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2012/12/11 19:02:50
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Fixture of Dakka
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I gave every peace loving Bronies dream answer of better locks and you go with Frazz!
I hear the ration healthcare in Canada.
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 Avatar 720 wrote:You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
I have conceded that the Eldar page I started in P&M is their legitimate home. Free Candy! Updated 10/19.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
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2012/12/11 19:34:42
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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AustonT wrote:I gave every peace loving Bronies dream answer of better locks and you go with Frazz!
I hear the ration healthcare in Canada.
Peace is a desert.
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2012/12/11 20:26:54
Subject: Re:I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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See if you can get some of these. If the cops come by deny any knowledge of a burgler on your property, make sure you clean up any suspicious stains that aforementioned scum may have left when he got turned into mist.
This.
Why would you ever want to use reasonable force when you can use UNreasonable force and scare everyone away from ever trying again? Kill the intruder as messily and painfully as possible, declare it proudly if anyone asks, and tell the police they're next if they try to arrest you.
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2012/12/11 21:34:24
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Make sure to get M5s and not M18s otherwise your going to wax all of your neighbors in one direction.
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Avatar 720 wrote:You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
I have conceded that the Eldar page I started in P&M is their legitimate home. Free Candy! Updated 10/19.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
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2012/12/11 21:40:14
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Infiltrating Hawwa'
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2012/12/11 21:43:08
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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 Che-Vito wrote:There have been very few prosecutions in these circumstances. Between 1990 and 2005 there were 11 prosecutions of people who attacked intruders. Seven of them related to domestic burglaries. One of the cases that was prosecuted involved a man who lay in wait for an intruder and then beat him, threw him into a pit and set him alight.
Just don't do that.
No no, make sure you do that. Think about it, who is ever going to try to break into your house when they know that the last guy who tried it got set on fire?
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2012/12/11 22:43:06
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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 Peregrine wrote: Che-Vito wrote:There have been very few prosecutions in these circumstances. Between 1990 and 2005 there were 11 prosecutions of people who attacked intruders. Seven of them related to domestic burglaries. One of the cases that was prosecuted involved a man who lay in wait for an intruder and then beat him, threw him into a pit and set him alight.
Just don't do that.
No no, make sure you do that. Think about it, who is ever going to try to break into your house when they know that the last guy who tried it got set on fire?
Don't think it would be your house any more.
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I suppose the surprise can be spoiled, but still, nobody is paying for the surprise.
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 Fafnir wrote:FITZZ wrote: This....
To me in doesn't embody one of the most feared Orkz of all time..it just comes across as saying " Hey!! Gimme your milk money!!"
And how does that NOT embody one of the most feared orkz of all time?
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2012/12/11 23:01:50
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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See that's the problem with the UK. You can't shoot people who break into your house.
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2012/12/11 23:55:44
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Your solution would be far easier if you lived in Texas, but since you don't, I 'd say your best bet is to call the cops and see what they advise doing.
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2012/12/12 01:34:56
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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rubiksnoob wrote:See that's the problem with the UK. You can't shoot people who break into your house.
Got a citation for that?
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2012/12/12 03:06:32
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Big Fat Gospel of Menoth
The other side of the internet
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California has a castle doctrine, no idea what you have across the pond.
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2012/12/12 03:43:43
Subject: Re:I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Just remember, especially for those countries that don't allow you to have guns.
......Guns may be spiffy to wave around and threaten from a distance, but a sword will always advertise that you absolutely intend to get up close and do some wet-work if they try anything, seeing as that's all a sword does! Plus, to a petty thief breaking into a garage, it's about as expected as the Spanish Inquisition.
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2012/12/12 04:22:30
Subject: Re:I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Fixture of Dakka
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 AegisGrimm wrote:Just remember, especially for those countries that don't allow you to have guns.
......Guns may be spiffy to wave around and threaten from a distance, but a sword will always advertise that you absolutely intend to get up close and do some wet-work if they try anything, seeing as that's all a sword does! Plus, to a petty thief breaking into a garage, it's about as expected as the Spanish Inquisition.
This gent has the same philosophy about swords:
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-09-15/justice/samurai.sword.killing_1_student-burglar-police-spokesman-anthony-guglielmi?_s=PM:CRIME
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2012/12/12 05:26:24
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Get a Taser, Learn how to use it. then call the police once they are convulsing on the ground.
If you get lucky enough to catch them at the top of a flight of stairs hit them with the taser and watch them tumble. Get a video Camera to record the action.
http://www.defenseproducts101.com/tasers_introduction.html?gclid=CNvHjfiPlLQCFaGPPAodqVYAlQ
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2012/12/12 06:19:04
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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Don't get a taser as they are illegal, as are some swords.
Incidentally you can shoot someone who breaks into your house. You just have to do it under specific cuircumstances.
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Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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2012/12/12 06:28:40
Subject: Re:I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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The Conquerer
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A sword is an excellent fallback after a gun. If you standing there with a shotgun/pistol is intimidating, standing there with a shotgun/pistol and sword will be even more so.
I plan on having a set of Comissar PJs, complete with cap, so that when I stumble forth in the middle of the night I will look right proper.
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2012/12/12 10:10:32
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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In many places (Australia, probably the UK) you're not allowed to have 'weaponised weapons'  . Ie, you can have a sword, as long as the 'sharp' edges are at least 3mm wide.
