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 Selym wrote:
My Daemon Prince (I've named him Sedecim) has played a key role in my chaos army from the beginning.

In 5th He'd have MoT, wings, warptime and one other power, and in 6th he has DoT, ML2 (Usually), wings, PA.

His battles have seen him running rampant for seven turns, annihilating scores of guardsmen, and several vehicles (against a fraggin' gunline!). Other times, he flies in at the right moment, and the right place to assassinate my opponents most valuable unit (usually a HQ).
He's duelled with Darnath Lysander (which has always come out as a tie for some reason), and forced an entire waaagh to turn around just for a hope of survival.

Every time I field him, I always expect him to get shot down, but to date he has never failed to make an enormous impact on any battle he has ever participated in.

Well, I can imagine this. Did you give him the black mace?

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Selym wrote:
My Daemon Prince (I've named him Sedecim) has played a key role in my chaos army from the beginning.

In 5th He'd have MoT, wings, warptime and one other power, and in 6th he has DoT, ML2 (Usually), wings, PA.

His battles have seen him running rampant for seven turns, annihilating scores of guardsmen, and several vehicles (against a fraggin' gunline!). Other times, he flies in at the right moment, and the right place to assassinate my opponents most valuable unit (usually a HQ).
He's duelled with Darnath Lysander (which has always come out as a tie for some reason), and forced an entire waaagh to turn around just for a hope of survival.

Every time I field him, I always expect him to get shot down, but to date he has never failed to make an enormous impact on any battle he has ever participated in.

Well, I can imagine this. Did you give him the black mace?

Not yet, but I'm going to be doing that in the future. I've learned that adding in the mastery levels tends not to work out too well for me, so I'll be replacing them with the mace.

My two sentinels with Hunter Killer missiles.

They're scout sentinals with the basic multilasers, and to do date they have killed; Eldrad, more tanks than I could count, several dreadnoughts (in 5th ed, no less), and several Tyranid MCs.

They're mediocre units, but outflanking with two multilasers and HK missiles, and the ability to mess up non-walker vehicles in close combat if they survive the turn they come in has proven invaluable again and again.

They're just useless against an infantry army.

Warp Spiders! They deep strike in, kill a vehicle, and then jump around harassing things while my opponent throws tons of stuff at them. With hit and run they never stay in combat and can keep hopping to where they're needed mst laying down torrents of S6 fire.

Full Squad of Vanguard Vets. Sgt gets LC and SS, MB. One other gets the LC and SS for the other half in a combat squad, if I do that. Expensive, but I always seem to get good service out of them. They've had quite a bit of fun hitting large units of Kroot, Orks, Gaunts, Conscripts and the like in the flank. Rack up a ton of kills vs little to no return attacks, they've been able to sweeping advance a lot of units that way. The best case I think was 18 unsaved wounds inflicted off of Heroic Intervention to one saved wound inbound. Kroot failed the snake eyes roll, luckily they gobbled the remaining Kroot up in the sweep. Consolidation made sure they were then out of LOS of anything that could touch them, next round they assaulted with a JP Chaplain and Sanguinary priest in tow. Love my VV's.

Dakkafex.

The Internet tells me it's terrible. My last game it destroyed over 600pts of Dark Eldar before finally being brought down. The game before it killed about 500pts of Eldar.

It never fails to be man of the match, and while The Internet tells me Trygons are better... I just don't see it. Those Brainleech Devourers are just amazing.

I feel the same way about my rupture cannon tyrannofexes, the terrible triplets (or more in super high point or apocalypse games) rarely disappoint and I have felled titans with them.

Heavy Destroyers. Net lists hate them with a passion, but their high mobility allows them to easily get into flanks and blow up enemy tanks.

 Kain wrote:
I feel the same way about my rupture cannon tyrannofexes, the terrible triplets (or more in super high point or apocalypse games) rarely disappoint and I have felled titans with them.

Tyrannofexes are something I have the opposite experience on. They have performed worse for me than the internet generally suggests.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Kain wrote:
I feel the same way about my rupture cannon tyrannofexes, the terrible triplets (or more in super high point or apocalypse games) rarely disappoint and I have felled titans with them.

Tyrannofexes are something I have the opposite experience on. They have performed worse for me than the internet generally suggests.

They''re a very hit or miss unit due to their cost and mediocre B.S. for a gun platform. The nonsensical AP value also hurts.

I think I'm starting to see a trend here. On the internet, the effectiveness of a unit is defined by mathammer, but when you factor in real people, 3-dimensional space and tactics, the story is a lot different.

 Selym wrote:
I think I'm starting to see a trend here. On the internet, the effectiveness of a unit is defined by mathammer, but when you factor in real people, 3-dimensional space and tactics, the story is a lot different.

No, actually, mathhammer is correct most of the time. It's just that when sth. really awesome happens, that sticks to your mind.

 Kain wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Kain wrote:
I feel the same way about my rupture cannon tyrannofexes, the terrible triplets (or more in super high point or apocalypse games) rarely disappoint and I have felled titans with them.

Tyrannofexes are something I have the opposite experience on. They have performed worse for me than the internet generally suggests.

They''re a very hit or miss unit due to their cost and mediocre B.S. for a gun platform. The nonsensical AP value also hurts.

