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I'm not tracking you. You think GW will be a more attractive target for a buyer if they can show that they have nothing remotely interesting in the pipeline? I disagree.

 Skinnereal wrote:
I've been expecting a sale since the codex-release rate went monthly.
Once all the codices are all up to current version, it's in a fair position for a buyout.
They're clearing the decks of all outstanding sculpts, to fill all the codex gaps.
After alll, what is GW going to do when they're all updated? Release 40k 7th ed 2 years after 6th?

So, at the rate of a codex a month, we're how far off buyout-day?

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
I've been expecting a sale since the codex-release rate went monthly.
Once all the codices are all up to current version, it's in a fair position for a buyout.
They're clearing the decks of all outstanding sculpts, to fill all the codex gaps.
After alll, what is GW going to do when they're all updated? Release 40k 7th ed 2 years after 6th?

So, at the rate of a codex a month, we're how far off buyout-day?

so far its been 1 dex every 3 months, there are 15 armies, and the stated length of a edition is 4 years. So they should be able to update every army before 7th. The downside is that it gives your armies viablity life of up to 4 years before having to rebuy, repaint, and start over. It also means you're looking at $240 a year ($20/month) just on books.

How many people buy all the books?

 Kilkrazy wrote:


How many people buy all the books?

I do/did but then again, I own all the armies. It was one of the reasons that prompted me not to move onto 6th as the cost to purchase all the codexes would have ran to £200 - £300 and that's before even taking buying minis into consideration.

how does the ongoing lawsuit against chs affect a possible takeover? is anyone going to buy a company involved in an expensive trial that could result in them losing a lot of thier IP?

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
I've been expecting a sale since the codex-release rate went monthly.
Once all the codices are all up to current version, it's in a fair position for a buyout.
They're clearing the decks of all outstanding sculpts, to fill all the codex gaps.
After alll, what is GW going to do when they're all updated? Release 40k 7th ed 2 years after 6th?

So, at the rate of a codex a month, we're how far off buyout-day?

so far its been 1 dex every 3 months, there are 15 armies, and the stated length of a edition is 4 years. So they should be able to update every army before 7th. The downside is that it gives your armies viablity life of up to 4 years before having to rebuy, repaint, and start over. It also means you're looking at $240 a year ($20/month) just on books.

How many people buy all the books?

Know thy enemy. Knowing your opponents rules better then he does makes for easy winning.

Yes, but how many people actually do buy all the books?

I never have, despite being aware of "know your foe" as a principle.

 wildphilldude wrote:
how does the ongoing lawsuit against chs affect a possible takeover? is anyone going to buy a company involved in an expensive trial that could result in them losing a lot of thier IP?

As the plaintiff, GW can drop the lawsuit at any time, can't it, and suffer no consequences from it whatever?

I used to. All the way up until I just stopped completely, I bouhgt all the books...all of them,including things like the IA soft covers and Chapter Approved compendiums.

While some of it was knowing what othe armies might run, I also had one of each major army (except DE...because their models at the time left nothing for me).

Because I tend to actively work to introduce people to gaming, they were also part of my lending library (and as such, I often had two copies). If someone showed interest, I would let them borrow one of my extra copies of the rulebook or one of the Codices in order to give it a full read before they committed to an army.

While purchasing to my extent was likely unusual...I am sure I wasnt the only one to do so. I still do that for rules that I play, and still buy doubles to lend out...just not GW books.


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 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 wildphilldude wrote:
how does the ongoing lawsuit against chs affect a possible takeover? is anyone going to buy a company involved in an expensive trial that could result in them losing a lot of thier IP?

As the plaintiff, GW can drop the lawsuit at any time, can't it, and suffer no consequences from it whatever?

They can drop...but not nescessarily without consequences. The judge has to allow them to, and before he does...he will likely kick him in the butt in a legal way for wasting the court, CHS and W&S time.

I used to buy every single codex/army book. I stopped buying fantasy books in early 8th as I stopped playing fantasy. I would have continued buying them even though I wasn't playing except they went hardback (which I hate) and went up in price. As for the 6th end 40k codexes, I have purchased 1 out of 3. The missing two really annoy me, but not enough to drop $50 a pop for them.

Know your enemy, but also I just enjoy theory crafting a codex and making lists. Occasionally those efforts might result in me starting a new army as was the case with Dark Elder.

Now I buy Malifaux and Warmahordes books.

I used to buy a lot of army books for the background and enjoyment of having them rather than a "know your foe" reason, which is taking things bit too seriously for me.

Easy to do at £12 a go, less so at £20-30. I don't buy any of them know, even when I have the army for the book. I sold off loads of armies (6 for WFB, 2 for 40K) when they started with the £25 army book pricing as I knew it'd jump up in price over time and that I would need to spend a fortune on getting those books to use the army.

