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 Coolyo294 wrote:

Hialmar wrote:
Actually the easy way to do this is to build your Chapter as the Crimson Fists right after the Snagrod Waagh attacked Rynn's World.

If I recall correctly you would only need like 218 marines or somehting like that.

Not too expensive.

Or better yet, the Novamarines. They only have something like 13 marines left.

They have more than that IIRC...
Just not in any concentrations higher than half a company or so...
The entire chapter is scattered and AFAIK acting as detachments to other chapters...

Crimson Fists might work. Not exactly the smurfs we all know and love, but their novel is one of my favorites in my mediocre BL collection. IIRC, then they should have about 50 vets and 75 marines, along with a handful of vehicles and a dreadnought or two. Even the surviving companies took losses, and the assault on the spaceport was not pretty. You'd need to model a good deal of Ryans World PDF if you hope to win, but its a company

 Kiwi461 wrote:
The 3rd edition space marines codex (which I thought I still had, but can't find now ... Still have the SW one ...) had a picture on the inside of the front cover that showed the entire Ultramarines chapter done by 'Eavy Metal team. I can't seem to find it in google searches, but I know it was there.

This was before drop pods and they has the 2nd edition smaller rhinos and razorbacks. No land raiders either. Maybe two thunder hawks?

EDIT: fixed some hideous typos...

There were Landraiders. 10 of them. There were two thunderhawks in the picture but you only got one in the deal. And that was an old metal one. Not the Forgeworld one.

 quilava1 wrote:
Crimson Fists might work. Not exactly the smurfs we all know and love, but their novel is one of my favorites in my mediocre BL collection. IIRC, then they should have about 50 vets and 75 marines, along with a handful of vehicles and a dreadnought or two. Even the surviving companies took losses, and the assault on the spaceport was not pretty. You'd need to model a good deal of Ryans World PDF if you hope to win, but its a company

The Crimson Fists have recently re-built their Scout company upto pretty much full strength, at least according to the 5th edition Marine codex IIRC.

Other ideas for nearly extinct Chapters would be the likes of the Lamenters, Emperor's Scythes & Celestial Lions. All three are pretty much down to just 1-3 companies worth of marines after run-ins with the Tyranids or some Orky gargants!

I'd like to see Mantis Warriors. They even get access to a FW character

If anyone can make a SM chapter, then they are the god of wargaming. If i'm not mistaken, there is not a single complete chapter out there.

Incorrect, there is a Norwegeen guy that did the ENTIRE blood angels chapter, and a titan

 redkommando wrote:

If anyone can make a SM chapter, then they are the god of wargaming. If i'm not mistaken, there is not a single complete chapter out there.

Incorrect, there is a Norwegeen guy that did the ENTIRE blood angels chapter, and a titan

This man speaks the truth! It was definitely in a white dwarf, I'll have a look through the collection tomorrow and see if I can find it, but wow. How do people have that much determination!

How many points would that 10 company list be? That would be one hell of an Apoc game.

I'm guessing 100,000pts

Colonel-Commissar wrote:
I'm guessing 100,000pts

I don't think it's that high. In a farewell to 5th apoc game I fielded my whole battle company in 3,000 points. I could have added more whistles and bells, but I think 3,500 a company would be a stretch. Obviusly the 1st and 10th are not going to be average, and you have to add in all the chapter level assists. I think a full chapter would probably run around 50k to 75k.

Someone with a codex, calculator, and a lot of spare time could give us a solid answer.

Go back in time and pick up some of these kits.





Make the Megaforce and the Spearhead look a bit light, don't they.

Those are both out of stock...

Also, points depends on weapons loadouts...

 Grey Templar wrote:
Ok, a fluffy chapter would be as follows.

New from GW.


