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^ Oooo how I love to see that...btw BT for the win....

I was disccusing this a few days ago with a friend who plays BT, and the conclusion we got to was that when dealing with other chapter, the BT prepare themself weeks before arriving with fasting and week long vigil, even then they will oly stay short periods around there psykers if even that. It takes every ounce of self control to not kill librarian.

The Blood Ravens. Everybody hates them.

Who really likes GK I mean they don't even trust black templars

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
The Blood Ravens. Everybody hates them.

According to Space Marine, the Ultramarines are buddies with them.


As for Blood Angels as far as I'm aware, across the Imperium as a whole, they pretty much have the best publicity, entirely equivalent to the Ultramarines.

They are the Sons of Sanguinius, he who gave his life for the God Emperor. The Winged Angel, the most Holy of Imperial Saints. Sanguinius, as far as the Imperium is concerned, is effectively space-Jesus with the day honouring him being basically Christmas.

I'm not entirely sure how well known the flaw is amongst the Astartes as a whole. - Sure, certain specific successor chapters have issues with it and people avoid THEM. However, not the Blood Angels. I would take a guess that those who know the nature of it would see it as a shame. As opposed to say, the Dark Angels, thing. Which, combined with the DA's actions would be "unreliable traitors, gettim!"

The Blood Angels are very strong diplomatically, certainly more so than their successor Chapters and especially than the Flesh Tearers - which is the usual source of any reference to forces not being willing to work alongside Sanguinius' descendants. They hold a lot of respect being a First Founding Legion and Dante himself commands much respect as well. They're also more accepting of others than your average Xenos-hating Marines, having been known to work alongside Necrons and Eldar as well as fighting them.

So any cause of forces not fighting alongside them will be thanks to the other side's refusal, not any problems the Blood Angels have themselves.

 DarthMarko wrote:
I say Black Templars too...If they saw psykers and mutants all in the same group, they wouldn't hesitate to chop them up....

Except that they have no issue what-so-ever with Librarians... so no, they wouldn't....

As most have said, there isn't really any chapter that the Blood Angels hate or have a rivalry with (perhaps Pretty Marines?), but there are other chapters who are not big fans of them. Black Templars are the most obvious. Space Wolves have clashed with them before when they started eating their allies. Actually according to the Salamanders and Ultramarines fluff, I don't think they would be big fans of eating people either, its a bit off-putting, and goes a against their love for protecting loyal imperial humans. If you actually wanted to create tension between other chapters, just have them start eating people .

Gabriel Seth has worked really hard on the flesh tearers public image. He tries to keep his brothers in combat away from other imperial forces to reduce collateral. This has lead to something of a healing in the gulf between them and their parent chapter. The knights of blood however being excommunicae traitoris probably hasn't done them any favours.

 Compel wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
The Blood Ravens. Everybody hates them.

According to Space Marine, the Ultramarines are buddies with them.

That's only because Titus isn't a codex bound thickie.

 Chronepsis wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:
I say Black Templars too...If they saw psykers and mutants all in the same group, they wouldn't hesitate to chop them up....

Except that they have no issue what-so-ever with Librarians... so no, they wouldn't....

khm, mutant casting a spell...BT would explode on their arses...



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ragingmunkyz wrote:
As most have said, there isn't really any chapter that the Blood Angels hate or have a rivalry with (perhaps Pretty Marines?), but there are other chapters who are not big fans of them. Black Templars are the most obvious. Space Wolves have clashed with them before when they started eating their allies. Actually according to the Salamanders and Ultramarines fluff, I don't think they would be big fans of eating people either, its a bit off-putting, and goes a against their love for protecting loyal imperial humans. If you actually wanted to create tension between other chapters, just have them start eating people .

SW have clashed with FT...with BA they don't have any problems...

 DarthMarko wrote:
I say Black Templars too...If they saw psykers and mutants all in the same group, they wouldn't hesitate to chop them up....

The BT chop up the BA? Nope the BA would unleash the death company and show them how to wear black armor. Or let mephi go rawr. AND at the vey least they will mock them for having a old codex

 Nerobellum wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Such is the sacred revulsion in which the Black Templars hold witches and warlocks that they will NEVER fight alongside such abominations. No model with psychic powers may be fielded as an ally to the Black templars and they will NOT fight as allies to any army that includes any models with psychic powers, with the exception of the Grey Knights Space Marines.

Why am I not surprised buy the last sentence?

Don't worry, that has existed for a long time. My guess is that the Black Templars are somehow aware of the history of the GK and know that their origin is essentially pure. Gives credit to the theory that they are made with Emperor splooge.

Theres also the fact that GKs regularly mindwipes memories of anyone that witnesses them in action against daemons. (Even flatout killing whole populations).

I would imagine that during a daemonic incursion where the Templars are involved, they would be too busy fighting monsters to complain about having help psykers when the GKs appear to help and are very good at killing them. Then after the daemons are exiled, they just erase the Templars memories leaving no trace of their existence.

Back to the OP;

As has been said Templars would (willingly if even that) not ally with BA. For the Space Wolves and BA, I believe the SW would push aside any reluctance they have working with the BA if regular imperial citizens need their help.


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Sabreguy wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:
I say Black Templars too...If they saw psykers and mutants all in the same group, they wouldn't hesitate to chop them up....

The BT chop up the BA? Nope the BA would unleash the death company and show them how to wear black armor. Or let mephi go rawr. AND at the vey least they will mock them for having a old codex

That hurts... That really hurts... Really curious how that would work out though, BA(and its successor chapters i guess) vs BT.

But still, thanks for the Stormraven now we have a better chance this edition until (if ever) we get our new codex.

Red Scorpions are fething insane when it comes to genetic purity. also maybe minotaurs.

According to BA codex they have no animosity or rivalries with any of the other Codex marines ....but it does state that most Chapters are hesitant to fight next to or along side BA due to their propensity towards killing everything on the field of battle including their allies. As far as for your story campaign, you can make them as trust worthy or hesitant of allies as you would like.

SW don't like fleash tearers but i don't think they have a problem with the BA

Who would want to fight alongside the SW anyway, nothing worse than the smell of a wet dog.

So what is the BT's outlook like given that they hate psykers and the whole idea behind 40k is that humanity is on the verge of becomingly a completely psychic race like the eldar? That can be good news for them.

Every chapter always finds a reason to find themselves above another chapter,... Like,.. every chapter looks suspiciously towards the Blood Angels foor their fautly genetics since the death of Sanguinius...

Almost every chapter finds the Space Wolves suspicious because of their feral looks and they refuse to adapt to the codex astartes,...

They Iron hands are frowned upon because they willingly remove their left hands as devotion to their primarch and his ways of thinking,...

Everyone looks suspiciously towards the Dark Angels for having an own agenda...

But,.. the Blood Angels as well as the black templars were on Armageddon when Ghazkull was there,...

I think All chapters within the Imperium can Stand fighting together since they all have a common goal,.. slay all who oppose the imperium and those who are not human...

I think its safe to include any chapter in your story,.. The Ultramarines have been know for fighting alongside tau and eldar... and they still live so fragg it...

I have been a bt fan and player since right before 2ed and have read/looked into every piece of fluff they have. I have probably read every codex mention of them at least 20 times. And when it comes to psykers mutations or any sort of alien they dont just dislike them it actually sends them into a rage. And most chapters look at the bt as over zealous and would probably rather keep clear of them. There are obviously some chapters they get along real well with. But if i were a bt i would stear clear of the blood angels unless i had to or unless there were orks to kill