the two are not the same thing. Either way, 6th edition is already shaping up as the apoc-but-not-apoc-edition with 2 force orgs at 2,000pts and some questionable ally choices (nuns in leather with dominatrix eldar in leather!)... adding in FW without a permission disclaimer will hardly affect the (lack of) balance in 6th edition.

ShumaGorath wrote:Neither of those will ever keep up with how broken the vendetta or a basic flying demon prince is in sixth. Nor will hydra flak emplacements be a particularly good defense against flyers when they just die the turn the flyers come into play and never get to make a shot.

Vendettas and basic flying dæmon princes aren't broken. Adapt your tactics-- don't rely on FW to break the game so you don't have to.

Also, as I already said, the FW Hydra flak emplacement has the Interceptor rule, so it's the flyers who will die the turn they come in without getting to make a shot. Interceptor should honestly not be available to most armies as a normal ability, Allowing multiple cheap and strong Interceptor units more or less removes important elements of the game outright and should not be allowed-- it's extremely bad design! The one Interceptor that everyone can already take with fortifications is strong enough.


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warboss wrote:Just as a side note, the same books that you're saying are officially sanctioned officially say you should ask your opponent for sanction to use in the game. Either way, 6th edition is already shaping up as the apoc-but-not-apoc-edition with 2 force orgs at 2,000pts and some questionable ally choices (nuns in leather with dominatrix eldar in leather!)... adding in FW without a permission disclaimer will hardly affect the (lack of) balance in 6th edition.

Interesting that you are declaring the edition broken before any major tournaments have even occurred. Perhaps that claim is based more on your anti-GW attitude (readily visible in your signature and avatar) than any actual properties of the edition?

I'm psyched about the possibility of niche codices.

Genestealer Cullt or Adeptus Mechanicus anyone ?

Being able to field FW models will be great. I hope this rumor actually comes true….

Fetterkey wrote:

warboss wrote:Just as a side note, the same books that you're saying are officially sanctioned officially say you should ask your opponent for sanction to use in the game. Either way, 6th edition is already shaping up as the apoc-but-not-apoc-edition with 2 force orgs at 2,000pts and some questionable ally choices (nuns in leather with dominatrix eldar in leather!)... adding in FW without a permission disclaimer will hardly affect the (lack of) balance in 6th edition.

Interesting that you are declaring the edition broken before any major tournaments have even occurred. Perhaps that claim is based more on your anti-GW attitude (readily visible in your signature and avatar) than any actual properties of the edition?

This argument is NOT going to continue in this thread. There are plenty of other places to 6e in general; further posts of this nature in this thread are subject to summary deletion and/or sanction.

I'd love to see some 'micro-Codices', a dozen or so maybe half the size of the current books. Different Chaos warbands/alignments, few of the more unique SM Chapters, perhaps some entirely new list types like they did with the Tyrants Legion. Perhaps they may style the books around certain playstyles as opposed to factions? Like how we have Elysians, a Codex based on air-maneuverability and superiority perhaps. Lots of potential outside of 'SM: Chapter X' or 'Eldar Craftworld Y'.

The big question is is will FW prices be at a higher premium to be made en masse for stores to carry at that capacity?

From my experience, FW are making a switch over to a resin and casting process very similar to Finecast, if not the same. Could be a sign of GW starting the transition. All the new FW releases have been very very similar to Finecast resin/sprues.

Dog. wrote:From my experience, FW are making a switch over to a resin and casting process very similar to Finecast, if not the same.

From what Forgeworld have said, they were using that process for some time before Finecast was released. It's not indicative of an overall change... they use several different casting processes and resins, depending on what is most suitable for the model.

warboss wrote:

Just as a side note, the same books that you're saying are officially sanctioned officially say you should ask your opponent for sanction to use in the game. From the very beginning, they've been officially sanctioned for use in 40k (what else would you use them in? Necromunda? BFG? WHFB?) but simply required permission; the two are not the same thing. Either way, 6th edition is already shaping up as the apoc-but-not-apoc-edition with 2 force orgs at 2,000pts and some questionable ally choices (nuns in leather with dominatrix eldar in leather!)... adding in FW without a permission disclaimer will hardly affect the (lack of) balance in 6th edition.

Agree completely.

TBH, I think for the 98% of gamers who already use the odd FW model in their force (and do so responsibly), this change won't make the slightest bit of difference.

A correct title for the thread I think should be 'Forgeworld going mainstream for tournaments', as they've been part of casual players armies in dribs and drabs for what must be at least 6-7 years now.

