What's best about Warhammer 40k.

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**Necronboy**

I like a good game between two painted armies, with lots of mysterious terrain/etc. and fun stuff that can pop up unexpectedly.

**DOOMBREAD**

BlaxicanX wrote:The fluff.

Nothing about the game itself really interests me. The models+rule books+painting materials are ludicrously expensive, imo, and I hate the fact that dice rolls can potentially screw you over in a game no matter how much better a player you are.

From an actual game perspective, I'll just stick with my Dawn of War 2 collection. 60 bucks and I can play just about any faction and can recolor them all to whatever paint scheme I want with just a few clicks. Also there's almost no luck involved in the matches; if I'm a better I'm just going to win and that's that. Sounds good to me.

But that being said, everyone's got the right to like what they like. As some people mentioned, for them the fun is in the painting, or the converting. So yeah, to each to their own.

So yeah, the fluff. I originally got into WH40K by participating in an online debate about who would win between Star Wars and 40K. Some girl was arguing that the 3E Necrons would solo everything because their ships could fly FTL at combat speeds. Thought that was crap, researched stuff on the Lexicanum, bought the first DoW games not long after that, bought the Gaunt's Ghosts omnibus sometime after that, and here I am a couple years later. WH40K is my favorite source of warporn, and the universe is like every sci-fi/fantasy nerd's dream. It's got a perfect balance of everything. Futuristic sci-fi, fantasy-like swordfights and magic, aliens, visceral combat scenes, epic battles. What's there not to love?

I agree. I will never understand people who like 40k as a game, rather than a setting or a hobby. Honestly, if I ever want something that can truly test my tactical skill while still being fun, I, too, will play DoW. TT is poorly balanced, and tends to favor lists that adhere to a meta, meaning each codex has one good list and a bunch of un-optimized lists that will get smashed to bits by the countless cheeselists. On the other hand, the fluff has that great "no good guys, only different levels of evil" feel, which I love, and, as a history buff, I enjoy the countless references to real countries and people. I understand why someone would find the fluff OTT, but does a good story really need to be completely sensible in terms of real life?

**Fervor**

For me the fluff is the best part. I love the setting in all its grimdark, OTT glory. Also as mentioned the historical references are really enjoyable.

**doc1234**

For some reason, i saw the topic and thought of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__uutzcQXc

In all seriousness, the painting and modeling mostly. Fault them all you will on balance and as a game system, there isn't many other companies as easy to come by as GW with quality plastics/beautiful sculps like this, not ones that are so ripe for conversions and customization anyway.

**TheCrazyCryptek**

pretre wrote:To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women.

If you hadn't said it, I would have.

I enjoy the gaming aspect the most but I also enjoy building. Not a fan of painting though, never have enjoyed it.

**l0k1**

I was an avid ccg player for many years. I played everything from Star Trek, Star Wars, DBZ, and Magic. I wasted thousands of dollars on these games and never knew about wargames.

For a long time friends and I played Dawn of War at LANs and I started getting into the fluff from there. 2 years ago my friends found out about the game and we've all been hardcore into it ever since.

But back on topic, I think the reason I like 40k so much is that it is so very different from any other game I've played. For example someone wins a big ccg tournament. That deck is now all anyone plays, and it all looks the same. With 40k ANY army can win and there are multiple builds for each army. Even if someone played the exact same list as the guy that won last years Ard Boyz it will probably look completely different.

Aside from that I also enjoy that I don't have to buy/trade/sell me stuff off every 3 months just to keep up with changing environments. Yeah, there is a little but not as bad as with ccgs. I also really enjoy the game play and painting, which makes this game so much more customizable and personal.

**djphranq**

I love the grimdark/oot feel of the 40k world.

**Makarov**

I hate modeling, painting, and converting. But, I love to play the game, the fluff, and playing with other people

**Coolyo294**

The fluff. Painting and modelling can be sorta boring, and playing the game is an entirely variable experience, but the fluff always has and always will always be awesome.

**Ratius**

Great looking terrain + armies and if batrepped, a good write-up

**BTNeophyte**

pretre wrote:To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their *plasticdudes*women.

There I fixed it

Seriously, I like spending lots of points on HQ units and seeing if they perform-ends funny either way, IMO

**Zathras**

pretre wrote:To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women.

