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 Sigvatr wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:
Umm, they DID put the emperor in a dreadnought.

The problem is that the dreadnought is so big that it's immobile, but it's still a dreadnought.

I just imagined the Golden Throne going Megazord

I just imagined Terra transforming Unicron style with the Emp powering it.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

shamroll wrote:

Also, being a dreadnought is not perfect. Mental capacity degrades over time if I remember right. The last thing the Imperium needs is an Emperor with Alzheimers.

The confinement in the dreadnought is what does that. not the dreadnought itself. Imagine spending hundreds, or thousands of years locked in a cabinet, lol.

The Golden Throne is probably worse than any dreadnought.

Dreadnoughts are on "standby" between missions and are activated only for a short time before the mission to perform the preparation rites. SO you do not have the feeling of being locked for a thousand years in a locker.

Chaos used to keep their Dreadnoughts active between missions, chained in the bowels of their ships - that's the reason for their "Crazy" rule.

Is it really like a locker? Cause since they are locked inside it completely I'd imagine it's more like stuck inside an outhouse.

Same reason they didn't give Winston Churchill an airgun and drop him off on D-Day.

We gave Theodore Roosevelt a gun and released him on the Spanish. Last I checked there were no more Spanish.

Though I haven't been looking too hard.

Savageconvoy wrote:We gave Theodore Roosevelt a gun and released him on the Spanish. Last I checked there were no more Spanish.

Though I haven't been looking too hard.

No, you're right. I just checked my atlas, and while I could see a nice outline of the country and a bunch of names of things, I couldn't actually see any pictures of people.

Then I went to the wikipedia page on spain. It tells the sad story of how TR reduced the entire country to a desolate wasteland, still depopulated to this day. It makes me feel kind of guilty as an american that we had someone so badass that they could ruin a whole country like that. Well... but maybe not.

doctorludo wrote:
Same reason they didn't give Winston Churchill an airgun and drop him off on D-Day.

The story that Hitler killed himself in his bunker is a lie. Desperate last-minute Nazi propaganda, to hide the fact that Winston Churchill broke into his bunker and bludgeoned him to death with a mango. (He ran out of airgun bullets at Bastogne)

 Savageconvoy wrote:
We gave Theodore Roosevelt a gun and released him on the Spanish. Last I checked there were no more Spanish.

Though I haven't been looking too hard.

So that's why I can't find good tapas anymore. Dang it Teddy, you couldn't have saved a chef or something?

For the prophecy of the Starchild to be fulfilled, the Emperor must die, or so the Farseers say.

 Autarch Fiallathandirel wrote:
For the prophecy of the Starchild to be fulfilled, the Emperor must die, or so the Farseers say.

I just imagine someone unplugging the Golden Throne and the Emperor fading away as Demons begin swarming Earth.

Meanwhile Eldrad is just laughing to himself while yelling "I can't believe they feel for that."

 Savageconvoy wrote:

 Autarch Fiallathandirel wrote:
For the prophecy of the Starchild to be fulfilled, the Emperor must die, or so the Farseers say.

I just imagine someone unplugging the Golden Throne and the Emperor fading away as Demons begin swarming Earth.

Meanwhile Eldrad is just laughing to himself while yelling "I can't believe they feel for that."

Cypher!

 Savageconvoy wrote:

 Autarch Fiallathandirel wrote:
For the prophecy of the Starchild to be fulfilled, the Emperor must die, or so the Farseers say.

I just imagine someone unplugging the Golden Throne and the Emperor fading away as Demons begin swarming Earth.

Meanwhile Eldrad is just laughing to himself while yelling "I can't believe they feel for that."

Poor Eldrad can't do anything right now, his soul is stuck in the warp , hopefully still whole. I'd like to think it was a Biel Tan Farseer who told them to do it since they hate humans. Either way isn't the Golden Throne failing anyway? Unless those Mars worshipers find a way to fix it the Imperium is in trouble...

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:Page 146'th of 6'th edition codex:
"Broadcast from Holy Terra by a choir of psykers and focused by Emperor's will, this beacon reaches through Warp space allowing Navigators to follow its guiding light or plot courses through the directionless murk of endless Chaos"
Page 176:
"The Light Grows Dim" - It is theorized that the light of Astronomican is dimming because delays and losses amongst the Black Ships.
Conclusion: Emperor is no longer powering up Astronomican - thousands of psykers fo that now. He is mealy guiding it's light.

