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2012/11/17 02:28:47
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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This is probably a stupid question (I haven't read the SM codex yet), but why don't the put the emperor in a dread? That's what they do with other mortally wounded space marines who are to important to be granted death (I read this on the GW site). Dreads seem to be a smaller, combat able version of the golden throne. You could still sacrifice oodles of pysers to him to kep him alive, and in turn, he could kill stuff to.
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"Archon Yulliptidon sat apon a throne made of polished glass, which gleamed with magnificence in the rays of the dying suns, beautifully suspended above the the many razor sharp peaks that where Commorragh. The archon held within his hands a a delicate pyramid of sculpted crystal, from which emitted a faint glow, an echo of the soundless screams of pain belonging to countless tortured souls forever trapped within. The room in which the archon sat in was something like a throne room, but displayed apon the walls where helm of every color, but all the same in size and shape. Some bore eagles on their foreheads, and others still contained the decapitated heads of their previous owners. Two huge, beautifully carved iron double doors, engraved with intricate runes of pain and suffering, opened at the far end of the room, to reveal a tall, elegant dark eldar warrior, clad in armor made from bone and flesh. "lord Yulliptidon, you asked for my presence?" Said the arrival, " to what do I owe the pleasure?". The archon raised his elongated head, skin as pale as a full moon, eyes as vivid as a horrible nightmare. " I did not ask for you, Thrayon, I ordered your presence. Do not think to much for your self, for truly, you are not much past a feral that one would find on the streets. As for why I have ordered you to my palace, it is because their is a task that I wish you to preform. I wish you and you kabal to cleanse the imperial out fort of Sargosain Gastienagan." Thrayon was both aghast and interested at what the archon had just said. "Such a task would stretch my kabal to its limits, only a great reward would be enough to do a deed like this." Yulliptidon was outraged by the the proposal of a "great reward" by Thrayon, but did not let his anger show, hiding it with a cold smile that hid his evil intentions surprisingly well. The archon was was famous for never telling a lie in his life, but was very fond of veiled double speak, and this was no exception. "Do not worry, Thrayon, you shall receive what you deserve." Thrayon, happy with this outcome, left to carry out Yulliptidons task. Little did he know what was coming. Thrayon had done a thousand evil deeds, and what he deserved was a horrible death equal to to all those he had caused. Yulliptidons smiled. He was going to have fun."
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2012/11/17 02:39:37
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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I don't think it'd be very good for the Imperium if their immortal savior gets blown up by a stray krak missile.
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2012/11/17 02:48:38
Subject: Re:Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Bane Lord Tartar Sauce
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There are a few reasons. The first is that the Emperors wounds aren't just physical, but also mental. The second is that he is powering the Golden Throne, which in turn lights the Astronomicon, which is essentially a lighthouse for the entire galaxy, without which human warp travel would be even less reliable then it already is (which would effectively reduce the Imperiums ability to travel through space to that of the Tau Empire, namely by briefly dipping in and out of the warp rather than going entirely through it). This machine is far more powerful, and far larger, than a dreadnought shell could contain.
So in short, the emperor has wounds beyond mere physical wounds, and the Golden Throne serves an entirely different purpose than a Dreadnought Body.
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2012/11/17 02:56:46
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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He needs to remain on the Golden Throne to keep the collapsed Imperial Webway shut or daemons will overrun Terra.
That and the Throne's whats keeping him alive.
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2012/11/17 03:07:12
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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A dreadnought might not be able to interface with the Emperors physiology. If a Primarch's body is as different from a Space Marine's body as a Space Marine is to a normal human, the Emperor is probably even more complex than a Primarch. This huge difference could mean that a dreadnought body might not be able to even do anything for the Emperor. Like trying to run a modern computer program on an Apple 2e.
Also, being a dreadnought is not perfect. Mental capacity degrades over time if I remember right. The last thing the Imperium needs is an Emperor with Alzheimers.
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2012/11/17 04:03:06
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Huge Hierodule
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I give it three generations before this is a plastic kit.
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2012/11/17 04:22:19
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Knowing GW it would have more firepower than a Titan, move as a flier, and make Landraiders troops.
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I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."
"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
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2012/11/17 12:25:15
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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 Savageconvoy wrote:Knowing GW it would have more firepower than a Titan, move as a flier, and make Landraiders troops.
This super fantastic pack contains The Big E in a Dreadnought - an exquisite finely detailed resin failcast kit that comes in five components and is supplied with a 60mm round base. This miniature is supplied unpainted and requires assembly - we recommend using our overpriced Citadel Super Glue and Citadel Paints!
