Transaction Report - Ahriman085

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**Ineedvc2500**

If its the same state, civil suit may work but if not it wont happen

**Traceoftoxin**

Pretty much.

**Ineedvc2500**

Ive never filed a civil suit but i watch law n order lol. I think court fees maybe expensive. i hope they get some kind of closure/resolution.

**quickfuze**

Ineedvc2500 wrote:
@ cruentus
Im sorry but i dont believe you about the PD paying him a visit based on emails. I think when you told him authorites were now involved he got scared and sent. Reason being you would have gotten the items back after he was arrested for theft. You didnt get them from the PD. I called my local PD and his local PD when i got ripped off and they both said Local PDs do not handle online fraud claims. I guess do to the high traffic of online fraud, there is a new website they both refered me to IC3 website. Allegedly its monitored by the FBI. Nothing has come of my report. I even filed another one under a diff name. Nada. So im a little hesitant to beleive you, that the PD actually went to his house, didnt arrest him for theft, and PD didnt send you the items back.

Actually, as I am a retired 13 year police veteran (left to full active military), I can tell you that case like this could very well have happened. I have made trips before to peoples houses to get them to do the "right thing" cause honestly it was easier than doing the paperwork and court time for arresting them on misdemeanor theft. Also because sometimes young people think they can get away with stuff until you show them they cant and that you can permanenty ruin their life with a felony record. Police dont always just arrest someone, and sometimes you just know you dont have enough evidence, so you try to correct the problem even though you cant get a case out of it. Just my 2 cents. As for a civil suit, yes for the majority it would cost more than its worth and then collecting on a judgement is even more of a pain. I would say that working to pursue the criminal charge is where the focus should be. As we are now into the felony dollar amount range, that should get the police a little more excited than a misdemeanor. This means though that we need to consolidate all the reports (police) and communication with him into one package.

**cowen70**

Only if you don't pursue it, it is a felony crime, don't be such a wuss.

**Traceoftoxin**

cowen70 wrote:
Only if you don't pursue it, it is a felony crime, don't be such a wuss.

Excuse me?

You should really watch how you talk to people, you're not endearing anyone with your attitude.

**Ineedvc2500**

Quickfuze I thank you for your service. However Im upset that you didnt arrest them for theft. Hes got the stolen goods what other evidence do you need? And we are assuming hes a young naive person with something to lose, i hope its the same for this case. Even if hes a minor he wont do any time if hes arrested and his record will be clean when he turns 18. Im now very upset for why i was not allowed to file a police report with upland or chico PD. Since you were a cop could you explain why i was not allowed to file an online fraud report?

**Traceoftoxin**

Ineedvc2500 wrote:
Quickfuze I thank you for your service. However Im upset that you didnt arrest them for theft. Hes got the stolen goods what other evidence do you need? And we are assuming hes a young naive person with something to lose, i hope its the same for this case. Even if hes a minor he wont do any time if hes arrested and his record will be clean when he turns 18. Im now very upset for why i was not allowed to file a police report with upland or chico PD. Since you were a cop could you explain why i was not allowed to file an online fraud report?

Different areas have different laws. Varies from state to state, county to county.

Ahriman told me at one point he has a wife, so we're likely not dealing with a child.

I'm still giving him the time I give anyone to complete this deal. I'm only a week or so removed and will be giving him another week to get himself straightened out before I take any action.

**cowen70**

Traceoftoxin wrote:
cowen70 wrote:
Only if you don't pursue it, it is a felony crime, don't be such a wuss.

Excuse me?

You should really watch how you talk to people, you're not endearing anyone with your attitude.

I'm sorry you are perpetrating falsehoods in saying it is not a felony when in a legal analysis it is so you should watch what you are saying especially when you are apparently trying to obstruct me in regaining my property or prosecuting my theft?

I mean what is your interest here, are you trolling or are you a proxy of the thief, why the feth are you posting and trolling here and getting in the way.

feth off.

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Can I ask moderators intervene and delete idiots who have nothing to contribute but just want to disrupt the actions of people who want to recover their money or property.

This is not the feeding ground for trolls.

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Traceoftoxin is repeatedly pushing that this is a civil suit I'm outright saying this may be an alt account of the con artist.

There is no reason for him to be posting otherwise without any doubt or curiosity, can everyone bear in mind that we are dealing with a con artist and I call this man as a fraud.

