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Must purge.

 High Emperor Aggron wrote:
Must purge.

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Well the necrons would drive the imperium crazy because of the fire power and the monliths and the ability to appear out of nowhere,and there is still millions of tomb worlds all over the galaxy,i think the bugs give them the scary threat because there arms can appear in the solar systems and really cause hell on every planet,imotec has yet to be defeated and right nwo the necrons are only cared about is waking up there tombs worlds and when they are done the the full power of necron would crush the imperium in my thinking.

It's academic, really, because GW is not going to remove a product line out of the narrative. While they may simply stop producing models for a line (as they seem to have done with the Sisters), they're not going to write them out of the setting.

This goes for all of the factions, so the Nids will never eat the Imperium, the Eldar will never destroy the Necrons, the Necrons will never exterminate the Nids and the Tau will forever be small, dumb and blue.

 Kain wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
None can withstand a crusade of faith and rage.

Helbrecht's crusade of wrath against Hive Fleet Leviathan seems to be going pretty badly for him.

Na its all good, as long as one enemy dies, the crusade is successful.

Tau are no threat to anyone except in the sense that they can convert enemies without violence, something damn near no other threat to the Imperium can seem to do.

The main reason the 3rd Sphere expansion worked out so well is because the Imperium(and everyone else not named Tau) were invited to the Eye of Terror for a huge "Aggressive Exchange of Ideas".

While everyone was on the other side of the galaxy, Tau took some planets.

Imperium could delete the Tau Empire, but why Bother? There are bigger fish to fry.

You all under estimate the tau. They are the youngest race yet they compete for the title of the most technologicaly advanced race in the galaxy. The only obstacle to the tau is their lack of "warp drive" that all other races posses. If the tau were to capture a necron vessel and learn of how they execute interstellar travel there would be a new sphere of expansion like none other. The tau would be able to both fortify and reinforce worlds and be able to journey expand to places that normally would take a taus life span to acomplish.

Their technology, while advanced, is nowhere near IoM simply because they cannot harness the warp. And I highly doubt they will find an intact Necron Drive for two reasons:
1. They cannot compete in space with the Necrons
2. Necron guard that tech even more so.

Actually, if the IoM cracked that FTL it would solve a ton of their problems. Problems like the Tau.

Seriously though, it is the predicament that humanity is in that keeps the Tau kicking. I'm also sure that many Imperial strategists would prefer to use them as a road block to the 'nids anyway.

Shaso_Keo wrote:
You all under estimate the tau.

Rightfully so.

They are the youngest race yet they compete for the title of the most technologicaly advanced race in the galaxy.

Not even close. Necrons, Eldar, and Nids have millions of years of technological advances on them.

The only obstacle to the tau is their lack of "warp drive" that all other races posses

And their very limited numbers and ressources. And their ship designs being the most fragile in the universe. And the fact that they are incredibly naive about the rest of the universe...

Pretty much, the Tau's weakness is their biggest advantage.

If the tau were to capture a necron vessel and learn of how they execute interstellar travel there would be a new sphere of expansion like none other. The tau would be able to both fortify and reinforce worlds and be able to journey expand to places that normally would take a taus life span to acomplish.

And if the Emperor was to wake up and go talk to the Dragon, they might discover that they are best of pals, that it was all just a big misunderstanding, and that from now on, it'll be the Imperium of Man and Machine.

Shaso_Keo wrote:
You all under estimate the tau. They are the youngest race yet they compete for the title of the most technologicaly advanced race in the galaxy. The only obstacle to the tau is their lack of "warp drive" that all other races posses. If the tau were to capture a necron vessel and learn of how they execute interstellar travel there would be a new sphere of expansion like none other. The tau would be able to both fortify and reinforce worlds and be able to journey expand to places that normally would take a taus life span to acomplish.

Even the Orks can out tech the Tau.

I mean the Orks managed to teleport down hundreds of Gargants en masse to Armageddon and actually out do the Imperium and even the Eldar in quite a few areas (shielding and teleportation especially).

Not to mention the Eldar are the favored children of the frakking old ones and the heirs to their entire legacy. They got a lot of sweetness out of that deal.

And the Necrons? A Necron fleet with, none of which were particularly big, completely crapped all over an Imperial fleet three times it's size in ship numbers and vastly larger in total ship tonnage. Necron ground technology is truly amazing (and we've only scratched the surface of it) but their Space tech is ridiculously better than anyone else's, to the point that one Necron Tomb ship didn't even register an entire Word Bearer's fleet as a threat.