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2012/12/12 11:56:57
Subject: Re:I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Not as Good as a Minion
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 Grey Templar wrote:
A sword is an excellent fallback after a gun. If you standing there with a shotgun/pistol is intimidating, standing there with a shotgun/pistol and sword will be even more so.
I plan on having a set of Comissar PJs, complete with cap, so that when I stumble forth in the middle of the night I will look right proper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kATiU-cZCPc
Guns for show...
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2012/12/12 13:27:00
Subject: Re:I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Tail Gunner
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I'm pretty sure you can't use tazers in the uk, their on par with using a knife as a weapon. Although walking onto the driveway in commissar PJ'S with a sword in one hand and an uplifting primer in the other declaring to the intruder "PREPARE TO BE DESTROYED XENOS SCUM!" may frighten them off.
And maybe get me sectioned.
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2012/12/12 13:35:31
Subject: Re:I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 spanner4000 wrote: I'm pretty sure you can't use tazers in the uk, their on par with using a knife as a weapon. Although walking onto the driveway in commissar PJ'S with a sword in one hand and an uplifting primer in the other declaring to the intruder "PREPARE TO BE DESTROYED XENOS SCUM!" may frighten them off. And maybe get me sectioned.
Using a knife as a weapon may very well be considered reasonable force in some circumstances. If someone comes at you with a knife of their own, and you're next to your kitchen knife-block, grabbing a knife from it to use with the intention of defending yourself is only a reasonable and logical reaction. If they came at you unarmed, however, might be a different thing. Regardless, I wouldn't trust the legal advice of 99.9% on the internet (including myself).
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2012/12/12 13:45:35
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Executing Exarch
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 Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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0002/01/29 00:54:42
Subject: Re:I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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AegisGrimm wrote:Just remember, especially for those countries that don't allow you to have guns.
......Guns may be spiffy to wave around and threaten from a distance, but a sword will always advertise that you absolutely intend to get up close and do some wet-work if they try anything, seeing as that's all a sword does! Plus, to a petty thief breaking into a garage, it's about as expected as the Spanish Inquisition.
To me a sword advertises that you are an idiot not up to Life ( TM), and you're about to have 10-15 holes in you. Also the thought of a woman with a sword is utterly laughable.
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2012/12/12 14:15:38
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Palindrome wrote:
Don't get a taser as they are illegal, as are some swords.
Incidentally you can shoot someone who breaks into your house. You just have to do it under specific cuircumstances.
"excuse me mr. Burgler. Can you turn to the burglary flow chart to your left?"
"right that's it. Are you here with the Home Owner Permission?."
"right follow to line to no. Are you fleeing in terror after being discovered? Do you pose a threat to me or my family that I cannot reasonably escape? Yes you say?"
BAM!
Thank you for using the burglary flow chart.
Break in to my house in the middle of the night. I'm not just naked: I'm crazy and armed.
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Avatar 720 wrote:You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
I have conceded that the Eldar page I started in P&M is their legitimate home. Free Candy! Updated 10/19.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
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2012/12/12 15:03:30
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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If you do end up killing someone. A) don't tell anyone and B) make sure the body will NEVER be found.
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2012/12/12 15:52:49
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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 Spyral wrote:If you do end up killing someone. A) don't tell anyone and B) make sure the body will NEVER be found.
Legally, thats amaazingly bad advice.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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2012/12/12 15:58:26
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Executing Exarch
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 AustonT wrote:
Break in to my house in the middle of the night. I'm not just naked: I'm crazy and armed.
AustonT:Naked, Crazy and Armed
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2012/12/12 16:35:41
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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PredaKhaine wrote: AustonT wrote:
Break in to my house in the middle of the night. I'm not just naked: I'm crazy and armed.
AustonT:Naked, Crazy and Armed
Sounds like a reality tv show
Or a high school party that is going better than your wildest dreams.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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2012/12/12 17:44:50
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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Steve steveson wrote: KalashnikovMarine wrote: RossDas wrote:Use visible warnings such as a burglar alarm - even if it's just a fake one. Put up beware the dog signs regardless of whether you own one. Beefing up garage/shed security is also advisable as their contents can be used to assist entry to the main building.
Everything about your property should be made unappealing to a possible intruder, if they think your house will be a hassle then the chances are they'll just move on to a softer target.
This seems like the best possible advice in the thread so far given what I know about the UK's self defense type issues.
I'm glad I live in a nation with civilized standards of the right to self defense and to defend one's property.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182
"For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings..."
In the UK we are civilized enough to put life above property and think that better off stuff being stolen than an innocent person be killed.
Wait, who are we describing as innocent here? The burglar?
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 SilverMK2 wrote:"Well, I have epilepsy and was holding a knife when I had a seizure... I couldn't help it! I was just trying to chop the vegetables for dinner!"
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2012/12/12 18:09:42
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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AustonT wrote:And Knives, you're supposed to leap out of the dark with a knife in the infinitesimal occurrences of actual home invasions. But seriously he's being burgled in what sounds like a separate building so in this case I really think sturdy locks is the answer.
You're never going to let that one go, are you? 
It's come to something on this thread when Frazz is the voice of reason and wisdom. 
I don't blame the Americans on this site for being paranoid, the constant fear of a UN invasion is hanging over them 
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2012/12/12 18:28:43
Subject: I've just been burgled, are these methods of protecting my property legal?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:[
I don't blame the Americans on this site for being paranoid, the constant fear of a UN invasion is hanging over them
In my defense I do get black helicopters flying over my house on a weekly basis.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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