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Sorry guys. They do it because of guys like me. Sorry the Necron Obilesk is just to cool not to buy. I have one already preordered.

Here's the part that gets me beat up. I dont even play apocalypse

I was pretty underwhelmed by the last few releases, I was excited about Apoc but then none of the stuff looks very good imo, the only thing that interests me were the SM guys but even they are pretty meh. Seeing the price tag on the collector case kinda surprised me though to be honest.

Ive been leaning more towards other games lately, I find historical games are very fun, and much cheaper then GW stuff.

I was actually looking at this baneblade change and it's more than just the price that has changed. The kit can now make 8 different tanks and comes with 250 unique components. Now, I hadn't looked at it before the update, but I'm fairly sure you could only do like 2 or 3. So if I'm right this means the price point is still sort of justified.

Also, quit bitching about prices. It's like nintendo and mario, just beating a dead horse. text removed. Reds8n

If we could post without insulting vast swathes of other users it'd be appreciated.

Thanks.

I know this. I'm buying a Skulldozer.

It's pure, distilled 40k ridiculousness. Big, stupid, and awesome. It would never work, it doesn't look like they tried to make it look like it could ever work, but for feths sake, it's a giant Khorne robot strapped to a Baneblade, covered in skulls, with a cow catcher added for kicks, wielding a chainaxe.

That model is what 40k is about.

 bibblles wrote:
I was actually looking at this baneblade change and it's more than just the price that has changed. The kit can now make 8 different tanks and comes with 250 unique components. Now, I hadn't looked at it before the update, but I'm fairly sure you could only do like 2 or 3. So if I'm right this means the price point is still sort of justified

Except you can't really use all 8 variants at once, so you're just going to have a bunch of extra sprues to throw away when you're done. Previously you could buy whichever of the two kits had the tank you wanted for $100, now you have to pay $150 for the same tank with extra garbage.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
So long story short, this is another "OMG GW' prices are out of control!" thread, just exacerbated by the high-priced Apocalypse expansion. Haven't we heard enough about how expensive Warhammer is?

If that's your beef then might as well leave Dakka because that discussion is never going to go away until GW slashes prices by 50%...

 Peregrine wrote:

 bibblles wrote:
I was actually looking at this baneblade change and it's more than just the price that has changed. The kit can now make 8 different tanks and comes with 250 unique components. Now, I hadn't looked at it before the update, but I'm fairly sure you could only do like 2 or 3. So if I'm right this means the price point is still sort of justified

Except you can't really use all 8 variants at once, so you're just going to have a bunch of extra sprues to throw away when you're done. Previously you could buy whichever of the two kits had the tank you wanted for $100, now you have to pay $150 for the same tank with extra garbage.

Or you could magnetize to use all of the variants from time to time

 -Loki- wrote:
I know this. I'm buying a Skulldozer.

It's pure, distilled 40k ridiculousness. Big, stupid, and awesome. It would never work, it doesn't look like they tried to make it look like it could ever work, but for feths sake, it's a giant Khorne robot strapped to a Baneblade, covered in skulls, with a cow catcher added for kicks, wielding a chainaxe.

That model is what 40k is about.

Damn right!

Its a shame they only brought out the Khornemower. Would liked to have seen other gods too. Well its a shame its so expensive, else I would have converted it, its tracks and fueldrums would look excellent on a converted Chaos Baneblade. Buy a Baneblade and this thing, convert the mower with the spare Baneblade guns and you would have two different looking chaos tanks, but at this price?

I'll admit, I would have loved to have seen a Nurgle Plague tower and a Tzeench Silver Tower, but I do understand why they don't release many of these kits. They take multiple molds for a single model and a lot of design time from the design team, which isn't easy to make money back on if you release a bunch at the same time.

One Chaos Apocalypse kit will get a lot of sales from Chaos players. Two or three would as well, but they'd all cannibalise each others sales, and basically need to sell 2-3 times as many kits to make the mold and design costs back.

Not to mention, there's other races that have playerbases eagerly awaiting their own turn. I'm sure Tyranid players would have loved a plastic bio-titan of some kind, and Marine players, of which there are many, would kill for a plastic Thunderhawk.

I wonder if it would have been that difficult just to include some extra sprues for it. Just some extra sprues to change/remove the torso with some other things for the gods. Leave the body unchanged but just add some extras, like they did in other kits. Even the new Necron unit has 2 different versions.