**quickfuze**

Ineedvc2500 wrote:
Quickfuze I thank you for your service. However Im upset that you didnt arrest them for theft. Hes got the stolen goods what other evidence do you need? And we are assuming hes a young naive person with something to lose, i hope its the same for this case. Even if hes a minor he wont do any time if hes arrested and his record will be clean when he turns 18. Im now very upset for why i was not allowed to file a police report with upland or chico PD. Since you were a cop could you explain why i was not allowed to file an online fraud report?

Reports as being filed by the victim of fraud (you, me, everyone else here) needs to be filed with your local police dept. If they are not letting you file then it is because they are completely lazy. Make sure that your local police agency understands that you are asking for a report, not a referral for criminal charges (this is actually where a citizen can swear before a magistrate and the county takes out an arrest warrant on the person-hard to get one of these) and that you are not asking them to pursue charges (as the charges need to be pursued by the agency with jurisdiction where the suspect resides). Also dont say you want a report for stolen toys or game pieces. Tell them you need a report for stolen "collectibles" that you have a suspect that resides in another state and you need it for insurance purposes. They should take the report from you.

**Rainbow Dash**

Traceoftoxin wrote:
Ineedvc2500 wrote:
Quickfuze I thank you for your service. However Im upset that you didnt arrest them for theft. Hes got the stolen goods what other evidence do you need? And we are assuming hes a young naive person with something to lose, i hope its the same for this case. Even if hes a minor he wont do any time if hes arrested and his record will be clean when he turns 18. Im now very upset for why i was not allowed to file a police report with upland or chico PD. Since you were a cop could you explain why i was not allowed to file an online fraud report?

Different areas have different laws. Varies from state to state, county to county.

Ahriman told me at one point he has a wife, so we're likely not dealing with a child.

I'm still giving him the time I give anyone to complete this deal. I'm only a week or so removed and will be giving him another week to get himself straightened out before I take any action.

he told me he worked in a game store...I never did get an address from him, as I put all my trades on hold due to moving

**Traceoftoxin**

cowen70 wrote:
Traceoftoxin wrote:
cowen70 wrote:
Only if you don't pursue it, it is a felony crime, don't be such a wuss.

Excuse me?

You should really watch how you talk to people, you're not endearing anyone with your attitude.

I'm sorry you are perpetrating falsehoods in saying it is not a felony when in a legal analysis it is so you should watch what you are saying especially when you are apparently trying to obstruct me in regaining my property or prosecuting my theft?

I mean what is your interest here, are you trolling or are you a proxy of the thief, why the feth are you posting and trolling here and getting in the way.

feth off.

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Can I ask moderators intervene and delete idiots who have nothing to contribute but just want to disrupt the actions of people who want to recover their money or property.

This is not the feeding ground for trolls.

I never said it wasn't a felony. I said it would likely fall under small claims court, because, as someone who has been involved in such a situation, it often does.

How am I trying to obstruct you in any way? I am simply updating the thread on my dealings with him.

You're extremely out of line.

**cowen70**

He has taken money off people and not sent goods, how is that civil?

He took goods off me under false pretences tell me how this is civil?

I get you have gone through stuff before, you are not me or others who have been blatently defrauded and it is not civil so for gods sake unless you are a lawyer feth off.

Because I have legal experience and it bloody well isn't civil it is outright theft and I don't need you in here parroting legal falsehoods.

If you are not a troll then please lets trade legal precedents, you tell me why you don't think its a theft but I DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR LAST EXPERIENCE THAT IS NOT THIS AND THIS IS THEFT.

**Ineedvc2500**

Thanks quickfuze. That was valuable info. I will follow up again with my local PD. what was strange was that they asked me if it was a online fraud/theft i said yes they both immediatly gave me the website (the ones i posted earlier). Im wondering on this go around should i/we leave that part out and lie?

**Traceoftoxin**

You are clearly beyond dealing with.

I'll keep the thread updated on anything that occurs with myself and Ahriman.

**cowen70**

Oh and I am actually engaging the services of a US solicitor I might add and they are in no doubt as to the status of this action.

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Traceoftoxin wrote:
You are clearly beyond dealing with.

I'll keep the thread updated on anything that occurs with myself and Ahriman.

I need no one in here muddying the waters with misinformation so do as you please preferably away from here.

**WarOne**

Take a step back everyone and focus. We need to work together and work towards getting our stuff back and punishing the party responsible for this scam.

Fighting each other resolves nothing and gets us in trouble with the board moderators.

**cowen70**

Well that is true but I am extremely concerned by a member repeatedly stating that this is not criminal and nothing can come of it....it seems suspicious and it is also blatently untrue as I say I do not state this from a position of ignorance I have been in touch with a US attorney.

