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in general, do i want them on my leman russes and chimera?

 Jarl Marius wrote:
in general, do i want them on my leman russes and chimera?

Not really. There are better places to spend those 10pts. If it's a vetsquad in a chimera for example, you could buy an Autocannon instead, and that essentially gives you a pintle mounted autocannon, which is WAY more useful, and that's if you're talking upgrades for things that would help the chimera. Those 10pts could go to giving your CCS a melta for "just in case", a vox for a blob and a CCS you know you'll be doing orders with a lot, or any number of things.

That's why you'll see IG players look at anything that's not a gun as a waste of points. Because with IG, literally every point counts. Simply put, we can bring so much firepower it causes other armies to weep tears of rage. We make our army scary by taking so many weapons that they just can't be shut down. Why bother spending 30pts on vox units, when I could buy 3 autocannons instead? Why bother with krak grenades when I could get that squad a meltagun instead? Why bother throwing heavy bolter sponsons on the russ, when that could get me a lascannon in a squad instead? Etc.

I will say though, a pair of voxes probably won't break your list. It's when you start taking them on every single unit that they really start to screw you over. Because if you're not careful, you can easily sink 50+points into trying to make a comprehensive vox network.

Which is really the biggest thing to watch with IG. We have so many upgrades available for each squad it's mind boggling. It takes a lot of self restraint to take only what you need. Because if you're not careful, all of the sudden your CCS has a medic, a standard, 2 plasma guns, 2 body guards, an astropath and officer of the fleet, carapace armor and camo cloaks, and a commander with fist, plasma pistol and melta bombs. Check out some of the "competitive" IG lists. Simply put, it's insane how much firepower an IG player can pack in when they set their minds to it. I guarantee you, if it's an upgrade, it IS a gun. It will also have lots of "copy paste", where the guy took a squad, multiplied it by 3, and then moved on to the next unit. It's just how this army works.

Remember, if you take 3 units to do a job:
1. The first will die, horribly.
2. The second will whiff, horribly, then die.
3. The third will probably pull it off, if only because you've used up all your allotted potential for failure for that turn.

alright!, with that in mind i try to build a list!
in a squad of 20 infantry, is it any use to take a comissar?
and is it worth giving him a power fist?

Unfortunately, regular commissars cant take fists. As for whether he's needed in a 20 man blob. Probably not. You can get a regimental standard on your CCS that will do his job almost as well for much cheaper, and affect multiple units.

Although I will admit, I still take them at time's out of nostalgia's sake, I don't really feel like I need them much anymore. Rerolling LD 8 is close enough to rerolling LD 9 that I don't really miss it.

ah ok, but they are so cool!
i'll see how they work out, think i take one in it for coolness rating

There are much worse things you could take.

Just make sure you're making the most of his abilities. People constantly whine about challenges and precise shooting, but I've found in practice that it's not quite as common as one would think, especially in friendly games. Give him a power axe/mace, and throw a couple maces on your sarges, and you have a decently cheap unit to protect your tanks from assaults and slow down the charger for a couple of turns.

Just don't go charging across the board with em.

 Jarl Marius wrote:

i'll see how they work out, think i take one in it for coolness rating

Careful; those words are unfortunately the downfall of many a guard player. One or two "I took them for awesomes" is fine; but if one isn't careful, they can find themselves with a pile of scout sentinels, a Leman Russ punisher, and a squad of Ogryn because they are cool; and viola, your list is broken.

i try to make sure i don get tempted to that!
im only on 2 sniper special wep squads end a commissar
rest is dedicated to shooting the hell out of the opponent in a cheap way !

You know what's cooler than a commissar? Two plasma guns and a flamer.

flamers i have, but i only have one plasma gun, and that one is going with the vets

 Jarl Marius wrote:
flamers i have, but i only have one plasma gun, and that one is going with the vets

lol I was making a (clearly poor) joke. The two plasmas and flamer add up to the same points as the commissar.