I'm not joking when I say they perform worse for me. My last game against Dark Eldar, despite having a shot every single turn on their paper airplanes, my Tyrannofex racked up a glorious 0 hull points.

As a reward, I tore its head off, put the Tervigon head on, and attached the egg sac.


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 Sigvatr wrote:

 Selym wrote:
I think I'm starting to see a trend here. On the internet, the effectiveness of a unit is defined by mathammer, but when you factor in real people, 3-dimensional space and tactics, the story is a lot different.

No, actually, mathhammer is correct most of the time. It's just that when sth. really awesome happens, that sticks to your mind.

Well, mathhammer works most of the time because it's always about averages. It needs to be done in a vaccuum, however, unit vs unit, since you can't mathhammer a unit against another unit on a table with potential cover and support from other units.

So mathhammer does work for finding general effectiveness, but once the models are on the table, you'll probably find some things work better for you than mathhammer tells you.

Take my Dakkafex. If my opponent was concentrating fire on it, it wouldn't have lasted a turn last game against Dark Eldar. Since it dropped behind him while the rest of my army was wngaging him from the front, it had free reign to cause mayhem. That's when mathhammer doesn't work. Within 12" of a Wych squad, the Wych squad can kill it with splinter pistols. When that Wych squad also has a unit of 20 Gaunts barrelling down its throat, it needs to make a choice. If that choice leads them to shooting the gaunts because that's what they want to assault, then failing their charge, they're then eating Devourers next turn. However, mathhammer would say 'don't drop a Carnifex near Wyches, because their splinter pistols can kill it pretty quickly'.

A single, cheap scout sentinel with an autocannon.
It always does something.

I've gotta say, my first Company Command Squad. The officer and banner bearer have killed more Marines in CC, shot the last wound off of MC's, and melta bombed tanks more than any other unit I own. I bought Creed just to upgrade the generic commander to him and promptly got annihilated.

Master of ordnance by far. In one game he killed 8 marines with the artillery strike and a terminator with his laspistol.

10 basic termagants. They unlock a tervigon as a troop choice and I always find a use for them. Either they sit in the back and camp an objective from the beginning to the end of the game untouched, or they run forward and tarpit enemy units while Momma-Tervigon sits back and watches with pride.

Ratlings, damn I love those guys.

Allways kill something (and for 30p they make up for their points fast), when they pin its allways been a big + for me.
And they allways soak fire from something nasty, like the time swarmlord chased them up a building resulting in their death (obviously) but swarmlord and his unti got "stuck" and dident get to do much else ^^

My gretchin have killed 2 Daemon princes and an Oblit. Yeah they are second Ed too. Every game where the opponent thinks they'll kill the tiny 19 man squad with something awesome, gets them killed.

Dire Avenger exarch with a sword and shimmershield. I've hugged temies for 3 turns before with my DA, relying entirely on a 5++ in cc from him.
He has killed terminator sergeants with his powersword.

Parasite of mortrex. Throw him in with gargoyles or winged warriors. Spawn anywhere from 20-45 ripper swarms 2 out of 3 games that i use him. no good reason for why perhaps the dice gods favor the model i made idk.

Heavy Weapons Squads

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Warp Spiders! They deep strike in, kill a vehicle, and then jump around harassing things while my opponent throws tons of stuff at them. With hit and run they never stay in combat and can keep hopping to where they're needed mst laying down torrents of S6 fire.

My buddy runs a squad of 8 Warp Spiders with an exarch, and they tear stuff up regularly. I'll never understand why the interwebs thinks the current Eldar list is weak. Expensive does not always equal bad.

Anyway, Pink Horrors have been my most underestimated unit. In multiple games they have laid down some great (and timely) supporting fire, and sometimes the target unit actually fails the warpfire test (such as when a healthy Maugan Ra was the last model left and he rolled a 6, followed by my 3 for # of wounds) !!

Commisar Lord, powerfist and bolt pistol.

Whole rest of the army is Cadians and Tallarns painted desert style, but he is a Vostroyan in a big red hat called Boris. Really stands out and seems to be massively lucky, especially at killing Carnifexs.

Dark Angels Deathwing Knights in LRR. If they make it across the table, they lay a serious smack down.

Can't remember the points cost at the moment.

I have a squad of khorne CSM who I tend to field all kitted out, usually runs me about 300ish points for the unit. The number of times they have just run rampant through an entire DA army is just.. well.. depressing for the DA player.

I field a dread against my friends Tau. It either dies immediately or it wrecks face all game. Most enjoyable thing in 40k is when your dread goes to town IMO.

UnadoptedPuppy wrote:
I field a dread against my friends Tau. It either dies immediately or it wrecks face all game. Most enjoyable thing in 40k is when your dread goes to town IMO.

What's it equipped with? Do you make it venerable?

TechMarine1 wrote:

UnadoptedPuppy wrote:
I field a dread against my friends Tau. It either dies immediately or it wrecks face all game. Most enjoyable thing in 40k is when your dread goes to town IMO.

What's it equipped with? Do you make it venerable?

Sometimes yeah, sometimes no. I would always switch up the guns, but usually AC with DCCW or missile launcher.
Also note this was before the new Tau codex (thank god broadsides are S8 now!).

Trazyn the Infinite in a unit of sword and board lychguard with a veiltek. Scoring, versitle, good at showing up anywhere to soak up fire. They are fun times.