I can understand that other players are impatient to get something new, I would be too. But just making a Khornemower will just cut into profits too, from leaving out the other and some might say more popular gods (nurgle). They could have just released something akin to the wraithknight on a smaller scale to fill the gap between the hellbrute and chaos warhound. Would give it a wider base then just Khorne.

The Tesseract Labyrinth box can make an Obelisk and a C'tan, two superheavies.

The new Baneblade box contains the sprues for multiple Baneblade-chassis tanks like the Shadowsword. You can make a superheavy tank and 4-5 extra superheavy turrets. That's why its price has gone up.

Apocalypse was always extremely expensive. Gasoline prices have increased more than Games Workshop products.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
I wonder if it would have been that difficult just to include some extra sprues for it. Just some extra sprues to change/remove the torso with some other things for the gods. Leave the body unchanged but just add some extras, like they did in other kits. Even the new Necron unit has 2 different versions.

More sprues, more money. Knowing GW, one more sprue for making a Plague Tower would push it above $200. Each new sprue, add more.

There are people who still actually buy from GW? I haven't bought anything from them in probably 5 or 6 years. eBay and other online sellers is where it's at.

Lanrak wrote:
People are concerned about GWs 'insane pricing policy (tm)'.As it will eventually kill of their favorite games.

Having lost over 50% of their sales volumes over the last 7 years, and continuing this loss of sales volume at an ever increasing rate.
It will not be too long before GW games loose to much impetus to be self promoting .And then GW plc will be in serious trouble IMO.

What is your basis for this claim? A glance at their annual reports suggests that revenues are up roughly 12% from 2006 to 2012. If you mean, say number of SKUs sold, that doesn't make a lot of sense as a comparison, because their product mix may have shifted over the time period.

Anyway, supposing they now sell fewer SKUs a year for more money, that sounds like good management to me. As a practicing economist, let me tell you that any company that can raise prices and simultaneously raise revenue would be foolish not to do so. You simultaneously have more money coming in and less coming out as expense.

Finally, let's remember that GW is not a charity, and just because you and everyone you know is priced out of their products does not mean their prices are too high. I strongly suspect they make most of their money off a relatively small fraction of their customers, who happen to both buy a lot and be really insensitive to price. Remember, just because they could double their sales by cutting prices say 25% doesn't guarantee that doing so would raise profits.

 Maurepas wrote:
There are people who still actually buy from GW? I haven't bought anything from them in probably 5 or 6 years. eBay and other online sellers is where it's at.

I play at a store, so I support the store. Yeah, I buy my stuff at Australian retail.

 warpspider89 wrote:
Or you could magnetize to use all of the variants from time to time

The problem is the Baneblade and Shadowsword kits use different center hull parts. I guess in theory you could magnetize them with a lot of work, but it's way more difficult than a simple gun swap like a Leman Russ. Most people who buy them are going to choose between Baneblade variants or Shadowsword variants, which means they get the same kit they used to get except they have to pay more for some extra sprues to throw in the garbage.

 MrEconomics wrote:
Anyway, supposing they now sell fewer SKUs a year for more money, that sounds like good management to me. As a practicing economist, let me tell you that any company that can raise prices and simultaneously raise revenue would be foolish not to do so. You simultaneously have more money coming in and less coming out as expense.

That's only true if you ignore market share. Right now GW gets a lot of benefit from having the biggest game in the industry. If you're new to wargaming your purchasing decisions are going to be heavily influenced by what games your friends play, and they probably play a GW game. The more GW goes for a "sell a few boxes for a lot per box" approach the less likely it is that your friends are playing a GW game. And as people default to non-GW games GW gets fewer and fewer replacement customers, which means prices have to go up even more to compensate, and the death spiral continues. Eventually GW is left with a few dedicated collectors, and I doubt they're a big enough market to keep profits at an acceptable level.

GW have always based prices on an expectations model - they do not expect to sell many khornemower kits, as a strict volume, therefore their cost to recoup production, design, shop space etc per unit dictates a higher price. That is fairly simple economics (and is how my industry, car manufacture*, works) - it is just, like all things, a hard act to judge

WHen you line up the mower against the other models in the ranges there is a clear price and value progression as you move upwards, and I suspect approximate in points as well.

Its why the finecast juggerlord is £30 when 3 plastic juggernaughts are £35. They dont expect to sell as many lords so the price increases so they, on average, make a specified profit over the model lifespan.

£95 for a model as large as the khornemower, with as many parts AND detail (even if it isnt detail you like!) as you get on it isnt horrific. It is a lot for "just one model", byt hten my chaos warhound was nearly £300 for "just" one model.

