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Can these actually be used for regular 40k and not apoc? i was reading this thread at work and there was a rogue trader yesterday so I was going to swing by between matches and get a vengance fortification but everyone said it was apoc only

Exalbaru wrote:
Can these actually be used for regular 40k and not apoc? i was reading this thread at work and there was a rogue trader yesterday so I was going to swing by between matches and get a vengance fortification but everyone said it was apoc only

Yes they can be used in 40k.

Show them the box and point to where it says 40k, and ask if they see the word apocalypse stamped under it. When they say no, hit them with the box and tell them to deal with it

Also the gw site says the rules for using it in 40k are in the box.

If you get the strongpoint, please pm me a copy of the rules

sirlynchmob wrote:

Exalbaru wrote:
Can these actually be used for regular 40k and not apoc? i was reading this thread at work and there was a rogue trader yesterday so I was going to swing by between matches and get a vengance fortification but everyone said it was apoc only

Yes they can be used in 40k.

Show them the box and point to where it says 40k, and ask if they see the word apocalypse stamped under it. When they say no, hit them with the box and tell them to deal with it

Also the gw site says the rules for using it in 40k are in the box.

If you get the strongpoint, please pm me a copy of the rules

I may have to keep it in my box just to be safe, if I get one no worries, I'm leaning more towards vengance platform but now I have to drive down to town to get it, sort of a waste of gas to go spend money without already being down there. Maybe one of each, if I remember correctly I can get two fortificatgions in a game

Exalbaru wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

Exalbaru wrote:
Can these actually be used for regular 40k and not apoc? i was reading this thread at work and there was a rogue trader yesterday so I was going to swing by between matches and get a vengance fortification but everyone said it was apoc only

Yes they can be used in 40k.

Show them the box and point to where it says 40k, and ask if they see the word apocalypse stamped under it. When they say no, hit them with the box and tell them to deal with it

Also the gw site says the rules for using it in 40k are in the box.

If you get the strongpoint, please pm me a copy of the rules

I may have to keep it in my box just to be safe, if I get one no worries, I'm leaning more towards vengance platform but now I have to drive down to town to get it, sort of a waste of gas to go spend money without already being down there. Maybe one of each, if I remember correctly I can get two fortificatgions in a game

Just 1 for under 2k games. over 2k you get 2 fortification spots. But the vengeance weapons battery lets you buy 2 and field them as 1 fortification FOC spot.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Exalbaru wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

Exalbaru wrote:
Can these actually be used for regular 40k and not apoc? i was reading this thread at work and there was a rogue trader yesterday so I was going to swing by between matches and get a vengance fortification but everyone said it was apoc only

Yes they can be used in 40k.

Show them the box and point to where it says 40k, and ask if they see the word apocalypse stamped under it. When they say no, hit them with the box and tell them to deal with it

Also the gw site says the rules for using it in 40k are in the box.

If you get the strongpoint, please pm me a copy of the rules

I may have to keep it in my box just to be safe, if I get one no worries, I'm leaning more towards vengance platform but now I have to drive down to town to get it, sort of a waste of gas to go spend money without already being down there. Maybe one of each, if I remember correctly I can get two fortificatgions in a game

Just 1 for under 2k games. over 2k you get 2 fortification spots. But the vengeance weapons battery lets you buy 2 and field them as 1 fortification FOC spot.

Ah, makes sence, thank you for the info. definately getting a couple of them. Just gotta figure out my options for magnetizing options.

Exalbaru wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

Exalbaru wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

Exalbaru wrote:
Can these actually be used for regular 40k and not apoc? i was reading this thread at work and there was a rogue trader yesterday so I was going to swing by between matches and get a vengance fortification but everyone said it was apoc only

Yes they can be used in 40k.

Show them the box and point to where it says 40k, and ask if they see the word apocalypse stamped under it. When they say no, hit them with the box and tell them to deal with it

Also the gw site says the rules for using it in 40k are in the box.

If you get the strongpoint, please pm me a copy of the rules

I may have to keep it in my box just to be safe, if I get one no worries, I'm leaning more towards vengance platform but now I have to drive down to town to get it, sort of a waste of gas to go spend money without already being down there. Maybe one of each, if I remember correctly I can get two fortificatgions in a game

Just 1 for under 2k games. over 2k you get 2 fortification spots. But the vengeance weapons battery lets you buy 2 and field them as 1 fortification FOC spot.

Ah, makes sence, thank you for the info. definately getting a couple of them. Just gotta figure out my options for magnetizing options.

Psssst *whispers* I wouldn't mind a PM'd copy of those rules as well.

HawaiiMatt wrote:
I love the Quad Skyfire Interceptor Lascannons as much as I hate Flyers.

Thank you GW.

-Matt

This, so much this.

My boyz also have a krump-on for mass LoS blocking by putting that stuff in the centre of the board.

There is hope for this game yet.

 Dakkamite wrote:

HawaiiMatt wrote:
I love the Quad Skyfire Interceptor Lascannons as much as I hate Flyers.

Thank you GW.

-Matt

This, so much this.

My boyz also have a krump-on for mass LoS blocking by putting that stuff in the centre of the board.

There is hope for this game yet.

I think we all know how much you struggle to deny LOS at all costs...

So if the Firestorm is also a bunker, what are you putting in it?

Vengeance BC's for Orks all the way!!! Gold!

They are better and way cheaper with better AV then the closest Ork equivalent: Boom Gun on Looted Wagon.

Any of the weapons would work for Orks with our awesome BS o' 2.

Don't need a bunker and Lootas can take care of any fliers.