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2012/11/17 13:16:44
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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shamroll wrote:
Also, being a dreadnought is not perfect. Mental capacity degrades over time if I remember right. The last thing the Imperium needs is an Emperor with Alzheimers.
The confinement in the dreadnought is what does that. not the dreadnought itself. Imagine spending hundreds, or thousands of years locked in a cabinet, lol.
The Golden Throne is probably worse than any dreadnought.
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2012/11/17 13:55:10
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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 Zande4 wrote: Savageconvoy wrote:Knowing GW it would have more firepower than a Titan, move as a flier, and make Landraiders troops.
This super fantastic pack contains The Big E in a Dreadnought - an exquisite finely detailed resin failcast kit that comes in five components and is supplied with a 60mm round base. This miniature is supplied unpainted and requires assembly - we recommend using our overpriced Citadel Super Glue and Citadel Paints!
Yet you own 8 armies.
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2012/11/17 15:32:47
Subject: Re:Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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RegalPhantom wrote:The first is that the Emperors wounds aren't just physical, but also mental. The second is that he is powering the Golden Throne, which in turn lights the Astronomicon, which is essentially a lighthouse for the entire galaxy, without which human warp travel would be even less reliable then it already is (which would effectively reduce the Imperiums ability to travel through space to that of the Tau Empire, namely by briefly dipping in and out of the warp rather than going entirely through it). This changed in 6'th edition fluff, he is not powering Astronomicon - he is nearly guiding it's light. Astrnomicon is powered by sacrifice of several thousands psykers per day and the reason why it's light is fading is because increased raids on Black Ships. This machine is far more powerful, and far larger, than a dreadnought shell could contain.
 rems01 wrote:He needs to remain on the Golden Throne to keep the collapsed Imperial Webway shut or daemons will overrun Terra.
These are the main reason why it couldn't be done.
And even if it could he is to big for a Dreadnought.
Emperor could only be put in Imperator Titan giving his size. Now, wouldn't that be funny thing 
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 The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!
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2012/11/17 15:34:06
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Dreadnoughts do not work with dead people.
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2012/11/17 15:34:32
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!
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2012/11/17 15:45:22
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Depends on whether you believe the cold, hard truth or the lies humanity is being fed.
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2012/11/17 15:49:48
Subject: Re:Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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From when I used to play 2nd Ed, the feeling fluff wise was always that his body was dead, as it was a rotten corpse held in stasis, however his soul was fully protected and preserved.
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2012/11/17 15:50:24
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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 Sigvatr wrote: Depends on whether you believe the cold, hard truth or the lies humanity is being fed.
The truth is what official lore is telling us: -Astronomicon is still used as a guiding light. -Imperial Webway is still blocked. -Imperial Taroth is still working. -Sisters of Battle still receive Acts of Faith. And that is from official lore, not Imperial propaganda.
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The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!
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2012/11/17 16:00:52
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Brother Captain Alexander wrote:Sisters of Battle still receive Acts of Faith.
Granted, that one does not seem to have to do much with the Emperor per se, given the Codex fluff.
However, your line about the truth being what we are told is quite correct. There just isn't anything in GW's books about the Emperor being dead - what we learn is that his body is a dessicated shell, which is quite in line with the dialogue in GW's Inquisitor RPG rulebook, of a scene shortly after the Emperor's death, about his spirit being "stuck" between this world and the next. In essence, his broken body, supported by the Golden Throne, acts like an anchor for his soul. He cannot move on and is trapped on this plane, which would also prevent his rebirth.
The 6E rulebook was fairly clear about that, too, I think.
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2012/11/17 16:02:46
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
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So how did the emperor light the astronomicon prior to his interment in it?
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2012/11/17 16:18:11
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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 NecronLord3 wrote:So how did the emperor light the astronomicon prior to his interment in it?
He just sat in it. It worked a lot better because he was, you know, still breathing.
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What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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2012/11/17 16:26:44
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Page 146'th of 6'th edition codex:
"Broadcast from Holy Terra by a choir of psykers and focused by Emperor's will, this beacon reaches through Warp space allowing Navigators to follow its guiding light or plot courses through the directionless murk of endless Chaos"
Page 176:
"The Light Grows Dim" - It is theorized that the light of Astronomican is dimming because delays and losses amongst the Black Ships.
Conclusion: Emperor is no longer powering up Astronomican - thousands of psykers fo that now. He is mealy guiding it's light.
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The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!
