Forgeworld Going Mainstream Rumor

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**Deadshot**

I hope FW will go mainstream. But I will say if they do go into GW hobby centres then I assume it will be just small, clampack sized pieces and small box sets like Dreadnoughts. You would still have to order Titans and Gargantuan Creatures via the website.

**Mr Morden**

Vaktathi wrote:
warboss wrote:

One reason is that the FW rules specifically tell you to run it by your opponent first before using whereas the codex doesn't.
Only certain FW books do. My IA:11 does but it's got a ton of apocalypse units in it. Neither of my IA:5 books (the original or updated reprint run) say anything of the sort that I can find.

In one case, you're seen as a jerk whereas the other means you're simply exercising an explicit option in the rules. Is it a double standard? Absolutely... but so is expecting a rarely encountered book that has to be internationally shipped in via special order to be treated as a book that is stocked in every hobby store that carries the 40k line.

People also seem to forget that "forgeworld" players come in all types. Whereas the people posting in this thread seem to be all upstanding, law abiding citizens who own both the official FW models as well as own and bring the official FW books to games with them if they're planning on asking the opponent to use them, the unwashed guy with a solo cup that he wants to use as a FW dread drop pod because he heard about and sorta memorized the awesome rules (or, if you're lucky, printed out a page from a pirated pdf) seem to be the another frequent "forgeworld" gamer you actually encounter.
These people exist in any game and they do it with codex books to as long as their opponent is unfamiliar with the rules. They very certainly do exist, but it's not something exclusive to Forgeworld stuff by any means. I had to correct a guy using the basic SM codex about 7 different things he was trying to do in my last game against him ("no, your vanguard vets don't get to assault out of a moving rhino, no the BA book does not make all Rhinos fast, yes the drop pod still suffers a mishap if it goes off the table, etc"). Making FW out as something special in this regard is unfair I think. Yes it happens, but it's unfair to to blame FW as something special in this context.

Janthkin wrote:All it takes is one Hades Breeching Drill, though, and people will flip out. Again.
To be honest, the breaching drills were never that great. If you knew they were coming, they were very easy to operate around. It's only when they were popped on someone who didn't know what they did that people freaked out.

Agreed and its amazing what experienced "Tournament" players get wrong - we had recently a player spouting all sorts of nonsense and if you quesitioned him - It was " I play in Grand Tournaments - I am right and you are wrong". He carried neither rulebook or relevant codex.

And then you got the rulebook/codex out and showed him why he was wrong - only response you got was "well we alweays played it like X on the tournament ciricuit - no appology"

examples

When the Battlesquad pysker suffered perils of the warp - he was executing the Overseerer when the Codex entry cleary stated it had to be a Sanctioned Psyker - which the Overseer is not - kind of the whole point.

Vehicles travelling flat out had to move exactly 18" no more no less

and so on.........

**Pacific**

Mr Morden wrote:

Vehicles travelling flat out had to move exactly 18" no more no less

.

That's pretty funny..

**Mr Morden**

Yeah it is - however it was not at the time - the person in quesiton and a friend of mine got very heated about this to the point where this and other issues meant the game was abandoned............unfortunately neither had a rulebook with them and I was playing ACTA.

We now have a policy of making sure at least one player brings a rulebook to every game.

another gem was he would not agree the the laser pointer was straight enough to be used for LOS rulings

**kronk**

Bobthehero wrote:
insaniak wrote:
Bobthehero wrote:The ''no books avaible'' argument is a bit flimsy tbh, FW had plenty of PDF on its website.

They publish some trial rules on their website. They don't make everything available like that.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/k/kreig.pdf

Can't be accessed on FW site anymore, due to 6ed, mind you.

Don't take this the wrong way, because my group and I are "Pro-Forge World", if there is such a thing, but you don't sound at all like you know what you are talking about.

The new PDF that FW just released has the Hull Points and the special rules that the FW vehicles have. That's it.

Furthermore, as someone who owns IA5-IA11 and all of the FW Apoc Books, I can tell you that the FW pdf's that were on the website didn't contain 25% of the rules/models that are available to the players, nor do the experimental rules pdfs ever 100% match what goes in the book. The Forge World rules are NOT widely available via PDFs. Please stop trying to make that arguement.

**Vaktathi**

automatonsleuth wrote:
Vaktathi wrote: I had to correct a guy using the basic SM codex about 7 different things he was trying to do in my last game against him ("no, your vanguard vets don't get to assault out of a moving rhino, no the BA book does not make all Rhinos fast, yes the drop pod still suffers a mishap if it goes off the table, etc"). Making FW out as something special in this regard is unfair I think. Yes it happens, but it's unfair to to blame FW as something special in this context.

Perhaps it was just a hasty example, but under the Blood Angels codex, all Rhinos, and Rhino-chassis vehicles, ARE fast. at least, they were under 5th Edition rules. I'm afraid I haven't yet got fully up to speed with 6th Ed, so perhaps that has changed slightly.

He was using the BA codex to say that his C:SM rhino's were Fast was the issue.

As to FW and PDF's, to be fair, they had rules for pretty much all their Imperial Guard and most of the Space Marine stuff in PDF form, at least the non-Apoc stuff, available for quite some time, though it now appears they took them, including the Armored Battlegroup rules, down.

**kronk**

@Vaktathi: they did have some of the older units and their rules. Some were still valid, but a fair number had been updated in later releases (IA: Apoc 2nd edition), which made a great deal of the PDFs invalid.

**Janthkin**

darthtong wrote:Here's a reply from FW on their Facebook:

"Forge World do not and don't plan to write Codices, nor are our models going to be sold in GW stores."

Given this, I think we'll put this thread to rest.