From the same book:

"Today, as for every day since that battle, the Emperor lives only by the immeasurable force of his supreme will. The statis fields and psi-fusion reactors of the machine known as the Golden Throne preserve his broken and decayed body; his great mind endures inside a rotting carcass, kept alive by the mysteries of ancient technology."
- page 137

I recommend you read the timeline more carefully. The light grows dim because, as per the same page 176 you mentioned above, it is discovered that the Golden Throne suffers from growing failures beyond the Mechanicus' ability to repair.
Thus I believe the correct conclusion would be: The Emperor is dying, but he is not yet dead. It is all part of the eternal stalemate where change, if it ever occurs, would come only with the beginning of the 42nd millennium. Large parts of the timeline serve merely to build up tension because something big is happening in 999.M41 - either the 13th Black Crusade itself, or something the Black Crusade is a part of.

The emperor is the galaxy's strongest psyker
Tho the emperor is dead his psykik will (aka the god emperor)
Is still living.....

 Lynata wrote:

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:Page 146'th of 6'th edition codex:
"Broadcast from Holy Terra by a choir of psykers and focused by Emperor's will, this beacon reaches through Warp space allowing Navigators to follow its guiding light or plot courses through the directionless murk of endless Chaos"
Page 176:
"The Light Grows Dim" - It is theorized that the light of Astronomican is dimming because delays and losses amongst the Black Ships.
Conclusion: Emperor is no longer powering up Astronomican - thousands of psykers fo that now. He is mealy guiding it's light.

From the same book:

"Today, as for every day since that battle, the Emperor lives only by the immeasurable force of his supreme will. The statis fields and psi-fusion reactors of the machine known as the Golden Throne preserve his broken and decayed body; his great mind endures inside a rotting carcass, kept alive by the mysteries of ancient technology."
- page 137

I recommend you read the timeline more carefully. The light grows dim because, as per the same page 176 you mentioned above, it is discovered that the Golden Throne suffers from growing failures beyond the Mechanicus' ability to repair.
Thus I believe the correct conclusion would be: The Emperor is dying, but he is not yet dead. It is all part of the eternal stalemate where change, if it ever occurs, would come only with the beginning of the 42nd millennium. Large parts of the timeline serve merely to build up tension because something big is happening in 999.M41 - either the 13th Black Crusade itself, or something the Black Crusade is a part of.

With the in setting theory of what would happen after he dies, it can be considered something to look forward to and perhaps an interesting arc for the setting itself should things start to feel stale.

The Emperor is kept on the Golden Throne so that he can be kept alive. A Space Marine is put in a Dreadnought so that he can continue to battle for the Imperium, not so that he can stay alive. If anything, continuing to battle for the Imperium would shorten your lifespan, not prolong it.

The Emperor going out to the battlefield would put him in tremendous danger of being killed, as another said, "by a stray krak missile."

And seeing as he's the one thing preventing the Warp from overtaking the Empire right now, it would probably be unwise for that reason. Also, it might divide his attention from the important work of keeping the Daemons of the Warp from overrunning the Imperium. The Dreadnought idea doesn't serve that purpose.

I think the Golden Toilet would be too big. An unusually large titan might work.

the does enough from his location already. story goes mid battle wax insignias and blessings will glow and holy power armor will burn demons as lasgun fire will magicly hit its target

 Lynata wrote:

I recommend you read the timeline more carefully. The light grows dim because, as per the same page 176 you mentioned above, it is discovered that the Golden Throne suffers from growing failures beyond the Mechanicus' ability to repair.

But how when they also mentioned that Astronomicon is powered by thousands of psykers, and that Emperor is mealy guiding it's light?
And didn't the Astronomicon existed during the time of Great Crusade and even before it?

Maybe the Emperor is giving him a little more boost, so when he die the Astronomicon will light maybe 30.000 light years instead of 50.000?

n0t_u wrote:With the in setting theory of what would happen after he dies, it can be considered something to look forward to and perhaps an interesting arc for the setting itself should things start to feel stale.