The Necrons, Orks, and Eldar are the products of a war that makes the Horus Heresy look like a school yard brawl next to the second world war. The amount of power unleashed during the War in Heaven was galaxy shattering and utterly beyond the capacity of the Tau to even grasp. And here's the thing. The Necrons won that war.

And the Tyranids? One of the smallest hive fleets worthy of the distinction very nearly pushed the entire Tau Empire to the brink of extinction. If Hive Fleet Leviathan dedicated a tendril or three to the Tau Empire, the Tau species and all of it's accomplishments would be utterly eradicated. And it is highly unlikely that the Tau will survive the coming of the Tyranids in their earnest. Because as big as Hive Fleet Leviathan is (and it is mind boggilingly huge) it's just the tip of the Iceberg, and the Tau are already terrified of the prospect of a repeat of Gorgon.

The tau however are an advancing race while the others barring the nids, are either stagnate or declining. The reason I enjoy the tau is their pioneering mentality. I also argue that if they were able to obtain FTL through the necrons or a similiar drive they would become a much more powerful species. The reason tau had/has.so much difficulty with defending their planets is thay they cannot reinforce their colonies. It could take months for a reinforcement fleet to arrive to deal with ork or nid invasions. This is the main reason they lose so much ground, like in damoclese, it wasn't until a tau hunter cadre arrived that they were able to repel the IoM. With a FTL drive tuau would become more mobile and colonies amd major septs could be equally defended.

Ok youngling Tau, sit down before you hurt yourself......

All kinds of cool stuff could happen if..IF, gw ever decided to advance the timeline..wont happen, not unless GW makes some major changes to its design philosophy .

And these sort of debates always end the same...everyone declares how uber their race /group/ flavor of the month is, and it devolves into tech measuring debates, and genocide fantasies..my suggestion, just walk away and enjoy playing with your Tau minis on a table and beating the snot outta your opponents.

word from a veteran of many Tau related dakka debates..it aint worth it.

Shaso_Keo wrote:
The tau however are an advancing race while the others barring the nids, are either stagnate or declining. The reason I enjoy the tau is their pioneering mentality. I also argue that if they were able to obtain FTL through the necrons or a similiar drive they would become a much more powerful species. The reason tau had/has.so much difficulty with defending their planets is thay they cannot reinforce their colonies. It could take months for a reinforcement fleet to arrive to deal with ork or nid invasions. This is the main reason they lose so much ground, like in damoclese, it wasn't until a tau hunter cadre arrived that they were able to repel the IoM. With a FTL drive tuau would become more mobile and colonies amd major septs could be equally defended.

Both the Orks and Necrons are advancing their technology further and further. The Necrons are confirmed as having advancing tech by IA12 thanks to the genius of the Crypteks, who form a dedicated and specialized scientist caste.

Also the Tau most definitely do have FTL, some of the travel dates given show distances traveled that are not possible without going faster than light. It may be slower than warp travel on average, but it's generally more reliable.

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
Ok youngling Tau, sit down before you hurt yourself......

All kinds of cool stuff could happen if..IF, gw ever decided to advance the timeline..wont happen, not unless GW makes some major changes to its design philosophy .

And these sort of debates always end the same...everyone declares how uber their race /group/ flavor of the month is, and it devolves into tech measuring debates, and genocide fantasies..my suggestion, just walk away and enjoy playing with your Tau minis on a table and beating the snot outta your opponents.

word from a veteran of many Tau related dakka debates..it aint worth it.

Haha alright ill take your word for it. I just like passing the time at work by arguing with these small minded greenskin lovers. The debate was never about how necrons or orks may be able to beat tau, but about of tau could survive an IoM crusade. I would say genocide would not happen. The tau may retreat until their technology suprasses the IoM and retake what they had lost.

The Imperium goes out of it's way to actively prevent aliens from developing true Warp Travel, as the Qu'orl can testify to. However the Stutter drives of the Tau seem to work well enough, but while the Kroot and Demiurg have true warp drives, they don't seem keen on sharing.

You can't reverse-engineer Necron technology, since it always phases-out whenever they retreat. Imperial and Eldar Warp technology is also impossible to reverse-engineer completely, considering it requires an understanding of the Warp that the Tau do not and will never possess.