Apocalypse is STRICTLY for vets. So far in the plasticrack hobby that we cant get out

(Also - the gamers set gives you a twice size army case, better constructed, for less than twice the army caase price - and with more felxible foam. Not for everyone, but not an awful deal)

Oh someone mentioned no discounts on the "bundles" - that is because the bundles arent a new SKU, they are just a set of boxes sold together (like at every new release) for convenience. THey arent allowed to discount those, due to an agreement made a LONG time ago that,a s the majority producer of models in UK they wouldnt discount their own products, as that has an unfair advantage over other retailers. So if they wanted to discount a set of boxes, they then need to discount at their suppliers as well - meaning they could turn around and sell the individual boxes at the non-bundle price, effectively lowering GWs margins.

All of that is determined with just a litlte thought, something often lacking in these forums in the seeming eagerness to GW bash.

*they also are required to meet fleet regulatory targets for e.g. CO2 emissions, which is why e.g. a V8 -> V12 jump is much more expensive than the additional cost to manufacture, to ensure the fleet CO2 average isnt outside of tolerance, but GW doesnt have those - but in general the basic idea of unit pricing remains the same between them. Just the car industry doesnt usually work beyond 7yr lifecycles, while GW has 2nd ed models still on sale

What's all this about having bits left over from a kit and then throwing them away?

Do we not have bits boxes any more? Or defense turrets made from yoghurt pots with a baneblade turret stuck on top? Really, that is more depressing than the price of models.

I gotta say, that new Khorne thing is just... ridiculous.
It looks like it's from a morning kid's cartoon, the evil supervillain's new "Evil-super robot" - What is it that sent chaos from being the menacing, twisted, dark race to being the cartoon army of evil?

I certainly wouldn't buy it even if it was half the price!

It just seems like the quality of modelling has tailed off recently, which I find sadder than the exorbitant pricing

 -Loki- wrote:

 Maurepas wrote:
There are people who still actually buy from GW? I haven't bought anything from them in probably 5 or 6 years. eBay and other online sellers is where it's at.

I play at a store, so I support the store. Yeah, I buy my stuff at Australian retail.

I play at stores but they don't support me so I don't support them. If I'm looking for a common kit, like a box of devastators or a box of Gretchin, and they don't have it but will "order it for me"...

No thanks. If I'm going to wait a week for a troop box I'm going to order it from home with a 15-25% discount. I'll buy the codexes but only once I go to an event that says I have to have a hard copy of it.

I only buy from Ebay, friends and *cough*China*cough*

 DeffDred wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Maurepas wrote:
There are people who still actually buy from GW? I haven't bought anything from them in probably 5 or 6 years. eBay and other online sellers is where it's at.

I play at a store, so I support the store. Yeah, I buy my stuff at Australian retail.

I play at stores but they don't support me so I don't support them. If I'm looking for a common kit, like a box of devastators or a box of Gretchin, and they don't have it but will "order it for me"...

No thanks. If I'm going to wait a week for a troop box I'm going to order it from home with a 15-25% discount. I'll buy the codexes but only once I go to an event that says I have to have a hard copy of it.

I only buy from Ebay, friends and *cough*China*cough*

Then don't be surprised if eventually they start to charge a table fee to make up for freeloading. Is your delay of gratification so underdeveloped that you can't wait? That store opened to make money. Its not a charity service for you and your friends to loiter. If they don't have an item, just order it. There are few "hobby emergencies".

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Maurepas wrote:
There are people who still actually buy from GW? I haven't bought anything from them in probably 5 or 6 years. eBay and other online sellers is where it's at.

I play at a store, so I support the store. Yeah, I buy my stuff at Australian retail.

I play at stores but they don't support me so I don't support them. If I'm looking for a common kit, like a box of devastators or a box of Gretchin, and they don't have it but will "order it for me"...

No thanks. If I'm going to wait a week for a troop box I'm going to order it from home with a 15-25% discount. I'll buy the codexes but only once I go to an event that says I have to have a hard copy of it.

I only buy from Ebay, friends and *cough*China*cough*

Then don't be surprised if eventually they start to charge a table fee to make up for freeloading. Is your delay of gratification so underdeveloped that you can't wait? That store opened to make money. Its not a charity service for you and your friends to loiter. If they don't have an item, just order it. There are few "hobby emergencies".

The places around here can't charge for space. Because NO ONE WILL GO if that happens.