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2012/11/17 16:41:03
Subject: Re:Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Huge Hierodule
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 shamroll wrote:A dreadnought might not be able to interface with the Emperors physiology. If a Primarch's body is as different from a Space Marine's body as a Space Marine is to a normal human, the Emperor is probably even more complex than a Primarch. This huge difference could mean that a dreadnought body might not be able to even do anything for the Emperor. Like trying to run a modern computer program on an Apple 2e.
The Emperor is only a man. An incredibly powerful psyker, but a man all the same. His physiology is no different from any other human being.
And before anyone replies with the whole "then why is he so big?" thing, it's because he is able to cloud the minds of people around him to make them think he looks like that. It's all a veil of psychic energy that makes him look more physically impressive than he actually is.
P.S. The reason the Emperor isn't in a Dreadnought is because his wounds were not just physical, but mental. He also needed to power the Golden Throne to prevent Terra being overwhelmed by the powers of Chaos and allow for Warp travel for the rest of the Imperium.
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2012/11/17 17:16:13
Subject: Re:Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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ive asked this aswell
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Don't tell people how to do things, tell them what to do and let them surprise you with their results.
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2012/11/17 17:17:25
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Coolyo294 wrote:I don't think it'd be very good for the Imperium if their immortal savior gets blown up by a stray krak missile.
Quoted for lols. This really tickled me, I don't know why.
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
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2012/11/17 17:21:00
Subject: Re:Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Fireknife Shas'el
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 Darth Bob wrote:The Emperor is only a man. An incredibly powerful psyker, but a man all the same. His physiology is no different from any other human being.
And before anyone replies with the whole "then why is he so big?" thing, it's because he is able to cloud the minds of people around him to make them think he looks like that. It's all a veil of psychic energy that makes him look more physically impressive than he actually is.
I will never get it out of my head that the Emp is just Stephen Hawking and he is stuck on the Golden Throne because it doesn't have wheels. Damn you for making me think thats funny!
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I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."
"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
-Tom Kirby |
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2012/11/17 17:27:13
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 Brother Captain Alexander wrote: Sigvatr wrote:
Depends on whether you believe the cold, hard truth or the lies humanity is being fed.
The truth is what official lore is telling us:
-Astronomicon is still used as a guiding light.
-Imperial Webway is still blocked.
-Imperial Taroth is still working.
-Sisters of Battle still receive Acts of Faith.
And that is from official lore, not Imperial propaganda.
Official lore coming from...
...forces of the empire of men!
Do not let yourself be fooled! Mankind might prolong its existance for a few more decades if they choose to face the truth instead of being spoon-fed lies about the "emperor".
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2012/11/17 17:33:10
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Why don't they spell check?
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2012/11/17 17:38:01
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Same can be told for every other codex and lore then.
Maybe Necrons don't have millions of Tomb Wolrds, maybe that paragraph is just part of well written Necron propaganda.
Maybe even the truly united Orks cannot overrun the galaxy, no matter if their codex says so - because that may be the part of carefully calculated Ork propaganda.
Official lore is written from Human perspective, because we are Humans. But only fool can't see the difference between true Imperial propaganda and clear facts. And clear fats is that the Emperor is still alive, hence even non-Imperial codexes are saying that.
And no matter how you see it - Mankind would be extinct without the protection of the Emperor and his Imperium. It would fall prey to countless threats assailing it.
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The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!
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2012/11/17 18:46:58
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Umm, they DID put the emperor in a dreadnought.
The problem is that the dreadnought is so big that it's immobile, but it's still a dreadnought.
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2012/11/17 19:12:43
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Brother Captain Alexander wrote: And no matter how you see it - Mankind would be extinct without the protection of the Emperor and his Imperium. It would fall prey to countless threats assailing it.
Mankind will fall prey to the Nightbringer anyway....we don't care for whether demons invade Terra or not. As long as any life is extinguished, we win. Denying the truth will not help either...the end will come. We waited for millions of years. A few more won't matter.  Ailaros wrote:Umm, they DID put the emperor in a dreadnought. The problem is that the dreadnought is so big that it's immobile, but it's still a dreadnought.
I just imagined the Golden Throne going Megazord
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2012/11/17 19:17:42
Subject: Why don't they put the emeror in a dreadnorght?
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Sigvatr wrote: Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
And no matter how you see it - Mankind would be extinct without the protection of the Emperor and his Imperium. It would fall prey to countless threats assailing it.
Mankind will fall prey to the Nightbringer anyway....
He doesn't exist, its just propaganda y'know.
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