I see one mistep with the Firestorm Redoubt. The rules say Firepoints: As per model. And the bunker just has 1 massive slit. So we are to believe that only 2 men can fire out of it. If your lucky your opponent will give you a fire point for each facing since it looks like this \___/

sirlynchmob wrote:

Exalbaru wrote:
Can these actually be used for regular 40k and not apoc? i was reading this thread at work and there was a rogue trader yesterday so I was going to swing by between matches and get a vengance fortification but everyone said it was apoc only

Yes they can be used in 40k.

Show them the box and point to where it says 40k, and ask if they see the word apocalypse stamped under it. When they say no, hit them with the box and tell them to deal with it

Also the gw site says the rules for using it in 40k are in the box.

The rulebook has something to say on the matter as well:

Rulebook, pg 114 wrote:All fortifications have a datasheet that contains all the information you'll need to use them in your games.

 Goat wrote:
I see one mistep with the Firestorm Redoubt. The rules say Firepoints: As per model. And the bunker just has 1 massive slit. So we are to believe that only 2 men can fire out of it. If your lucky your opponent will give you a fire point for each facing since it looks like this \___/

Let's hope so, if not something like a Tac Squad or Infantry squad would work, since they have fewer high value guns.

 minigun762 wrote:

 Goat wrote:
I see one mistep with the Firestorm Redoubt. The rules say Firepoints: As per model. And the bunker just has 1 massive slit. So we are to believe that only 2 men can fire out of it. If your lucky your opponent will give you a fire point for each facing since it looks like this \___/

Let's hope so, if not something like a Tac Squad or Infantry squad would work, since they have fewer high value guns.

Didn't 5th Edition have a rule stating that you could have X models fire depending on how long the opening was? I don't see that in the new rulebook, so I suspect someone forgot that detail when they designed the redoubt.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:

 Goat wrote:
I see one mistep with the Firestorm Redoubt. The rules say Firepoints: As per model. And the bunker just has 1 massive slit. So we are to believe that only 2 men can fire out of it. If your lucky your opponent will give you a fire point for each facing since it looks like this \___/

Let's hope so, if not something like a Tac Squad or Infantry squad would work, since they have fewer high value guns.

Didn't 5th Edition have a rule stating that you could have X models fire depending on how long the opening was? I don't see that in the new rulebook, so I suspect someone forgot that detail when they designed the redoubt.

Right above where it says 2 models per fire point is a clause, unless otherwise agreed upon.

so start by asking for 10 firepoints because it's a huge window.
don't accept less than 3, 1 per facing.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:

 Goat wrote:
I see one mistep with the Firestorm Redoubt. The rules say Firepoints: As per model. And the bunker just has 1 massive slit. So we are to believe that only 2 men can fire out of it. If your lucky your opponent will give you a fire point for each facing since it looks like this \___/

Let's hope so, if not something like a Tac Squad or Infantry squad would work, since they have fewer high value guns.

Didn't 5th Edition have a rule stating that you could have X models fire depending on how long the opening was? I don't see that in the new rulebook, so I suspect someone forgot that detail when they designed the redoubt.

Right above where it says 2 models per fire point is a clause, unless otherwise agreed upon.

so start by asking for 10 firepoints because it's a huge window.
don't accept less than 3, 1 per facing.

If you're playing marines with no dev squad... you can have 10 firepoints. If you're playing orks with 3 squads of loota's, it's 1 FP. Sorry m8. haha

Are people staying with a Quad Gun ADL or moving to the Firestorm for AA?

IDk, I want to hear if the Vengeance batteries actually help.

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
IDk, I want to hear if the Vengeance batteries actually help.

I played a 2K game where we were testing out the new fortifications.
I think I wouldn't put anyone inside the firestorm.
Poor guys in the bunker... that fireslit is soo big.
Page 94: If a unit assaults a build, any of its models that are within 2" of at least one Fire Point can each throw one grenade inside the building.
Does D6 (blast) or D3 (no blast) hits.
I rolled up like this:
http://blog.antoniovalente.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/dirty_dozen.jpg
And stuffed it full of grenades and gasoline.
Why yes, I do buy krak for my platoons.
Looks like that's (rolls bucket of dice) 41 S6 AP4 hits.
So 2 guys can shoot out, but ~30 guys can toss grenades in; Brilliant rules GW.
It's a decent fortification, it was just the Fire Point that is a stupid rule.

I ran 4 Vengeance, 2 battle cannons and 2 punishers. I liked the mix.
I would fire the Punisher to clear chaff from the battle cannon.

My take on them all is this:
If you're going mech, take Vengeance. A bit more AV14 is good, and it's good cover for tanks to peek around.
If you're running infantry, take Aegis Defense Line.
If you're facing an airforce, take Firestorm. It's more expensive than the defense line, and you're most likely better off leaving it empty and just let the guys auto fire. And use it to hide your barrage units.

I am going to give the Firestorm a try with my jump pack blood angles. It's big enough to block line of sight mid-field, and unlike the fortress, you can't capture and man the guns.

Nice report back!

 minigun762 wrote:
Nice report back!

Indeed, interested to hear more--definately getting the vengance next time I'm in Honolulu but still undecided about firestorm

Hi guys, sorry for bumping a slightly old topic,
I know this might be a daft question to some of you, I play Necrons, havn't had much experience against bulks of flyers.

But am having a game against a Dark Eldar force with a 3 flyer formation of Razorwings...
Would it be good to get a Firestorm to counter the 3 flyers? Or would it be better to use Annihilation barges as AA instead?
What would give a better potential for taking a flyer down?
He will also be using Vampires (I think they are called) and those flying winged people that glance on 2s and pen on 6s...

Thanks

Ive played against the firestorm redoubt and the vengeance batteries with the battle cannons and they are both pretty solid. The redoubt can hide thunderfire cannons behind it easily so that should be enough for some people.