All the cash from selling stuff on ebay went into other games and companies, so now I just flog some GW stuff to fund a new project - my two Realms of Chaos books went last week to pay for a load more scenery.

If GW was sold off or changed owners, I think I'd be interested in following the news, but highly unlikely to return to buying from the company or giving the games a lot of table time - too much other good stuff going on!

Quite a lot people bought every Codex, when it was cheaper. Good chance they liked it and started the army. All this gone with current prices.

There are a few in my group who buy all of the army books for 40k and a few who buy all of the books for fantasy. There are also a few who buy all of the PP books. The majority of people only buy the books for what ever army they play. The truth is that most people buy what they are interested in and price is not that big a concern if you are really interested.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Quite a lot people bought every Codex, when it was cheaper. Good chance they liked it and started the army. All this gone with current prices.

I think you are right.

I didn't buy all the books and I will be buying fewer now they cost £30 rather than £15.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Quite a lot people bought every Codex, when it was cheaper. Good chance they liked it and started the army. All this gone with current prices.

I used to buy any codex that fancied my taste when they were ~$30 or less. Today, I'm not even sure I want to buy the two codexes for the armies I own. $100 for two sup-par books for armies I might not even play make me sick.

I would buy the following if they are around $25:

- Chaos Space Marines
- Chaos Demons
- Tau Empire

I was planing on buying all the books and then they jumped up to 50 each so I just bought my own codex and thats it. Would have been nice to have the others for fluff and possibly tempt me to make another army but now I dont have that problem. Thanks GW for saving me some money

I used to buy every codex and book. Now I don't. That's saying a lot given that I have more disposable income than most in the hobby. The only books I will buy all of is FW IA books...as I find those books are actually work the read, and are filled with great artwork. Codexes? I only buy the ones that I need now..or in the case of Tau Empire...what interests me. I don't need that book, I don't plan on playing Tau, but I wanted to see where they advanced the fluff for Tau. Out of all the 6th codexes..I've only bought 2.

JWhex wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
I've been expecting a sale since the codex-release rate went monthly.
Once all the codices are all up to current version, it's in a fair position for a buyout.
They're clearing the decks of all outstanding sculpts, to fill all the codex gaps.
After alll, what is GW going to do when they're all updated? Release 40k 7th ed 2 years after 6th?

So, at the rate of a codex a month, we're how far off buyout-day?

so far its been 1 dex every 3 months, there are 15 armies, and the stated length of a edition is 4 years. So they should be able to update every army before 7th. The downside is that it gives your armies viablity life of up to 4 years before having to rebuy, repaint, and start over. It also means you're looking at $240 a year ($20/month) just on books.

You do not need to buy every codex. I used to do this when the price was closer to the value but I dont anymore.

Also you do not have to start over every time an army is updated that is nonsense. If you just buy the minnimum units for whatever internet spam list is popular then you may have to buy a fair number of models. However, if you have been playing an army for awhile you might have to buy a couple of units and only then if you feel like you need them for tournaments.

Most codexes last longer than 4 editions and buying new models due to an edition change is even less likely than for a codex change. You may need to buy a unit or two but you dont need to start over.

Unless if you want to

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
I've been expecting a sale since the codex-release rate went monthly.
Once all the codices are all up to current version, it's in a fair position for a buyout.
They're clearing the decks of all outstanding sculpts, to fill all the codex gaps.
After alll, what is GW going to do when they're all updated? Release 40k 7th ed 2 years after 6th?

So, at the rate of a codex a month, we're how far off buyout-day?

so far its been 1 dex every 3 months, there are 15 armies, and the stated length of a edition is 4 years. So they should be able to update every army before 7th. The downside is that it gives your armies viablity life of up to 4 years before having to rebuy, repaint, and start over. It also means you're looking at $240 a year ($20/month) just on books.

So true! When Necrons got their new codex, I had to throw away everything I had before and buy it new. I just couldn't resist!

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You might want to review that comment.

Im sure you didnt have to buy the new plastic immortals, but you did, and Im sure you didnt need to buy overlords, but you did.

Most people buy whats effective, when it is no longer effective you buy the next most effective thing. Which you then have to buy, paint, and more then likely replace with something else eventually.

+1 - another who used to buy most of the Codexes and Army Books when they were more reasonably priced .

I dont think the codex release schedule has much to do with any potential sell - off / ownership change , the codex schedule and whether its complete seem irrelevant to any Bean Counting

Back on topic..

I think if GW were sold, it would be SWEET if FFG picked them up and the game went to a 15 MM version!!! -- make the rules backward compatable--to placate the crybabies out there and ensure an even footing for ALL customers new and old. Imagine rolling up DETAILED little Leman Russ Detatchments and ENTIRE TITAN LEGIONS!!!
It would be SWEET--- Have you seen any of the FoW plastics from the Open Fire boxset...those infantry look AWESOME!!!

