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See, your problem here is, no one is asking them to have spent more money on it. We, the fans of it, love and/or look past those laser ballistic weapons. The show didn't need to be better, it was cowboys in space, based upon a book about a confederate soldier who didn't like the union even after they lost.
But I can gauran-god-damn-tee you, that if Lucas had aired Episode 5 first, then 4, then 6, and had released them on the air at different times with NO ONE knowing about Star wars previously, they wouldn't have been as well received.
By wanting more seasons you are invariably asking for more money by default.
But that also means they have more of a reason to Merchandise it.
And as everyone knows, all the money comes from da MERCHANDISING!
They could totally merch toys based off of a cargo ship and the guns from counterstrike.
They can totally merch toys off of Space Samurai.
If only Whedon had gone where the money is.
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See, your problem here is, no one is asking them to have spent more money on it. We, the fans of it, love and/or look past those laser ballistic weapons. The show didn't need to be better, it was cowboys in space, based upon a book about a confederate soldier who didn't like the union even after they lost.
But I can gauran-god-damn-tee you, that if Lucas had aired Episode 5 first, then 4, then 6, and had released them on the air at different times with NO ONE knowing about Star wars previously, they wouldn't have been as well received.
By wanting more seasons you are invariably asking for more money by default.
But that also means they have more of a reason to Merchandise it.
And as everyone knows, all the money comes from da MERCHANDISING!
They could totally merch toys based off of a cargo ship and the guns from counterstrike.
They can totally merch toys off of Space Samurai.
If only Whedon had gone where the money is.
Actually, I was refering to Star Wars, which is really nothing more than Samurai in space. Just as Firefly is nothing more than Cowboys in space.
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See, your problem here is, no one is asking them to have spent more money on it. We, the fans of it, love and/or look past those laser ballistic weapons. The show didn't need to be better, it was cowboys in space, based upon a book about a confederate soldier who didn't like the union even after they lost.
But I can gauran-god-damn-tee you, that if Lucas had aired Episode 5 first, then 4, then 6, and had released them on the air at different times with NO ONE knowing about Star wars previously, they wouldn't have been as well received.
By wanting more seasons you are invariably asking for more money by default.
But that also means they have more of a reason to Merchandise it.
And as everyone knows, all the money comes from da MERCHANDISING!
They could totally merch toys based off of a cargo ship and the guns from counterstrike.
They can totally merch toys off of Space Samurai.
If only Whedon had gone where the money is.
Actually, I was refering to Star Wars, which is really nothing more than Samurai in space. Just as Firefly is nothing more than Cowboys in space.
One of these two things merchandises vastly better than the other. As a low-fi character drama firefly was not a particularly merch friendly property, especially with how narrow it's universe was during the first season.
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The real reason to be confident this show will get treated right has nothing to do with ABC or Whedon, but everything to do with Disney owning Marvel and ABC. That means that a slow start or drop off in ratings won't be a death knell to the show, because Disney will accept ABC taking in less than desirable advertising revenue in order to keep their major franchises out in the public, because that drives merchandise sales.
I mean, I can't tell you if the show is going to be good or bad, but I can tell you that if its even just half good the ABC will keep it going.
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sebster wrote:The real reason to be confident this show will get treated right has nothing to do with ABC or Whedon, but everything to do with Disney owning Marvel and ABC. That means that a slow start or drop off in ratings won't be a death knell to the show, because Disney will accept ABC taking in less than desirable advertising revenue in order to keep their major franchises out in the public, because that drives merchandise sales.
I mean, I can't tell you if the show is going to be good or bad, but I can tell you that if its even just half good the ABC will keep it going.
I read the other day that the show "Won't feature any of the movie franchise characters or actors", so I expect a shield spinoff. Conceptually delightful, though with a TV budget it could be difficult to make work in the way fans would want.
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ShumaGorath wrote:One of these two things merchandises vastly better than the other. As a low-fi character drama firefly was not a particularly merch friendly property, especially with how narrow it's universe was during the first season.
If you don't see the game, video or otherwise, potential of Firefly, I don't think much can be discussed in this debate....
But anyway, back on topic, a Sheild spin-off would be fairly awesome.
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ShumaGorath wrote:One of these two things merchandises vastly better than the other. As a low-fi character drama firefly was not a particularly merch friendly property, especially with how narrow it's universe was during the first season.
If you don't see the game, video or otherwise, potential of Firefly, I don't think much can be discussed in this debate....
Have you seen the video games coming out for every movie now? Brave had a video game, and it had absolutely nothing to do with the actual movie other than "the girls from Brave is in it". Of course that is marketed at the kiddie demographic who will cry until their parents buy it, but still...
Oddly X-men would really work in a TV format, he's written for them before in the comics, and with the series you can stretch out intros and new members as they filter into the team.
Not sure if the Fox movie rights would clash with TV though.
In general I'd be interested in anything he brings to the table TV wise, also ABC isn't an issue for me, loving 'Once upon a Time' at the mo.
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timetowaste85 wrote:I didn't watch Firefly on TV because:
a. I didn't have cable when it aired
b. I didn't know about it because I didn't have cable
c. as soon as my friend introduced me to Serenity, I immediately went out and bought Firefly and watched through it multiple times.