Indeed. I still don't believe we will ever see it, but ... who knows, eternity is a long time.

Lots of stuff that could happen. The dialogue between the four Inquisitors in the eponymous RPG's main rulebook alone provides sufficient potential.

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:But how when they also mentioned that Astronomicon is powered by thousands of psykers, and that Emperor is mealy guiding it's light?

As far as I understand that thing to work, the Emperor acts like some sort of focus for the torrents of psychic energy unleashed by the mass sacrifice. The Astronomican is still His Will alone, now he just needs an "outside energy source" to keep it burning. I don't think consuming Psykers was even necessary before his internment in the Golden Throne, though I may be mistaken. For the time being, I see the 1k Psykers per day like some sort of infusion to keep his abilities running on max power. Obviously, that does not work so well anymore by the end of M41.

Tamper with either the amount of Psykers sacrificed, or the Golden Throne (and thus the Emperor's ability to "make use" of the sacrifices), and the Astronomican will suffer.

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:And didn't the Astronomicon existed during the time of Great Crusade and even before it?

At least during the Great Crusade, I think, as the Imperial ships require it for navigating. Before ... well, why would you build a light house as long as you don't have any ships?

I vaguely recall something about the Emperor also having had some particularly powerful Psyker as a confidant that would occasionally take his place in the palace and keep the Astronomican running, enabling the Emperor to actually go around and meet people (like the Primarchs). It's just that nobody but the Emperor was able to endure it for long.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
We gave Theodore Roosevelt a gun and released him on the Spanish. Last I checked there were no more Spanish.

Though I haven't been looking too hard.

Technically, Teddy Roosevelt raised a warband of like minded militarily incompetent jackasses and went screaming off to go join the US invasion of Cuba. The end result was him only avoiding slaughter due to the intervention of the real US Army. Unfortunately for the truth, Roosevelt's band were largely carried by a pair of all black regiments, so cultural mythology chose to ignore their contributions and give Roosevelt the credit.

If the Emperor was put into a dreadnought, where would the Grey Knights get their Psycannon Ammo from?

It has been noted in some Imperial sources that the ammunition for the Inquisition's Psycannons and Psyk-out Grenades derive their anti-psychic effect from being impregnated with extremely rare negative psychic energy; the only known source of this energy being the byproducts of the Emperor's metabolism removed daily by the Golden Throne. Other Imperial sources note that the Inquisition has discovered this energy can also be produced from the rendered-down bodies of the Sensei.

No more excrement for the excrement god.

FormlessDragon wrote:No more excrement for the excrement god.

That's where the Grey Knights' newest vehicle comes into play.

FormlessDragon wrote:
If the Emperor was put into a dreadnought, where would the Grey Knights get their Psycannon Ammo from?

It has been noted in some Imperial sources that the ammunition for the Inquisition's Psycannons and Psyk-out Grenades derive their anti-psychic effect from being impregnated with extremely rare negative psychic energy; the only known source of this energy being the byproducts of the Emperor's metabolism removed daily by the Golden Throne. Other Imperial sources note that the Inquisition has discovered this energy can also be produced from the rendered-down bodies of the Sensei.

No more excrement for the excrement god.

Aren't the Sensei the Emperors blood children?

If so the Inquisition would have a lot to answer for, if he got better and found out.

Id say an Emperor-Class titan would be better suited to the purpose

FenixZero wrote:

FormlessDragon wrote:
If the Emperor was put into a dreadnought, where would the Grey Knights get their Psycannon Ammo from?

It has been noted in some Imperial sources that the ammunition for the Inquisition's Psycannons and Psyk-out Grenades derive their anti-psychic effect from being impregnated with extremely rare negative psychic energy; the only known source of this energy being the byproducts of the Emperor's metabolism removed daily by the Golden Throne. Other Imperial sources note that the Inquisition has discovered this energy can also be produced from the rendered-down bodies of the Sensei.

No more excrement for the excrement god.

Aren't the Sensei the Emperors blood children?

If so the Inquisition would have a lot to answer for, if he got better and found out.

I believe it is well known that he can't get better. Yes the sensi are his children, however they could give their bodies over to the inquisition willingly, or they could be cloning their cells to reproduce more tissue for ammunition.