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I've done the maths on that btw, AC's are *slightly*better against all comparable targets when we consider carrier cost on a IS. And by slightly I mean "just a tiny bit", as in neglible.

That's down to whether you want to make your ISs a threat to AV14 or give the points saved onto other things.

Blaggard wrote:I've done the maths on that btw, AC's are *slightly*better against all comparable targets

I saw the math, but didn't see how one would draw that conclusion from said math.

I've recently switched to only running lascannons, and in each of the past 5 games, my lascannons have beaten up stuff that my autocannons never could have. Throw in the fact that they blow up stuff faster (due to being able to wreck vehicles outright and ignoring armor saves on terminators), and the strategic impact has been WAY worth the few dozen extra points to upgrade the autocannons to real guns.

It really, really isn't a case of autocannons kill everything slightly better. It's a case of autocannons killing AV10 better, and then bouncing low-strength/crappy Ap shots off of everything else. Efficiency is a poor substitute for effectiveness.

If anything, what the OP should do is to buy more heavy weapons so that he can get more of the good guns, and then sell off the autocannons at a HUGE markup to someone desperate for a psyfleman.

what heavy weapon squads should i use then?

by the way, if my ccs heavy flamer hits allied units with the template, do thy get damage and if a Leman russ shot scatters on my other units?

 Jarl Marius wrote:
what heavy weapon squads should i use then?

Use Lascannon HWTs in your platoon infantry blob.

I mean, I redid the maths with the carrier costs added in. Haven't posted those but the lines near enough are touching. Against all targets except AV14 the AC is just slightly better, as in neglible.
You've had a good run with LCs, and the lists you've been running mean they fill a roll which would otherwise be lacking. I'm not longer arguing against them but rather arguing for more weapons elsewhere with the savings made.

ah just read the part of lascannons


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 Jarl Marius wrote:

by the way, if my ccs heavy flamer hits allied units with the template, do thy get damage and if a Leman russ shot scatters on my other units?

what about that?

 Jarl Marius wrote:
ah just read the part of lascannons


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 Jarl Marius wrote:

by the way, if my ccs heavy flamer hits allied units with the template, do thy get damage and if a Leman russ shot scatters on my other units?

what about that?

Actually not sure about the heavy flamer part (though I wouldn't advice on putting your Warlord anywhere close enough to use a heavy flamer) but the Leman russ bit, yes. If it scatters onto your dudes, they take the hit.

20 points for a heavy flamer isn't too hot though;

I'd actually use those 20 points and throw 4 flamers on a PCS. 4 flamers will do insanely more than 1 heavy flamer, and by putting it on a CCS, you not only make a mediocre squad pretty killy, but keep your warlord safe(r).

Get autocannons and lascannons. Try both, figure out which you like better. You'll inevitably need some of each, but you'll figure out which weapon you prefer pretty quickly.

People on here seem to be split right down the middle as to what the "superior" heavy weapon is. Truth be told, you cant go wrong with either.

And good luck finding cheap autocannons man, we've all been there.

One thing you could do is take your heavy bolters, take a small plastic tube and add it to the end, and change the ammo box to look more like an autocannon drum mag. The heavy weapon boxes come with extra autocannon mags, and that would let you get 6 autocannons per box if you're clever and decent at conversions.

I don't think you can put templates on your own units intentionally. only exception to that is if shooting out of a transport then it doesn't count as a hit (as long as it isn't blast). If they scatter then you take the hits.

blast i already thought so, we played like that, but i thought maybe you could fire a flamer trough your own squad, since you can always shoot trough your own units with bolters/lasguns, in the rulebook it states that they move out of the way or something

and having the flamer on the frontline makes him die fast

Blaggard wrote:I don't think you can put templates on your own units intentionally.

Yeah, this. I'm pretty sure that includes allies, but maybe it doesn't. After all, it says to treat them like enemy units (for non-battle-brothers).