Chapter Command

Chapter Master(in PA)$22.25

Honor Guard(with Calgar) $59

10 Chaplains $169.5

10 Librarians $178.75


Armory

10 Techmarines with 10 sets of Servitors and 4 TFCs $638

68 Rhinos $2,533

68 Razorbacks $2,805

150 Drop Pods $5,587.5

10 Landraiders $742.5

10 Predators $577.5

10 Whirlwinds $577.5

10 Vindicators $577.5

10 Stormtalons $455

200 Bikes $3,000

20 Attack Bikes $545

20 Landspeeders $600

10 Landspeeder Storms $300

1st company
Captain(TDA) $19.25

4 terminator squads(2 assault and 2 regular) $400

3 Sternguard Squads $135

3 Vanguard Veteran squads $135

4 Venerable Dreadnoughts $185


2nd Company

Captain $22.25

Command Squad $35

6 Tactical Squads $223.5

2 Assault Squads $132

2 Devestator squads(1 dev squad = 1 dev box and 1 combat squad box) $120

2 Dreadnoughts $92.5

3rd Company
Captain $22.25

Command Squad $35

6 Tactical Squads $223.5

2 Assault Squads $132

2 Devestator squads $120

2 Dreadnoughts $92.5

4th Company
Captain $22.25

Command Squad $35

6 Tactical Squads $223.5

2 Assault Squads $132

2 Devestator squads $120

2 Dreadnoughts $92.5


5th Company
Captain $22.25

Command Squad $35

6 Tactical Squads $223.5

2 Assault Squads $132

2 Devestator squads $120

2 Dreadnoughts $92.5

6th Company

Captain $22.25

Command squad $35

10 tactical squads $372.5



7th Company

Captain $22.25

Command squad $35

10 tactical squads $372.5


8th company

Captain $22.25

Command squad $35

10 Assault Squads $660

9th company

Captain $22.25

Command squad $35

10 Devestator squads $600

10th company

Captain $22.25

10 Scout squads $500




Grand Total = $25,499.5



If we add 20 Thunderhawks from Forge World that adds $12,685.80 to the above total(at current exchange rate as of 9:34 pacific time)

Bringing the total with Thunderhawks to $38,185.30

Must Acquire it all!

This would be on my bucket list if I had one. It is my goal for the next few years though. My budget only allows me $100 a month, so it looks like I have a long way to go.

Incientally, a friend and I were talking about this and it looks like I have a cost.

If I ever won the lottery, this is something I would do. Call GW and tell them I want them to send me everything required for a full chapter of my Dark Angels. Not only that I want them to be sculpted with the icons that way I won't have to work with decals.

Good idea.

After reading this thread and the discussion on the points costs of such an endevour, I went away codex in hand and worked out a rough idea

This is based on the Ultramarine Chapter list on P17 of C:SM

For all units I've assumed a roughly balanced mix of weapons etc, cos that's what I would do when collecting them

Command/Armoury
Marneus Calgar
Chaplain Cassius
27 Honour Guard
Master Of The Forge
27 Techmarines (Assuming 10 Thunderfire Cannons)
95 Servitors
25 Predators
8 Vindicators
9 Whirlwinds
13 Land Raiders
Tigurius
5 Epistolaries
9 Librarians
Total Points : 16220

1st Company
Captain
3 Terminator Squads
3 Assault Terminator Squads
2 Vanguard Squads
2 Sternguard Squads
3 Dreadnoughts
Total Points: 4980

2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th Companys (As they are all the same)
Cato Sicarius
3 Captains
4 Command Squads
24 Tactical Squads
8 Assault Squads
8 Devastator Squads
9 Dreadnoughts
2 Razorbacks
16 Rhinos
18 Drop-Pods
Total Cost: 13090

6th, 7th, 8th, 9th Company (Assuming 6 Bike Squads and 10 Land Speeder Squads)
4 Captains
3 Command Squads (As Can't Have Jump Packs)
13 Tactical Squads
6 Bike Squads
10 Land Speeder Squads
5 Assault Squads
10 Devastator Squads
14 Dreadnoughts
23 Rhinos
3 Razorbacks
Total Cost: 14110

10th Company (Assuming 100 Scouts, Half in Bike Squads)
Captain
Command Squad
5 Scout Squads (Inc Telion)
5 Land Speeder Storms
5 Scout Bike Squads
Total Cost: 2720

Plus:
31 Thunderhawks
Total Cost: 28200

Overall Points Cost For The Ultramarine Chapter:
79,320

Just as a rough idea anyway!

best bet dicebucket.com if outside uk, maybe 250-300 bucks but more for ic and power ups


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lol, sorry!! chapter not company. 4-5g w/o vehicles all day long

Now to find a table large enough to hold all of that....

fishy bob wrote:
Go back in time and pick up some of these kits.





Make the Megaforce and the Spearhead look a bit light, don't they.

I remember these. They still look cool.

Prices based on UK site.
Figures based on p17 of SM codex.