I always figured that capturing an imperial ship (stealth suits would probably be pretty terrifying in boarding combat if you think about it), putting a pulse rifle to the captain/navigator's head, and saying "make this thing work or we start blowing body parts off" would be an effective way for the tau to reverse engineer imperial warp technology.

 dementedwombat wrote:
I always figured that capturing an imperial ship (stealth suits would probably be pretty terrifying in boarding combat if you think about it), putting a pulse rifle to the captain/navigator's head, and saying "make this thing work or we start blowing body parts off" would be an effective way for the tau to reverse engineer imperial warp technology.

The issue with his is that the IoM don't understand how the majority of their technology works, often the IoM beleives their tech such as warp drive works because of the.empras will. Also tau are unaffected by the warp, as such they would be unable to use the warp drive evem if they built it perfectly. This is why I argue that the tau would habe to capture a necrons unique FTL drive that does not require psionic capablities. This is why ork, eldar and hummie tech is useless to tau I'm this regard. Unless the tau can figurenit out on their own its capture a necron ship or no dice they are stuck to bunny hops

Edit: to summarize the issue with capturing a human ship, if the IoM or even the navigator doesn't understand how the drive works, as stated in the tau codex, then there is no way foe the tau to benefit. Not that they could since they lack psionic powers.

apparently the Tau had evaluated a captured Imperial Warp engine, and had a mishap or somesuch causing the Ethereals to ban any research along the imperial warp method..not sure where I read that, it may have been old fluff or from FFG, but without Navigators that method is not a viable alternative.

So they do something else, and apparently it works for them fine...plus they have learned how to blow up stars...so they got that going for them

just forget all the use imperial..or reverse engineer necron stuff..they have their own ways of doing things, and seem to be cracking on .

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
apparently the Tau had evaluated a captured Imperial Warp engine, and had a mishap or somesuch causing the Ethereals to ban any research along the imperial warp method..not sure where I read that, it may have been old fluff or from FFG, but without Navigators that method is not a viable alternative.

The Medusa V campaign IIRC. The Ethereals stopped all research on the Warp after seeing the aftermath of a Warp Storm or something like that.

Shaso_Keo wrote:
This is why I argue that the tau would habe to capture a necrons unique FTL drive that does not require psionic capablities.

You can't capture Necron equipment because they phase-out to the nearest Tomb World upon defeat. So unless the Tau actually capture a Tomb World (a hideous proposition that even the most genocidal Imperial Commanders would balk at), it's impossible.

The Tau empires biggest advantage is production time. As I said earlier their new battleships only require ~1 year to make which can go toe to toe with its imperial counter part fairly decently. The imperial counter part though take many decades if not centuries to build.

When the tau found the crashed "alien" (imperial) ship they copied its engine but where never able to get them to work correctly because they lacked psykers.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

Shaso_Keo wrote:
This is why I argue that the tau would habe to capture a necrons unique FTL drive that does not require psionic capablities.

You can't capture Necron equipment because they phase-out to the nearest Tomb World upon defeat. So unless the Tau actually capture a Tomb World (a hideous proposition that even the most genocidal Imperial Commanders would balk at), it's impossible.

If someone finds a Tomb World who's Master Autonomic Program has broken down before it could reawaken the Necrons within, it would be a major boon to any race outside of the IoM (they will just waste the opportunity with plasma). I could see some FW pieces playing on this, but never in a proper codex.

I think Necron tech is safe for the foreseeable future, unless there is a major shift within GW.

 Nilok wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

Shaso_Keo wrote:
This is why I argue that the tau would habe to capture a necrons unique FTL drive that does not require psionic capablities.

You can't capture Necron equipment because they phase-out to the nearest Tomb World upon defeat. So unless the Tau actually capture a Tomb World (a hideous proposition that even the most genocidal Imperial Commanders would balk at), it's impossible.

If someone finds a Tomb World who's Master Autonomic Program has broken down before it could reawaken the Necrons within, it would be a major boon to any race outside of the IoM (they will just waste the opportunity with plasma). I could see some FW pieces playing on this, but never in a proper codex.

I think Necron tech is safe for the foreseeable future, unless there is a major shift within GW.

If you gave Julius Caesar a jet engine, no one in rome would be able to reverse engineer it. The same applies for Necron technology.

 Kain wrote:

 Nilok wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

Shaso_Keo wrote:
This is why I argue that the tau would habe to capture a necrons unique FTL drive that does not require psionic capablities.