As for cheap autocannons, if you're talking about wanting to take them on vehicles, you don't really need autocannons. Aluminum tubing can be found at any hardware store, and it's pretty easy to make autocannon barrels out of it.

i wanted some to to take in heavy weapon squad, but i think i'll just buy another box, dont feel like putting a lot of efford in saving a few euros


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i removed the side sponson of my tanks, sadly there is a hole behind it, where you can glue a hatch over, but i dont have those hatches :(
and cant find em on ebay either

anyone knows where to get them?

For really cheap hws I saw a guy use four matchsticks covered with surgical gauze with just a barrel of a gun poking out, an IG gun pit.

since i bought a baselisk i have less need for some heavy weapon squads..

i have the following problem; removed the side sponson of my tanks, sadly there is a hole behind it, where you can glue a hatch over, but i dont have those hatches :(
and cant find em on ebay either

and im wondering what the best loadout for chimeras is

just cut a little square of plasticard out and glue it over the hole. Won't be that noticeable once you've got paint on it.

 Jarl Marius wrote:
since i bought a baselisk i have less need for some heavy weapon squads..

i have the following problem; removed the side sponson of my tanks, sadly there is a hole behind it, where you can glue a hatch over, but i dont have those hatches :(
and cant find em on ebay either

and im wondering what the best loadout for chimeras is

look for the hatches on bits sites, i used the winged skull plates from an old and wrecked chimera to hide my port holes.

best load out for chimera?

camping: hull heavy bolter

assault: hull heavy flamer.

my friend was upset when he built his GK chimera with a heavy bolter turret, though better ap I pointed out it had a harder time hurting the tougher guys, who usually have better armour. anyway. EVERYONE gets a save against the ML though

doesnt he sell his ML?
and what bit sites are near the netherlands?

Oh crap you've got the older style russes. Good luck with that man. I bought 4 of em off ebay not too long ago, and thankfully that got me enough hatches to solve my problem, but I don't have any spares otherwise I'd send them to you.

Probably best to just make your own or repurpose some other hatch off of say a vehicle upgrade sprue or something.

yes it sucks big time, could you take a look if you can find them on ebay? my ebay search skills are low
couldnt find any
otherwise i think i have to improvise

 Jarl Marius wrote:
yes it sucks big time, could you take a look if you can find them on ebay? my ebay search skills are low
couldnt find any
otherwise i think i have to improvise

Look for 'imperial guard vehicle bitz"

People tend to sell baggies of old bitz occassionally, and these oftentimes will have hatches, old spotlights, the old hunter killer missiles (which look awesome) and other cool bitz and bobs. That would probably be your best bet.

Haven't seen one in a while though...

meh, impossible to find, and multilasers i can only find the new(?) version, the other version i cannot find.

is it any use to post it in the swap shop? or will i have no luck?

 Jarl Marius wrote:
meh, impossible to find, and multilasers i can only find the new(?) version, the other version i cannot find.

is it any use to post it in the swap shop? or will i have no luck?

Can't hurt. I'm about to do the same once I figure out all the bitz I need for some conversions to make my tanks look older

true, ill make a post about it!

 Jarl Marius wrote:
meh, impossible to find, and multilasers i can only find the new(?) version, the other version i cannot find.

is it any use to post it in the swap shop? or will i have no luck?

Plasticard, brah.

hm is it any good to buy a second baselisk?

 Jarl Marius wrote:
hm is it any good to buy a second baselisk?

Yes.

(The answer to any IG "is it good to buy X tank" question is always yes.)

 Jarl Marius wrote:
hm is it any good to buy a second baselisk?

If you want more artillery, sure.

alright, that was easy

i love pounding enemy's down with artillery

 Peregrine wrote:

 Jarl Marius wrote:
hm is it any good to buy a second baselisk?

Yes.

(The answer to any IG "is it good to buy X tank" question is always yes.)

Unless said tank is an eradicator.

If you're taking one of those, then there is no saving you.

i dont have the codex here at work, what was the eradicator again?