The joke kinda folds under the spot light, huh?

well, tbh i think 2 plasma and a flamer is better then a commissar, but i need more plasma en meltas, and don't know where to get them, for a reasonable price

eBay is the best in my opinion.

Also, this thread, that I've probably linked before because I thought it was so awesome.

^That's an excellent thread for budget special weapons.

Alternatively, if you want to have a vet squad really stand out; I like to use these.

Melta

Plasma

I combined the plasma one with:

This beautiful kit

The resulting squad looked just fantastic. My favorite in my army, as of now.

i try the flamer to melta converstion with the one spare flamer i have!

forgeworld is too expensive for me, since i cant get that for wholesale(?) prices


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it worked out fine i say

okay, i just played a game, and voxcasters are WIN.
not having anything against the assaulting helbrute, was meh

extra meltas it is

What list did you use?

company command with vox and standart and flamer

platoon command with vox

infx30 with flamer and vox

vets with 2 meltas


2 leman russ wit hheavy bolters, lascannon and heavy bolter sponsons

 Jarl Marius wrote:
company command with vox and standart and flamer

platoon command with vox

infx30 with flamer and vox

vets with 2 meltas


2 leman russ wit hheavy bolters, lascannon and heavy bolter sponsons

Pretty crisp list.

Only things I'd touch up are:

Flip the CCS flamer and the PCS vox for another Meltagun for the vets. 3 meltas on vets is a big danger to enemy armor. the PCS doesn't really need to do orders; the CCS has got that covered.

The Leman russes don't really have any use for the extra weapons; they can only fire one ordinance weapon (the cannon) and the others have to snap shoot. Those 70 points will get you a lot of goodies elsewhere (a chimera for those vets, and three more flamers for your infantry squad?)

yes i know about the russes, but the sponsons are glued on by the previoud owner, sadly

they can shoot the main cannon and the lascannon on full ballistic skill right? something to do with lumbering behemoth

 Jarl Marius wrote:
yes i know about the russes, but the sponsons are glued on by the previoud owner, sadly

they can shoot the main cannon and the lascannon on full ballistic skill right? something to do with lumbering behemoth

Peep the FAQ on GW's site. Lumbering Behemoth is gone. Ordinance weapon, and everything else snap shoots :(

I'd take a hobby saw to your sponsons and lascannon, slice 'em at the base, and slap in some magnets. That way you're still WYSIWYG, but you have the choice of sponsons if they ever get good again; and I have hope they will one day.

ah that sucks, too bad i cant get the lascannons out without ruining the tank
sponsons should be possible

Yeah, unfortunately.

On the plus side, if you dump the two hull lascannons, that gets you enough points for three meltaguns. Dump the voxes and the flamer in the CCS, and you've got enough points for a lascannon for that CCS, a lascannon for the PCS (or 4 of some cheaper weapon), and still have enough for a third melta for that vet squad.

The end result is more lascannons AND more melta.

true, that is cool..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IG-Leman-Russ-Heavy-Bolters-/230867284736?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item35c0c33300


are those the right heavy boltersfor the tanks?

 Jarl Marius wrote:
true, that is cool..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IG-Leman-Russ-Heavy-Bolters-/230867284736?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item35c0c33300


are those the right heavy boltersfor the tanks?

Indeed they are.

ordering them now then

one for each tank right?, or are they combinedfor 1 tank?

 Jarl Marius wrote:
ordering them now then

one for each tank right?, or are they combinedfor 1 tank?

you need 1 heavy bolter for each tank; slap those badboys in place of the lascannon.

and the are on their way to me, any idea where i can buy hws autocannons cheap?

 Jarl Marius wrote:
and the are on their way to me, any idea where i can buy hws autocannons cheap?

the holy grail of 40k right there, bud.

Unfortunately, no. Autocannons are in REALLY high demand right now, because there are lots of people out there making hydras and riflemen dreads and the like that are using guard autocannon bitz because they don't have models of their own.

You can get autocannon bitz, but not for really all that cheap anywhere.

Thankfully, most guard lists aren't going to need many autocannons (if any), so you shouldn't have to spend too much on them.