Chapter Command
Marneus Calgar - 37.5 (Honour Guard set)
4 Honour Guard - see above
23 Honour Guard - 127.5 (used price of 5 sets of vets)
Cassius - 11
Land Raider - 45
1700 Chapter Equerries and Servitors - say 1000 Equerries (using imperial guard) and 700 Servitors1800 + 3045

Total - £5066

Armoury
Master of the Forge - 13
3 Techmarines - 24.6 (older model)
24 Techmarines - 612 (24 TM and servitor sets)
95 servitors - see above
25 Predators - 875
8 Vindicators - 280
9 Whirlwinds - 315
12 Land Raiders - 540
Sgt Chronus - 11

Total - £2670.6

Apothecarion
13 Apothecaries (fleet or fort based) - 93.6 (older model)

Total - £93.6

Fleet Command
Drop Pods - enough to drop a company (say 12) 8 Strike Cruisers can carry 8 companies so at least 96 pods; 3 Battle Barges can carry 9 companies so at least 108 pods giving at least 204 pods - 4590
31 Thunderhawk gunships - 12369

Total - £16959

Librarius
Tigurius - 11
27 librarians - 256.5

Total - £267.5

1st Company

Captain - 5.125 (1/4 of the MOC boxed set)
Command Squad - 20.5
10 veteran squads - 510
3 Dreadnoughts - 84
Chaplain - 20.5 (Terminator armour)
At least 60 suits of Terminator armour - 336(12 sets)

Total - £976.125

Battle Companies

Sicarius - 11
3 Captains - 15.375 (remainder of MOC set)
4 Command Squads - 82
4 Chaplains - 38
24 Tactical squads - 552
8 Assault squads - 328 (16 sets)
8 Devastator squads - 328
9 Dreadnoughts - 252

Total - £1606.375

Reserve Companies
5 Captains - 70 (commander set)
5 Chaplains - 47.5
4 Command Squads - 82 (none for scouts)
20 Tactical squads - 460
10 Assault squads - 410 (20 sets)
10 Devastator squads - 410
10 Scout squads (arbitrary number) - 310 (20 sets)
14 Dreadnoughts - 392
Sgt Telion - 9.5

Total - £2191

Total - £29,830.2

This figure doesn't include any rhinos, razorbacks, bikes or landspeeders. It also doesn't include thunderfire canons or stormtalons.

For a chapter, minimum of 200 bikes - 1600; 20 attack bikes - 330; 50 landspeeders - 925; 5 LS storms - 92.5; 20 scout bikes - 160; 8 razorbacks - 200; 100 rhinos - 2250; 5 thunderfires - 180; 5 stormtalons - 137.5

Extras Total - £5875

Final Total - £35,705.2

Hmm... Just short of £36k, think I'd better start saving up!

I think Lord Kesharq wrote something like this for the Sliver Knights chapter.


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fishy bob wrote:
Go back in time and pick up some of these kits.





Make the Megaforce and the Spearhead look a bit light, don't they.

The Battle Company was good value. I recall the price being such that the razorback and 8 rhinos were pretty much free.
The Spear was the same price as the models sold individually. I recently came across an old discussion moaning about this fact.




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The other thing about the spear, I believe they doubled some of the squads with editing software rather than painting up new ones.

I have just worked out i have enough marines for the 2nd company and half way to having a first company, not bad for a few weeks of collecting models!

Admittedly, I think all the GW outriders were involved in this but still...



Worryingly, with my own models, I did a rough guesstimate and worked out I should already own the equivalent of the Blood Ravens first company and possible 2 and a half other companies.

Admittedly, the vast majority of that is in my 'to do' pile....

That. Is. EPICALLY. Cool

 Ronin wrote:
I don't even want to think about how much that's going to cost in Australian dollars.

Oh god... I think I need to sit down...

It would be something in the region of maybe $40-70,000

A basic tactical company, with 1st and 10th company detachments, and armory, by my number crunching, runs $2,386.25 USD at full retail.

However, a companies worth of only the infantry/character models in a Tactical Company is only about $525 full retail. That's not so bad. It's the fully decked out armory that kills you.

 redkommando wrote:

If anyone can make a SM chapter, then they are the god of wargaming. If i'm not mistaken, there is not a single complete chapter out there.

Incorrect, there is a Norwegeen guy that did the ENTIRE blood angels chapter, and a titan

I know for sure he wasn't Norwegian. I believe he was Polish. It may have been another eastern Euro country, but I am almost certain it was Poland. Yes, he had a giant ORANGE Blood Angel chapter that he used to paint while taking the train to his store (which he owned). It was very impressive when viewed as a company, but, as I recall, was pretty tabletop standard when you looked up close. An impressive feat, nevertheless!!!

I know I have that White Dwarf laying around somewhere.

Not makein this up the old store manager of my flgs is currently building the entire bloodangles chapter last i talkted to him he has 2 or 3 full companys