You can't capture Necron equipment because they phase-out to the nearest Tomb World upon defeat. So unless the Tau actually capture a Tomb World (a hideous proposition that even the most genocidal Imperial Commanders would balk at), it's impossible.

If someone finds a Tomb World who's Master Autonomic Program has broken down before it could reawaken the Necrons within, it would be a major boon to any race outside of the IoM (they will just waste the opportunity with plasma). I could see some FW pieces playing on this, but never in a proper codex.

I think Necron tech is safe for the foreseeable future, unless there is a major shift within GW.

If you gave Julius Caesar a jet engine, no one in rome would be able to reverse engineer it. The same applies for Necron technology.

Agreed. Their technology is millions of years ahead of the Eldar of all people; if not for psionics, the Necrons would have won the War in Heaven (well, the 3rd Edition Necrons did, but that's beside the point).

 Kain wrote:

 Nilok wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

Shaso_Keo wrote:
This is why I argue that the tau would habe to capture a necrons unique FTL drive that does not require psionic capablities.

You can't capture Necron equipment because they phase-out to the nearest Tomb World upon defeat. So unless the Tau actually capture a Tomb World (a hideous proposition that even the most genocidal Imperial Commanders would balk at), it's impossible.

If someone finds a Tomb World who's Master Autonomic Program has broken down before it could reawaken the Necrons within, it would be a major boon to any race outside of the IoM (they will just waste the opportunity with plasma). I could see some FW pieces playing on this, but never in a proper codex.

I think Necron tech is safe for the foreseeable future, unless there is a major shift within GW.

If you gave Julius Caesar a jet engine, no one in rome would be able to reverse engineer it. The same applies for Necron technology.

In the new Tau Empire Codex, the Tau reverse engineered Ork "technology" and actually made something that worked. If anyone could reverse engineer Necron technology, it would be the Tau.

 Nilok wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Nilok wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

Shaso_Keo wrote:
This is why I argue that the tau would habe to capture a necrons unique FTL drive that does not require psionic capablities.

You can't capture Necron equipment because they phase-out to the nearest Tomb World upon defeat. So unless the Tau actually capture a Tomb World (a hideous proposition that even the most genocidal Imperial Commanders would balk at), it's impossible.

If someone finds a Tomb World who's Master Autonomic Program has broken down before it could reawaken the Necrons within, it would be a major boon to any race outside of the IoM (they will just waste the opportunity with plasma). I could see some FW pieces playing on this, but never in a proper codex.

I think Necron tech is safe for the foreseeable future, unless there is a major shift within GW.

If you gave Julius Caesar a jet engine, no one in rome would be able to reverse engineer it. The same applies for Necron technology.

In the new Tau Empire Codex, the Tau reverse engineered Ork "technology" and actually made something that worked. If anyone could reverse engineer Necron technology, it would be the Tau.

Most impressive...not. Most Ork 'technology' is just bastardized Imperial technology in any case.

 Nilok wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Nilok wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

Shaso_Keo wrote:
This is why I argue that the tau would habe to capture a necrons unique FTL drive that does not require psionic capablities.

You can't capture Necron equipment because they phase-out to the nearest Tomb World upon defeat. So unless the Tau actually capture a Tomb World (a hideous proposition that even the most genocidal Imperial Commanders would balk at), it's impossible.

If someone finds a Tomb World who's Master Autonomic Program has broken down before it could reawaken the Necrons within, it would be a major boon to any race outside of the IoM (they will just waste the opportunity with plasma). I could see some FW pieces playing on this, but never in a proper codex.

I think Necron tech is safe for the foreseeable future, unless there is a major shift within GW.

If you gave Julius Caesar a jet engine, no one in rome would be able to reverse engineer it. The same applies for Necron technology.

In the new Tau Empire Codex, the Tau reverse engineered Ork "technology" and actually made something that worked. If anyone could reverse engineer Necron technology, it would be the Tau.

I also wouldn't be surprised if a mad Heretek could also derive something from Necron tech. It won't be as potent as standard Necron tech, but i doubt it is impossible.

It would still effectively be children trying to gain the powers of the gods. The Necrons are the lords and masters of the Materium who not only make everyone else look like rock thumpers in comparison, they're still advancing their tech. The Tau can't even match up to the pinnacles of Ork or Human science. The Necrontyr on the other hand spit on the accomplishments of DAoT humanity and the Eldar.