It's an awesome show. It's not brilliant in the form of weaponry, but the characters are great. I agree-not liking those shows is fightin words. And Fraz, every time I grow to respect you man...you say something like this: "Further, I wasn't impressed with Avengers." Well, I guess the world does need its 1% filling of nutcases. Please don't tell me you thought Batman: TDKR was better than Avengers-I'll cringe. Batman was good...Avengers was better. A lot better.
You may rest assured. I haven't seen TDKR (thats the new one right?) yet. I may rent it eventually. Maybe. I strongly believe people should wuit when they reach the perfect piece and to me The Dark Knight was as perfect as you can get for Batman. besides I'm waiting on Bourne and the Candidate now.
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Frazzled said Further, I wasn't impressed with Avengers. I only liked the last battle sequence. the rest was kind of boring. I'd rather see anything with Robert Downey jr.
Watch Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I thought it was pretty funny, and its Downey being a charming smart ass at his best.
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ShumaGorath wrote:One of these two things merchandises vastly better than the other. As a low-fi character drama firefly was not a particularly merch friendly property, especially with how narrow it's universe was during the first season.
If you don't see the game, video or otherwise, potential of Firefly, I don't think much can be discussed in this debate....
And I'm sure that as a diehard fan you truly believe that. A videogame can be made for anything and most tie in games cash in on brand awareness that never existed for firefly.
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Frazzled said Further, I wasn't impressed with Avengers. I only liked the last battle sequence. the rest was kind of boring. I'd rather see anything with Robert Downey jr.
Watch Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I thought it was pretty funny, and its Downey being a charming smart ass at his best.
I'm pretty sure he did that movie right out of rehab, which made it more awesome. And Val Kilmer just pushed it from great to epic.
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First, cool on Whedon for getting an Avengers show. Could be cool.
Then onto the Firefly stuff
I knew about Firefly when it came out. Due to the sceduling time (before DVR's became something everyone had) there wasn't a chance in hell I was going to watch it over SG-1 or Atlantis. So while I liked the idea I never got to see it before it went off the air. You simply don't put it up against an established juggernaut.
Then they aired the episodes out of order which made it hard to fall in love with the characters early. I've only seen it on dvd but if the order that I've read is the order they released it in no wonder it didn't take off.
I have to say the problem with Serenity is that you don't forgive the plot holes until you've seen Firefly. I walked out of Serenity frustrated at some of the gaping plot holes and while it was a meh movie I didn't care enough about any of the characters. The movie was a lot better after watching Firefly. Whedon is responsible for that screw-up.
Fox is notorious for short cancelling shows. Whedon should have gone to a different network. But I also don't think the time was right for it overall either so I'm not sure it would have worked.
That said I'm glad almost everyone from the main cast is working all over the place and on some pretty good shows.
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Frazzled said Further, I wasn't impressed with Avengers. I only liked the last battle sequence. the rest was kind of boring. I'd rather see anything with Robert Downey jr.
Watch Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I thought it was pretty funny, and its Downey being a charming smart ass at his best.
I'm pretty sure he did that movie right out of rehab, which made it more awesome. And Val Kilmer just pushed it from great to epic.
Yea I pretty much convinced myself to dig that out and watch it later. Glad to see I wasnt the only one that thought that was a good flick
Firefly had some flaws, and a couple of sub-par episodes, but was a pretty darn great TV show. I rarely watch a whole season's worth of a show.
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Firely, aka "Han Solo: The TV Show" was a masterpiece. One more problem that Fox caused, was marketing it as a sci-fi action show, which it was definitely not, nor ever meant to be.
KingCracker wrote:Watch Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I thought it was pretty funny, and its Downey being a charming smart ass at his best.
Fraz mentioned perfect movies or something like that. Well as far as wise ass homages to pulp mystery (or whatever Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was) it was damn near perfect.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
I think my fav part in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was when Downey was at that house party, and was trying to be a hard ass to that jerk at the bar. Flash ahead, and hes sitting outside the place with his face all busted up and bleeding
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If you don't see the game, video or otherwise, potential of Firefly, I don't think much can be discussed in this debate....
There's very little potential for a firefly video game (the only kind of game that matters commercially) with any kind of broad appeal. You're making the mistake of assuming that an IP you enjoy, presented in a format you appreciate, makes that IP commercially viable in that context. I hear this argument made all the time when enthusiasts of certain media wonder why people keep consuming crappy products, and the answer is simply that most people aren't enthusiasts, and therefore lack the context to make especially critical qualitative judgments.
I think you could pull off a Firefly video game, possibly something like Deus Ex with a sense of humor, but you would be hard pressed to find a publisher willing to put enough money behind it to do it justice because you're talking about a fairly limited market. It certainly wouldn't sustain a major network television series.
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Amaya wrote:Funny, just the other day I was thinking Fallout 3 or New Vegas would be a great engine for a Firefly TC.
I was thinking that you could take Deus Ex (absent all the cybernetics) and treat your ship as a hub area, and the various "cities" as individual planets where your jobs are located.
Actually, now that I think of it, Alpha Protocol (with many, many improvements) might not be a bad template either. Throw in some KoToR elements and you've got the basic framework, but you definitely need that real-time 1st or 3rd person combat. Maybe give a River-type a VATS type mechanic.
Really though, any Firefly game needs to be character or story driven, and that's very difficult to do in any Bethesda system.
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Please don't tell me you thought Batman: TDKR was better than Avengers-I'll cringe. Batman was good...Avengers was better. A lot better.