I must be in the minority when I think this is a bad idea. I honestly don't think FW should be in the business of making completely new armies. Especially given their track record for the types of stuff they do: space marines.

It's bad enough where we have one GW developer trying to one-up the previous guy's book by coming up with even more whacked out and outlandish rules. But to then have FW try and do the same thing and then have GW compete against those?

Stick to flavor units and special characters for the love of god.

Pacific wrote:A correct title for the thread I think should be 'Forgeworld going mainstream for tournaments', ...

It really shouldn't.

Forgeworld can claim until their faces are blue that their rules are official, it won't change whether or not they are accepted for tournaments. That's still going to be entirely at the discretion of whoever is running the tournament.


Until the Forgeworld rules are as accessible to all players as the regular codexes, people will continue to distrust them, and tournament organisers will continue to disallow them.

Oh boy! I can't wait to see the game that includes a Tau Manta on a 6'x4' table!

I've been dreaming about Forgeworld taking over GW proper for years. I know that won't happen of course but this announcement is very interesting to me.

I think most FW models are fantastic designs. They make what they think is cool rather than pander to the tourney crowd (Tau Air Caste for example, Ordo Xenos which I dont think GW has bothered with), and the designers seem to enjoy their job, enjoy the setting, and care about what they make. They don't write fluff that a 12 year old would come up with either... the Badab books read like some of the serious military history books I have.

I've not had a problem with anything I ordered from FW and I have 10 or so kits.

azazel the cat wrote:Oh boy! I can't wait to see the game that includes a Tau Manta on a 6'x4' table!

I understand that Super Heavies and Gargantuans won't be allowed outside of Apoc.

On top of this, Forgeworld is at times cheaper than regular GW products.

It sounds great in theory.

In practice, US Produced models will be MORE than ordering and shipping from the UK because FW will say that the set up cost in the US was soo much, but then if you try to order from FW UK and ship to US they will jack up shipping 150%.

FW going mainstream could be a terrible, terrible event.






Or not. It could be the coolest thing ever because maybe it would make FW cheap enough for me to be able to commit to buying something. A man can dream can't he?

If this is true, Sisters of Battle are so going Forgeworld-only.



And Tau.

And Tyranids and Eldar and Orks and Chaos Daemons.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:If this is true, Sisters of Battle are so going Forgeworld-only.

Their tagline: If you could afford a metal Sisters army, there's no reason why you can't afford a Forgeworld one!

So does this mean regular FLGSes can sell FW stuff too? or just GW stores?

Vladsimpaler wrote:Their tagline: If you could afford a metal Sisters army, there's no reason why you can't afford a Forgeworld one!

For some of us, the Forgeworld version would be cheaper, so that works for me...

I believe in the forgeworld tau update they said that the stuff updated like the new tetras are "official".

My guess is that this has more to do with the Horus Heresy book and line rumors. Mini-codices = awesome, but ramping up FW production/US presence for the coming of the Horus Heresy books and line makes a lot of sense...I wouldn't buy a 15% VAT shipping HH army, but if the prices are reasonable without that premium? Much more likely.

Rhetorical question: How in the world will TOs be able to cope with all these new street legal rules?!?!?

lol this is awesome, wish i would've waited on ordering all my pre-heresy stuff this morning.
MFW

Necros wrote:So does this mean regular FLGSes can sell FW stuff too? or just GW stores?

Don't know yet, but gosh I hope so! We have so many customers that LOVE FW. We already do group orders for FW to save them money on shipping.

adamsouza wrote:I'm psyched about the possibility of niche codices.

Genestealer Cullt or Adeptus Mechanicus anyone ?

The idea of Forgeworld Genestealer Cult armies has me drooling over here! If they could do Arbites too I'd be set!

Necros wrote:So does this mean regular FLGSes can sell FW stuff too? or just GW stores?

One would assume they would be like some sort of direct only deal. So while you may not find a Warhound Titan on the shelf at your FLGS, you could potentially call it in and have the store order it for you.

Brother Heinrich wrote:lol this is awesome, wish i would've waited on ordering all my pre-heresy stuff this morning.

Well, it's not confirmed yet so I wouldn't start posting the bummed out image macros yet!

This would be great for 40k Now I hope Steve From the Overlords gets his Arbites codex!

All I want is a reduced price Warhound Titan, is that too much to ask?

insaniak wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:Their tagline: If you could afford a metal Sisters army, there's no reason why you can't afford a Forgeworld one!

For some of us, the Forgeworld version would be cheaper, so that works for me...

It sure does mate