I'm opening my own gaming club anyway so it's all for not.

And the Stores around here are more than just gamming areas.

They sell regular board games and such. Thus they make all their money in the final quarter of the year when everyone is buying Christmas presents.

So to make myself clear... I don't care about the FLGS if they aren't providing me with what I need.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Maurepas wrote:
There are people who still actually buy from GW? I haven't bought anything from them in probably 5 or 6 years. eBay and other online sellers is where it's at.

I play at a store, so I support the store. Yeah, I buy my stuff at Australian retail.

I play at stores but they don't support me so I don't support them. If I'm looking for a common kit, like a box of devastators or a box of Gretchin, and they don't have it but will "order it for me"...

No thanks. If I'm going to wait a week for a troop box I'm going to order it from home with a 15-25% discount. I'll buy the codexes but only once I go to an event that says I have to have a hard copy of it.

I only buy from Ebay, friends and *cough*China*cough*

Then don't be surprised if eventually they start to charge a table fee to make up for freeloading. Is your delay of gratification so underdeveloped that you can't wait? That store opened to make money. Its not a charity service for you and your friends to loiter. If they don't have an item, just order it. There are few "hobby emergencies".

Wow. Why are you SO negative? Like my....he'll order from where he wants to order. It's ONE ~$20 order. The store isn't going bankrupt from that. He isn't "freeloading". He's being smart. He'll want the same amount of time either way, he might as well get a discount by doing it himself. And many times, it's not just a gaming store. The store I play at I don't buy from (Oh noez I'm a freeloader), also sells comics and other things. They have a quite small selection of models. They're rolling in money right now.

1-2 people not buying from them won't cause a table fee. Get realistic. If NO ONE buys from them, then they may have to. But that's gonna kill them even more. But you're clearly against these kind of threads, so I didn't expect much anything else.

Don't worry about it. Solofalcon is ALWAYS negative. Just read his recent posts.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
So long story short, this is another "OMG GW' prices are out of control!" thread, just exacerbated by the high-priced Apocalypse expansion. Haven't we heard enough about how expensive Warhammer is?

http://www.destructoid.com/jimquisition-videogames-are-a-luxury-227420.phtml

Watch this. I know it's not about GeeDubya so it might count as off topic, but watch it anyway I implore you. Replace every mention of video games with what Games Workshop are doing and you might see the relative banality of the 'GW's a luxury, so shut up' argument. With the prices constantly being raised there'll be less and less new gamers being brought into the fold to replace those older gamers who don't have anywhere near as much disposable income as the kiddies do. With a stagnant fanbase GW could crash just like comics did in the 90s.

JeneralJoe117 wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
So long story short, this is another "OMG GW' prices are out of control!" thread, just exacerbated by the high-priced Apocalypse expansion. Haven't we heard enough about how expensive Warhammer is?

http://www.destructoid.com/jimquisition-videogames-are-a-luxury-227420.phtml

Watch this. I know it's not about GeeDubya so it might count as off topic, but watch it anyway I implore you. Replace every mention of video games with what Games Workshop are doing and you might see the relative banality of the 'GW's a luxury, so shut up' argument. With the prices constantly being raised there'll be less and less new gamers being brought into the fold to replace those older gamers who don't have anywhere near as much disposable income as the kiddies do. With a stagnant fanbase GW could crash just like comics did in the 90s.

Comics crashed in the 90s because of speculators and an over saturation of product. I dont think people are buying khornemowers with the hope they will increase ten fold in price.

JWhex wrote:

JeneralJoe117 wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
So long story short, this is another "OMG GW' prices are out of control!" thread, just exacerbated by the high-priced Apocalypse expansion. Haven't we heard enough about how expensive Warhammer is?

http://www.destructoid.com/jimquisition-videogames-are-a-luxury-227420.phtml

Watch this. I know it's not about GeeDubya so it might count as off topic, but watch it anyway I implore you. Replace every mention of video games with what Games Workshop are doing and you might see the relative banality of the 'GW's a luxury, so shut up' argument. With the prices constantly being raised there'll be less and less new gamers being brought into the fold to replace those older gamers who don't have anywhere near as much disposable income as the kiddies do. With a stagnant fanbase GW could crash just like comics did in the 90s.

Comics crashed in the 90s because of speculators and an over saturation of product. I dont think people are buying khornemowers with the hope they will increase ten fold in price.

You're right, but then saying that it wasn't helped by the lack of new blood coming into it, and I reckon it's the same with GW