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 ironicsilence wrote:
i hate everything about the size creep in 40k.

Agreed, but the Wraithknight/Riptide were the final straw for me. The scale is this game is just wacky.

Griever wrote:

 ironicsilence wrote:
i hate everything about the size creep in 40k.

Agreed, but the Wraithknight/Riptide were the final straw for me. The scale is this game is just wacky.

What alternative does GW have? Invent new bland variants of basic troops? Invent countless more random infantry types that were never in fluff? The "larger size" area of 40k is unexplored and has room for a large variety of new interesting units, and sales show that this is in fact what people want to buy.

Should be interesting how they plan to shoe horn this in the Index Astartes.

Sounds like an excuse to give marines access to MCs in standard lists (not just meph), which is bs. Remember when each army had a character trait that it was known for? Like Eldar being all about speed? Well F you, marines get everything.

The concept of "Marine tax" started as a joke and now has become some twisted reality.

I generally am averse to all of the throwback re-released models Forgeworld has done, but I would really like to see a remake of this thing.



So far as redoing Chaos Terminators, why would they possibly do that? They're one of the best models Chaos has and they're already in plastic.

Chaos termies have one of the worse cases of lack of good load outs in a box. Last time I checked its hard to get a squad of all the same gear.

What stuff are they missing? When I made my post I was talking about aesthetics, not tabletop viability - I guess I forgot they can take a lot of special weapons, right?

 Ouze wrote:
What stuff are they missing? When I made my post I was talking about aesthetics, not tabletop viability - I guess I forgot they can take a lot of special weapons, right?

He didn't say it's missing stuff, he said it's hard getting a uniform loadout for the squad. The options are there, but generally only once for the whole squad. When you want 5 combi meltas and only get 1, it doesn't stretch very far.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Yeah, why dont we have flyer terminators.
IT cant be that hard to strap a jump pack to them.

Of course it isn't. That was fairly staple in Rogue Trader/1st edition.

So was polymorphined models in Terminator armour in 2nd edition. That grot? He's really an inquisitor in Terminator armour. With a virus grenade. Deal with it.

Earlier editions are super silly.

Nice strawman brah.

 Ouze wrote:

So far as redoing Chaos Terminators, why would they possibly do that? They're one of the best models Chaos has and they're already in plastic.

A couple people have made this mistake. There's a colon between the C and the SM in the title of the thread, indicating that it's Codex: Space Marines and not Chaos. Either way, there's nothing for this rumor to stand on so I don't see anything coming of it.

I don't mid a SM <inserte>knight model or even big cybots or servitors. But bigger termies?

 Brother SRM wrote:
There's a colon between the C and the SM in the title of the thread, indicating that it's Codex: Space Marines and not Chaos

.....oops

Maybe the C stands for Custodes and we get some terminators from them ?

 livanbard wrote:
I don't mid a SM <inserte>knight model or even big cybots or servitors. But bigger termies?

See? There you go; Forge Guardians, a special type of heavy combat servitor employed by Space Marine Chapters to guard their production facilities and technological relics, who are sometimes taken onto the battlefield by the Master of the Forge. New unit, within the theme but explores a new area of it, not a rehash of an existing unit. Would also provide conversion fodder for people doing AdMech armies, and new models for people playing Grey Knights who want combat servitors, same for IG players, so has broad appeal.

There are loads of possibilities to expand existing armies without just resorting to "MOAR BIG MODELZ!" or "THAT WUN BUT BIGGAH!", but either the design studio have run out of creativity, or the higher-ups are stifling it in order to normalise all the armies.

 Yodhrin wrote:
There are loads of possibilities to expand existing armies without just resorting to "MOAR BIG MODELZ!" or "THAT WUN BUT BIGGAH!", but either the design studio have run out of creativity, or the higher-ups are stifling it in order to normalise all the armies.

Nonsense. Give it a few years and every legal model will come on an big oval base. Even general infantry squads.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
There are loads of possibilities to expand existing armies without just resorting to "MOAR BIG MODELZ!" or "THAT WUN BUT BIGGAH!", but either the design studio have run out of creativity, or the higher-ups are stifling it in order to normalise all the armies.

Nonsense. Give it a few years and every legal model will come on an big oval base. Even general infantry squads.

Gotta shift those remaining Artemis models somehow. He's "TRUscale" you see.

Move over tactical dred armour its time for Tactical Titan Armour!
screw oblitorators, C:SM are getting Mega Termies packing a gun on each arm and a shoulder and they can fire them all! mwahahaha

 Yodhrin wrote:

 livanbard wrote:
I don't mid a SM <inserte>knight model or even big cybots or servitors. But bigger termies?

See? There you go; Forge Guardians, a special type of heavy combat servitor employed by Space Marine Chapters to guard their production facilities and technological relics, who are sometimes taken onto the battlefield by the Master of the Forge. New unit, within the theme but explores a new area of it, not a rehash of an existing unit. Would also provide conversion fodder for people doing AdMech armies, and new models for people playing Grey Knights who want combat servitors, same for IG players, so has broad appeal.

There are loads of possibilities to expand existing armies without just resorting to "MOAR BIG MODELZ!" or "THAT WUN BUT BIGGAH!", but either the design studio have run out of creativity, or the higher-ups are stifling it in order to normalise all the armies.

Your idea for a new unit...is servitors? Sorry but I'd take turbo terminators over a pseudo admech unit any day of the week.

 BryllCream wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 livanbard wrote:
I don't mid a SM <inserte>knight model or even big cybots or servitors. But bigger termies?

