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I actually think they are pretty great for some armies. How huge is 2 skyfire/interceptor lascannons no matter the limitation for a nids or orks list? There are alot of lists that suddenly become viable for those two dexs once you add an AV14 bunker and 2 skyfire weapons.

Overall I think they are a great answer for 4/5ed dexs vs. flyers. I would have liked to be able to man them but then they would have been worse for nids vs other armies, would have been crazy to let a vindicare man a punisher cannon.

Honestly I think they're both balanced well against ADL & quad gun.
You have a very strong AA choice with bunker or
a strong AA choice with cover booster or
a durable gun platform that helps with armor saturation.

My Iron Warriors will have some good fluffy choices to make.

2 vengeance batteries deployed next to the middle in a relic game = lolz!

 Tomb King wrote:
2 vengeance batteries deployed next to the middle in a relic game = lolz!

omg... chaos...

Are the batteries av14 or are they indestructable?

I'm starting to think about buying them. I think they could be a great weapon for a deny flank approach, and would always be annoying the opponent. it might even have them mess up toughchoices!


"If I move these guys away from those TH/SS, they will get hit by two battle cannons..."

 Goat wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:
2 vengeance batteries deployed next to the middle in a relic game = lolz!

omg... chaos...

Are the batteries av14 or are they indestructable?

AV14 impassable buildings.

I love the Quad Skyfire Interceptor Lascannons as much as I hate Flyers.

Thank you GW.

-Matt

Tempted to surround the vengeance platforms with Plague Bearers or something similar to remove any AV12 vehicle in front of the Punisher or 2+ save unit for the battle cannon.

Just wondering the issue. If you cant target unoccupied buildings then can these fortifications even be destroyed?

Yes, their rules specifically say you can.
You even cant aim at the quad Icarus, just the bunker itself.


GW didn't mess THAT one up (imagine the OPness if you couldn't touch them)

Though the vengence gattaling got some charm into them, if the enemy don't have much melee threat, you can drop them in the enemy area and watch the madness.

Do buildings count as units? Just curious since it could mean that you could take your opponents Vengeance batteries out of contention if he deploys first....

Thinking about adding the Vengeance Batteries to my Daemons and Ork lists. Question is, do I go Battle Cannon or Punisher Cannons. The Ork player in me says more dakka!

Is there somewhere I can get some clear info about them (or someone willing to post here)?
Because I did not understand very well their price and/or their equipment.

At least I'd love to understand what they are and what they do before considering if they are worth buying

EricBasser wrote:
Thinking about adding the Vengeance Batteries to my Daemons and Ork lists. Question is, do I go Battle Cannon or Punisher Cannons. The Ork player in me says more dakka!

I'm in the same boat, but as Chaos.

I'm leaning towards one of each, just split the difference. If I had to choose, I'd feel safer with the battle cannon.

I finally get an ADL done up Eldar style and now I have to find a way to make a Firestorm Redoubt Eldar style. GAH!

But I so could use the added Skyfire/Interceptor to keep flyer/FMC spam at bay!

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
I finally get an ADL done up Eldar style and now I have to find a way to make a Firestorm Redoubt Eldar style. GAH!

But I so could use the added Skyfire/Interceptor to keep flyer/FMC spam at bay!

You should be able to toss some bright lances on it for an equivalent look.

I think the battle cannon is just so much better then the punisher cannon. BS2 doesnt really effect it. Its like a LRBT with a LR chasis and unlimited hull points with -1 BS. For 2/3 the cost.

unlimited hullpoints? O.o

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
unlimited hullpoints? O.o

It's a building. Buildings don't have hullpoints.

Having had a quick flick through the rules tonight there is no specifc allowence for these to be used in 40k though, mainly thinking tourny here rather then friendly games. At least the Apoc one mentions 40k these do not.

MarkyMark wrote:
Having had a quick flick through the rules tonight there is no specifc allowence for these to be used in 40k though, mainly thinking tourny here rather then friendly games. At least the Apoc one mentions 40k these do not.

It's on GW's website

Rules for using this scenery piece in games of Warhammer 40,000 are included in the box. If you wish to use this in games of Apocalypse you will find the rules in the Apocalypse rulebook.

The rules for 40k are the ones in the box. Otherwise we could do a class action lawsuit against GW for false advertising

I think for my footguard I am going to stick to my ADL and quadgun,,,,but for my SOB,,,,now ,,,theres a problem,,,,,,,,the choice between two twin lascannons or two battlecannon bastions,,,,,GW finally comes out with something useful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Battle cannons cant hit flyers. So when you have to shoot the closest enemy flyer what happens? Will the shots be lost if there is a flyer on the board?

Closest target/model would mean a battle cannon would ignore a flyer, as it cannot hit one. And how long is a flyer going to be able to be a closest target anyway?

Quad Lascannons all the way.
With other weapon systems, a drop pod will pull the fire off of targets further away.
Flyers on the other hand are pretty much ALL priority targets, so even if I have to kill the closest, I'm still killing a flyer.

-Matt

You deploy your vengeance batteries, but then he deploys his mere inches away.

Cue hilarity.

I love the look of these fortifications. I have a question: Would it be possible/viable to place the redoubt behind my aegis line (both forts. touching and then place the ADL quad cannon ONTO the redoubt (in the middle position i guess)?

 sub-zero wrote:
I love the look of these fortifications. I have a question: Would it be possible/viable to place the redoubt behind my aegis line (both forts. touching and then place the ADL quad cannon ONTO the redoubt (in the middle position i guess)?

stop using viable as a replacement for usable. not the same thing.

No, you wouldn't be able to add a quad gun purchased for the ADL onto another model. Otherwise, I could take the Icarus and put it on my Crusader. they would also still have to be separatwd by 1" as they are two distinct formations, as normal.

and I assume you are using a double FOC to bring in two fortifications, right?

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 sub-zero wrote:
I love the look of these fortifications. I have a question: Would it be possible/viable to place the redoubt behind my aegis line (both forts. touching and then place the ADL quad cannon ONTO the redoubt (in the middle position i guess)?

stop using viable as a replacement for usable. not the same thing.

No, you wouldn't be able to add a quad gun purchased for the ADL onto another model. Otherwise, I could take the Icarus and put it on my Crusader. they would also still have to be separatwd by 1" as they are two distinct formations, as normal.

and I assume you are using a double FOC to bring in two fortifications, right?

My fault, I forgot about the whole double FOC thing, o well......

If these become as big a part of the meta as ADLs, they're going to really up the value and utility of Maulerfiends