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Back on topic..

I think if GW were sold, it would be SWEET if FFG picked them up and the game went to a 15 MM version!!! -- make the rules backward compatable--to placate the crybabies out there and ensure an even footing for ALL customers new and old. Imagine rolling up DETAILED little Leman Russ Detatchments and ENTIRE TITAN LEGIONS!!!
It would be SWEET--- Have you seen any of the FoW plastics from the Open Fire boxset...those infantry look AWESOME!!!

Errrr

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/landingArmy.jsp?catId=cat480006a&rootCatGameStyle=specialist-games

Like that?

 Dynamix wrote:
+1 - another who used to buy most of the Codexes and Army Books when they were more reasonably priced .

I dont think the codex release schedule has much to do with any potential sell - off / ownership change , the codex schedule and whether its complete seem irrelevant to any Bean Counting

Not yet that is. But I am hoping that there is a change of ownership so I can invest into the evil that I am not quite aware of, unless it is Hasbro and that is an evil that I am aware of

I used to buy all the books, never bought any of the FW/IA stuff though.

I am interested in seeing where this goes, although I don't imagine anything any time soon.

I think a buy out or a leadership change has to happen for GW to survive another 5-10 years.

Hopefully they see this and maybe the organization is preparing for a leadership change and the talk of a buy out is just speculation. I love GW games and don't want to see them run they company into the ground to the point a competitor buys it discontinues it.

Unless there is some sort of insider trading, or economical forecast from the business who sold off, I would say it's business as usual for GW.

Anything can happen in the future. My prediction is downsizing until they maintain a posture they're comfortable with.

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Back on topic..

I think if GW were sold, it would be SWEET if FFG picked them up and the game went to a 15 MM version!!!

Isn't GW quite a bit bigger than FFG? Something like five times bigger?

 azreal13 wrote:

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Back on topic..

I think if GW were sold, it would be SWEET if FFG picked them up and the game went to a 15 MM version!!! -- make the rules backward compatable--to placate the crybabies out there and ensure an even footing for ALL customers new and old. Imagine rolling up DETAILED little Leman Russ Detatchments and ENTIRE TITAN LEGIONS!!!
It would be SWEET--- Have you seen any of the FoW plastics from the Open Fire boxset...those infantry look AWESOME!!!

Errrr

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/landingArmy.jsp?catId=cat480006a&rootCatGameStyle=specialist-games

Like that?

Epic is 6mm, and really best suits multiple-Titan vs multiple-Titan level engagements given the size of infantry and normal tanks at that scale. Honestly, aside from the person you quoted's attitude problem("crybabies" - really?), I do rather like the idea of playing 40K in 15mm, it would certainly make Apocalypse games more enjoyable. It will not, however, actually happen. I think the most anyone could hope for in this regard would be a change in direction for the company which included the revitalisation of Specialist Games and niche model ranges, resulting in a range of 15mm 40K minis and an optional 15mm scale "add on" to Apocalypse, and even that is unlikely.

For my money, I'd rework GW's entire range of models and rules with six distinct "levels" for each universe; RPG, Narrative/Skirmish, Skirmish Wargame, Mass Battle Wargame, Naval Wargame, Boardgame. So for 40K, you'd have; the FFG stuff, a small-gang/warband skirmish game with narrative and campaign elements(combination of Inquisitor and Necromunda concepts, with the balance between game and narrative up to the players, and all the "classic" settings like Necromunda, Gorkamorka etc as IA-style "sourcebooks"), current 40K games up to about 2000pts, a dual 6mm/15mm rules system designed to cover both Apocalypse and Epic, a revamped Battlefleet Gothic, and a non-limited version of Space Hulk.

The RPG, Narrative Skirmish, and Skirmish Wargame rules would all be covered by the 28mm range(which I would shift to Forgeworld's "6-6.5 heads Heroic 32mm scale" as opposed to GW's current "5 heads stunted dwarf whatever we feel like scale"), the large-scale system would be served by the existing Epic 6mm range and a new Apocalypse 15mm range, and Gothic already has its own range as well albeit incomplete.

GW's strength is their IP, by which I don't just mean the fiction but the whole thing; the setting, the backstory, the aesthetic, all of it. They should be focused on providing people with as many different ways to game using that IP as they can, because that's how they'll hold off the barbarians at the gate, not by pretending the competition doesn't exist, constantly raising prices in the face of declining volume, and throwing their legal weight around.

I think a 15 mm scale range is unlikely simply because they have a pretty good start on 6mm with the epic system. I wish they would revitalize epic, it was quite popular at one time and only died due to the mistakes made with epic40k.