Modified for 40k:

To crush your opponents, see their figures removed from the table and to hear the lamentations of TFG.

**SpaceStuff**

Hobby wise: Painting, modelling, playing
co-hobby wise: finding friends as awkward as you

**Chaos Santa**

When the dice gods have deemed you worthy and you cannot roll bad.

**DeffDred**

SpaceStuff wrote:Hobby wise: Painting, modelling, playing
co-hobby wise: finding friends as awkward as you

This.

**60mm**

Zathras wrote:
pretre wrote:To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women.

Modified for 40k:

To crush your opponents, see their figures removed from the table and to hear the lamentations of TFG.

Thank you for my new sig!

**Commander Jimbob**

The best bit for me is displaying a fully painted army. It's such a reward

Chaos Santa wrote:When the dice gods have deemed you worthy and you cannot roll bad.

And also the opposite of this - when the dice gods have deemed you unworthy and you cannot roll well.

**tyrant of loserville**

To be crushed and driven by my enemies, while hearing the lamentation of our women...if i were the tau of course.

**KalashnikovMarine**

pretre wrote:To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women.

Beat me to it

In order:
Fluff
Collecting, modeling painting
social
the game itself

**Gorfang EadSplitta'**

The most enjoyable thing about 40k for me is orks

**Harriticus**

For me, it's the setting and universe behind it. Certainly one of the most rich/detailed fictional universes where everything from medieval warfare/knights to star wars-style starship battles are all possible.

**Godless-Mimicry**

Where I come from, the best thing about 40k is the players. I used to play Fantasy exclusively and started playing 40k again for fun. Then the tournament scene for Fantasy was ruined by overly competitive players and so I switched to playing 40k mostly, as did a lot of other players here.

**hotsauceman1**

The player base, I dont know what it is, but they all always willing to teach and tell you what you did wrong, and don't care if you watch, when i went too a warmahordes gathering, they seemed to be hesitant to let me watch, only one guy did and loved answering my questions.
And Magic players seem like recluses or something at my local club..

**Zathras**

Commander Jimbob wrote:The best bit for me is displaying a fully painted army. It's such a reward

Have to agree with this....it gives me a great sense of achievement when I finish the last unit of an army and making it fully painted.....until I realise I need something else for the army amd start the process over again.

Another thing I find enjoyment with in 40k is list building, trying to find the right combo of units to make the best list possible and then compare those lists to other people that play the same army(s) as I do.

**KalashnikovMarine**

Zathras wrote:
Commander Jimbob wrote:The best bit for me is displaying a fully painted army. It's such a reward

Have to agree with this....it gives me a great sense of achievement when I finish the last unit of an army and making it fully painted.....until I realise I need something else for the army amd start the process over again.

This is very true, it's extremely satisfying to have a painted army on display, and having something tangible to show for all your hard work in an era of electronic game play and virtual rewards is.... good, just good.

**Commander Jimbob**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Zathras wrote:
Commander Jimbob wrote:The best bit for me is displaying a fully painted army. It's such a reward

Have to agree with this....it gives me a great sense of achievement when I finish the last unit of an army and making it fully painted.....until I realise I need something else for the army amd start the process over again.

This is very true, it's extremely satisfying to have a painted army on display, and having something tangible to show for all your hard work in an era of electronic game play and virtual rewards is.... good, just good.

That's another point, it's a nice distraction from virtual gaming (which, I admit, I'm very sucked into).

**thejamppa**

the wide universe where things are even more screwed than in real life. Painting and mmodelling, playing and the socializing with friends and other players when playing.

**Plumbumbarum**

The best is how you can't quit after spending so much.

But being serious, the fluff, despite being the grand ripoff. I would not buy plastic man of any kind just would play PC strategies if it wasn't for all those great designs with impressive background. That said, there's a possibility that Matt Ward will ruin it in few years time, imo.

**Banzaimash**

The background and stories that define it.

**Trondheim**

For me it has always been about the warriors that I field, and the difference between my three 40k armies. I have two large Astartes armies and a similar sized imperial guard force. All three armies have distic differences between them and requires me to play in different ways.

And the background stire I give them, I always like to have my armies no mater the system well fleshed out. So to sum it up it has to be painting and giving them a worthy background story