See? There you go; Forge Guardians, a special type of heavy combat servitor employed by Space Marine Chapters to guard their production facilities and technological relics, who are sometimes taken onto the battlefield by the Master of the Forge. New unit, within the theme but explores a new area of it, not a rehash of an existing unit. Would also provide conversion fodder for people doing AdMech armies, and new models for people playing Grey Knights who want combat servitors, same for IG players, so has broad appeal.

There are loads of possibilities to expand existing armies without just resorting to "MOAR BIG MODELZ!" or "THAT WUN BUT BIGGAH!", but either the design studio have run out of creativity, or the higher-ups are stifling it in order to normalise all the armies.

Your idea for a new unit...is servitors? Sorry but I'd take turbo terminators over a pseudo admech unit any day of the week.

Lets be honest here Bryll, you'd buy the new Space Marine Land Turd, a flying coil of dog turd, if it were a plastic kit put out by GW.

I've not bought a kit from gw in over a year. Why would you when you can get most things discounted on ebay?

Part of me wants to say we don't need a stepping stone between Terminators and Dreadnoughts. We've already got two types of terminator and three types of dread in C:SM.

But who am I kidding? If we got uber-terminators,I porbably would buy a kit like that. I'm just not sure what actual role they could play that isn't already covered by something else in the book.

The only thing I wouldn't like to see is a flyer-base MC. I just can't see how that would fit the army at all.

 c0j1r0 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Link to the original rumor?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/07/40k-rumors-space-marine-minis.html

I saw that many people were talking about new, larger miniatures for Terminators.
However, said like that it would seem that they are adding a whole new unit, like a sort of Super Terminator, instead of replacing the current Terminator model. Am I missing something?

"Recovered from the long lost Forge World of Equinius Mortis, Feribundus-Pattern Tactical Doomknight Armour has been in service with most Marine Chapters for millennia. Really. It's always been just off to the side of any recorded picts until now, for some reason, but it's totally always been there. The Adeptus Terra aren't just adding it in now. Honest."

Yeah...

Shouldn't regular terminators already be 'super' enough? The rules really just need to be altered to make 2+ armour more durable, and so that small arms fire isn't as marginalized as it is becoming.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Recovered from the long lost Forge World of Equinius Mortis, Feribundus-Pattern Tactical Doomknight Armour has been in service with most Marine Chapters for millennia. Really. It's always been just off to the side of any recorded picts until now, for some reason, but it's totally always been there. The Adeptus Terra aren't just adding it in now. Honest."

Yeah...

That was awesome but sillyness aside you know its going to be spot on lol...

Deep within mechanicus forge worlds lay secret values filled with ancient relics of wars long past sitting in solitude, some forgotten, some steeped in mystery, others locked away considered heretical, too extreme for most chapters to bring to bear against the enemy in fear they may fall into the wrong hands. Alongside these treasures sit stasis vaults with intricate time vortex locks than can only be opened by a psychic link far stronger than has been known for millennia. In times of need such vaults have opened as if guided by a higher power revealing huge stocks of potent weaponry, powerful conversion beamers, huge stocks of plasma weapons and devastating special issue bolter munitions, now as ever conflicts are being fought that shape the very balance of the galaxy, and one such vault has just opened to help swing the war in the favour of mankind once more, this vault contains ancient patterns of armour left by the emperor himself to help us reclaim the stars. Echelon Termanius-maximus Titanicus armour, its uber emperor class powers will give your marines the war boner they need to kick serious {insert xeno genitals here}.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Recovered from the long lost Forge World of Equinius Mortis, Feribundus-Pattern Tactical Doomknight Armour has been in service with most Marine Chapters for millennia. Really. It's always been just off to the side of any recorded picts until now, for some reason, but it's totally always been there. The Adeptus Terra aren't just adding it in now. Honest."

Yeah...

Seems legit, I trust our benevolent overlords in Terra

Scraping the bottom of the barrel for rumors:

via a Reader on Faeit 212 wrote:
I was talking to my LGS owner yesterday and we got on the subject of rumors, he said space marines are next as his rep comes to him monthly and says “Do you want to buy X item” the owner says he does, and his rep replies “Sorry but you can’t its being re-done” This happens mostly with Battleforces, and it was the Space Marine Battleforce this time around.

Well, at least that's a thing that regularly happens and not some new rumor of a unit that comes off as completely redundant. For all we know they're just switching to new box art for the Battleforce to bring it in line with the Eldar and their new packaging aesthetic though.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Well, at least that's a thing that regularly happens and not some new rumor of a unit that comes off as completely redundant. For all we know they're just switching to new box art for the Battleforce to bring it in line with the Eldar and their new packaging aesthetic though.

Or they're about to give us a new Tactical Squad box - 5 Marines for the price of 10! Yeah!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
Well, at least that's a thing that regularly happens and not some new rumor of a unit that comes off as completely redundant. For all we know they're just switching to new box art for the Battleforce to bring it in line with the Eldar and their new packaging aesthetic though.

Or they're about to give us a new Tactical Squad box - 5 Marines for the price of 10! Yeah!

Ssshh! They'll hear you! And personally I'm still smarting from that slap across the face with IG.

 Ravenous D wrote:
Should be interesting how they plan to shoe horn this in the Index Astartes.

Sounds like an excuse to give marines access to MCs in standard lists (not just meph), which is bs. Remember when each army had a character trait that it was known for? Like Eldar being all about speed? Well F you, marines get everything.

The concept of "Marine tax" started as a joke and now has become some twisted reality.

If only there were some sort of faction that was supposed to represent a Jack-of-all-trades, a Swiss Army Knife, a versatile, adaptible army that can fight in whatever way is required, but never be the best at what they do...