I am well aware we are dealing with a con artist and I am very concerned with attempts to put us off full prosecution of this con artist.

We should all pursue this to the furthest extent possible.

**quickfuze**

Ineedvc2500 wrote:
Thanks quickfuze. That was valuable info. I will follow up again with my local PD. what was strange was that they asked me if it was a online fraud/theft i said yes they both immediatly gave me the website (the ones i posted earlier). Im wondering on this go around should i/we leave that part out and lie?

Its kind of a grey area when you say "Online", because then it involves a bunch of interstate commerce laws and it gets really annoying. Tell them that you responded to a classified ad (basically what these are) and if they persist about the online thing, tell them you are pursuing that too, but your insurance company needs a local police report to process any filing for coverage.

**Traceoftoxin**

WarOne wrote:
Take a step back everyone and focus. We need to work together and work towards getting our stuff back and punishing the party responsible for this scam.

Fighting each other resolves nothing and gets us in trouble with the board moderators.

All we can do is what Quickfuze has posted. He's given quite clear instructions that really outline the basic steps for anyone looking to file a claim. A lot of what happens depends on how cooperative your local law enforcement is.

There is only one person fighting. There are several of us offering prior experience so people can understand the level of assistance to expect from the U.S. Justice system (Which is to say, not as much as we should be given) and a single individual attacking us for it.

**Alpharius**

OK, now you've got our attention...

Everyone, please settle down and think before posting.

Insults and such will not be tolerated - Dakka Dakka's rules, the rules that everyone agreed to follow when they signed up here, strictly forbid such behavior.

As always, if you have a problem with someone's post, use the Mode Alert button to report it.

Thanks.

**AgeOfEgos**

Obviously, due to the nature of this thread, emotions are likely high--and if this indeed turns out to not be the result of some real life traumatic event concerning the trader in question--I sincerely hope each of you are able to retain your property and/or funds.

That said, let's focus on steps each individual is taking (be it civil, criminal, calling local law enforcement or simply obtaining contact with Ahriman085) and any success each individual is achieving with those means. All involved would likely benefit more from objective reiteration of the facts and the timeline individuals are going through--rather than mire the thread into what area of the law it falls into. As someone that has went through this experience, I sympathize if this indeed turns out to be the result of poor decisions--instead of a real life emergency and encourage all involved to take whatever (legal) steps they feel is necessary to get their property returned.

Too long, didn't read version--let's focus on the facts guys/gals and help each other out with information. Thanks.

Ryan

**quickfuze**

Oh if they bring up that you "mailed" off the collectibles to him so how did he steal them? it actually falls under "theft by deception".

**cowen70**

He accepted $70 for stormravens and never shipped them tell me how that is not theft?

Anyone tell me how taking money for nothing is not theft...

**quickfuze**

cowen70 wrote:
He accepted $70 for stormravens and never shipped them tell me how that is not theft?

Anyone tell me how taking money for nothing is not theft...

Please understand, that IS theft. I was referring to those of us that were trading models for models with no monetary exchange having been done.

**Traceoftoxin**

cowen70 wrote:
He accepted $70 for stormravens and never shipped them tell me how that is not theft?

Anyone tell me how taking money for nothing is not theft...

No one is saying it isn't theft.

In the US many police departments don't want to waste time dealing with what they believe will be a case with only hersay as evidence. They will claim it is a civil matter and tell you to take it to small claims court.

Quickfuze has done a fantastic job outlining the proper steps to take in this situation. The hope is the lw enforcemen officials you deal with are willing to work with you.

**cowen70**

OK fair enough I'll try to be reasonable I just don't want to hear that the person taking my Orks and taking other peoples money and not posting is not theft, it is an insult.

But as the mod says emotions running high.

**RiTides**

Any further discussion of what is or is not "theft" a "felony", etc, will be deleted as off-topic.

Any posts which are not aiding in the resolution of unresolved trades will be deleted, as well.

Please keep discussion to the facts and steps being taken to resolve the issues only. Thanks!

**cowen70**

OK folks I apologise I am just irate over this (and crazy paranoid) but all information I'm being provided by professional sources assures me that this particular case is criminal and should be pursued as such.

So sorry for being so fractious, I'm the extremely naive noob who lost an entire army to this dick and well...yeah I'm pissed but I am also seeking professional advice and I have a case as do others based on what has happened. The best I can say is please do not prejudice information coming forward to aid our case.

**Relic07**

I am SO GLAD I didn't finalize a deal with this guy. I was going to buy a bunch of flesh hounds from him.