The AdMech can't even figure out how Necron technology works (and despite the stereotype they're quite accomplished scientists), and instead throw their arms up in the air and say "feth it, it's magic." I doubt the Earth Caste will have any better luck than the AdMech in even figuring out any of the principles behind Necrontyr technology.

I mean, the Necrons have a galaxy busting weapon up their sleeve, and I doubt even the smartest Earth Caste scientist can measure up to the dumbest Cryptek.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Nilok wrote:

 Kain wrote:

If you gave Julius Caesar a jet engine, no one in rome would be able to reverse engineer it. The same applies for Necron technology.

In the new Tau Empire Codex, the Tau reverse engineered Ork "technology" and actually made something that worked. If anyone could reverse engineer Necron technology, it would be the Tau.

Most impressive...not. Most Ork 'technology' is just bastardized Imperial technology in any case.

Actually i believe it was a Kustom Force Field. A piece of Ork tech not derived from Imperial Technology, which caused the Earth Caste no end of anguish, since it shouldn't have worked in the first place.

And yet the Earth Caste still made a prototype system from it.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Nilok wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Nilok wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

Shaso_Keo wrote:
This is why I argue that the tau would habe to capture a necrons unique FTL drive that does not require psionic capablities.

You can't capture Necron equipment because they phase-out to the nearest Tomb World upon defeat. So unless the Tau actually capture a Tomb World (a hideous proposition that even the most genocidal Imperial Commanders would balk at), it's impossible.

If someone finds a Tomb World who's Master Autonomic Program has broken down before it could reawaken the Necrons within, it would be a major boon to any race outside of the IoM (they will just waste the opportunity with plasma). I could see some FW pieces playing on this, but never in a proper codex.

I think Necron tech is safe for the foreseeable future, unless there is a major shift within GW.

If you gave Julius Caesar a jet engine, no one in rome would be able to reverse engineer it. The same applies for Necron technology.

In the new Tau Empire Codex, the Tau reverse engineered Ork "technology" and actually made something that worked. If anyone could reverse engineer Necron technology, it would be the Tau.

Most impressive...not. Most Ork 'technology' is just bastardized Imperial technology in any case.

Actually the Orks are more advanced than the Imperium in many key areas, such as teleportation, ballistics, and force fields. Which makes sense as the Orks were made to be foot soldiers in a war between virtual gods.

 Nilok wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Nilok wrote:

 Kain wrote:

If you gave Julius Caesar a jet engine, no one in rome would be able to reverse engineer it. The same applies for Necron technology.

In the new Tau Empire Codex, the Tau reverse engineered Ork "technology" and actually made something that worked. If anyone could reverse engineer Necron technology, it would be the Tau.

Most impressive...not. Most Ork 'technology' is just bastardized Imperial technology in any case.

Actually i believe it was a Kustom Force Field. A piece of Ork tech not derived from Imperial Technology, which caused the Earth Caste no end of anguish, since it shouldn't have worked in the first place.

And yet the Earth Caste still made a prototype system from it.

Tau: Yo, what's up gue'la! Come and look at my shiny new force field! Bling, bling melon-fether!

Imperial: (yawns and activates Refractor Field) What?

 Kain wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Nilok wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Nilok wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

Shaso_Keo wrote:
This is why I argue that the tau would habe to capture a necrons unique FTL drive that does not require psionic capablities.

You can't capture Necron equipment because they phase-out to the nearest Tomb World upon defeat. So unless the Tau actually capture a Tomb World (a hideous proposition that even the most genocidal Imperial Commanders would balk at), it's impossible.

If someone finds a Tomb World who's Master Autonomic Program has broken down before it could reawaken the Necrons within, it would be a major boon to any race outside of the IoM (they will just waste the opportunity with plasma). I could see some FW pieces playing on this, but never in a proper codex.

I think Necron tech is safe for the foreseeable future, unless there is a major shift within GW.

If you gave Julius Caesar a jet engine, no one in rome would be able to reverse engineer it. The same applies for Necron technology.

In the new Tau Empire Codex, the Tau reverse engineered Ork "technology" and actually made something that worked. If anyone could reverse engineer Necron technology, it would be the Tau.

Most impressive...not. Most Ork 'technology' is just bastardized Imperial technology in any case.

Actually the Orks are more advanced than the Imperium in many key areas, such as teleportation, ballistics, and force fields.

Only because of the Mechanicum's insistence on 'replication' as opposed to 'innovation'. And the effects are otherwise similar.