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If you actually had any interest in tactical advise then you really need to provide a general idea of what you have to bring for the space puppies and if you play with forgeworld in your area. Also some idea of points level is necessary.

Additionally you need to get rid of the idea that lists or dexs can be WAAC. People can be WAAC. If this guy gets angry anytime he is beaten then he perhaps is WAAC but based on the elements of his list you put forth I would not consider him even particularly competitive. Skip over to some of the batrep threads on eldar and you will see much scarier armies there. Your way of putting forth this question has not portrayed the question or yourself in a particularly positive light. You may want to reevaluate your approach to this.

I would like to point out that the above IG tank spamm list is actually not a competitive list and is liable to get steam rolled against a competent eldar play as he outflanks, move behind, and DS units into the AV10 rear armour. May the emperor help you if he brought a wraithknight, crimson hunter, or warp spiders. Squadroned vehicles can only fire on one unit a turn so you will even be boned on trying to claim objectives.

I will go ahead and put forth a few lists and tactics based on the extremely vague question you asked.


This list basically hammer the opponent with the long fangs behind an aegis and then drop behind the waveserpents and melta/ living lightning them to death. You can then charge the contents and/or jaws them, you may want to trade in jaws for a different power due to the high initiative of the eldar.


Jy2 just recenly ran a very unique SW army and did very well at a recent tournament.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/536607.page#top

Finally there is the standard tourney IG/SW lists. Depending on how mant vendettas you want this may change.

Sorry OP, looks like you made the mistake of drawing all the 'that's not WAAC, the difference between WAAC and competitive is blah blah blah' fellows out of the woodwork, where quite a lot of them reside here at Dakkadakka. Your thread is irredeemable now.

Hmm... "Eldar dex isn't cheese, Eldar dex isn't broken."

Wonder how many of you were crying about Space pups in 5th.

Pyeatt wrote:
Hmm... "Eldar dex isn't cheese, Eldar dex isn't broken."

Wonder how many of you were crying about Space pups in 5th.

An internet community renown for whining about overpowered/undercosted units, is by consensus, telling you they're not cheese. Surely that tells you something?

I'm sorry to go off topic, but I find it a bit insulting that people are trying to give you advice and you just keep making inane comments about what they would have considered cheese in 5th or how they aren't playing enough Eldar.

You've been given decent advice, and ignored questions to help people give you better advice. Do you want help or a shoulder to cry on?

 Savageconvoy wrote:
I'm sorry to go off topic, but I find it a bit insulting that people are trying to give you advice and you just keep making inane comments about what they would have considered cheese in 5th or how they aren't playing enough Eldar.

You've been given decent advice, and ignored questions to help people give you better advice. Do you want help or a shoulder to cry on?

This might shed some light on the OP for you.

Pyeatt wrote:
Hmm... "Eldar dex isn't cheese, Eldar dex isn't broken."

Wonder how many of you were crying about Space pups in 5th.

I suggest that in the future you choose a forum to troll more carefully. There is indeed a report button and no one here is afraid of reporting troll behavior, especially when you post about how easily Eldar are beaten on the same day.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
I'm sorry to go off topic, but I find it a bit insulting that people are trying to give you advice and you just keep making inane comments about what they would have considered cheese in 5th or how they aren't playing enough Eldar.

Quite.

If you're not going to engage honestly and fairly with the other posters then there's no point in you posting.

Pyeatt wrote:
Hmm... "Eldar dex isn't cheese, Eldar dex isn't broken."

Wonder how many of you were crying about Space pups in 5th.

Oh, I'm still crying because grey hunters are still stupidly good compared to Astartes marines. Mainly because my Astartes marines left a knife and a plasma gun in their locker room.

lol this thread is kind of funny! Just glad he's not whining about Tau

Unfortunately, if you are the person I spoke with a few weeks back, I provided a pretty clear way to get around a lot of the Elder strengths with the Space Wolves. Of not, I would take a good look at drop pods as the focus. The SW codex has a lot of counters to the current Elder codex.

If you don't have the models, then proxy them. Your Elder opponent does as well as nearly every other player I have encountered at that shop.

To be fair their also appears to be a good number of casual players and the particular Elder player is fairly tournament minded.

Ignore the wraithknight unless you have something that is effective at hurting it.

Don't shoot the T7 weapons platform behind an aegis. It's a waste of your dakka, shoot something else. Also note despite all their durabilty against dakka they fold like a wet paper towel in CC.

Do shoot the dark reapers with anything low to mid str. T3 with a 3+ isn't very durable. They are about 3 times the cost of a battle sister after upgrades and as durable as a single battle sister.

Wraithfighter is AV10 and expensive. Knock it out of the sky.

Wave serpents are also low priority targets if their shield is up.

Half the eldar units have a glass jaw, and the other half are nearly immune to shooting attacks under specific conditions. The Eldar player the OP is talking about is stomping his opponents because they are playing into his army's strengths and have piss poor target priority.

Pyeatt wrote:
At the only store in Augusta, GA for Warhammer 40k, there's a nice enough fellow who absolutely abuses every piece of cheese in the new Eldar codex. He runs a Wraithknight, wraithfighter, Dark Reapers, some kind of heavy support gun, and the bare minimum guardians. He keeps everything either tucked behind an aegis defense line, close to his DECKED OUT 2 wave serpents, or behind "upgraded cover"? wtf? And a small squad of Warp spiders to run around and distract the enemy...

Every game I've seen him in, he might lose the warp spiders, but that's it. I managed to kill 1 wave serpent the entire game. He came in 2nd in a tournament recently, to a Tau cheese abuser.

The only game he's ever almost lost with them was against Grey Knights decked with teleporters, and he got pissed and accused the guy of cheating..

I have plenty of greyknights to put the fear of the emperor in this guy..but how can I do it with Space Wolves? that would be righteous!

It's pretty simple really, I play SW, and we have some nasty stuff we can do to campers, Do Runepriest spam, and run 4 instances of living lighting,

Infinite range, and it will really strip hull points off most things and fast. Stick them with some grey hunters for protection behind an aegis, and I think you'll do fine,

walk on from reserve, if you're worried about his warp spiders shooting you.

As for the Wraith knight, we have the best BS snipers, so they should put a hurting on him, and if you're really wanting him gone, run a barebones lord, with mark of the hunter,

and outflank some combi-melta wolf guard and take some wounds off him, he is T-8 so honestly

lascannons might be the better choice, or run a laspred, and drive on once the serpents are dead from LL spam. As for dark reapers,

boltgun scouts walking on (and their pretty much guaranteed to come where you want them due to the new way acute senses works) should be

enough, throw in a plasma gun if you're really worried, and they should go down fairly easily. And the LL can also take down his fighter with laughable ease.

I play eldar, and the easiest way I would think to win versus this list is a standard drop pod list with combi flamers, 3 longfang squads. Kill guardians 1st turn = win on objectives.


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Or actually combi melta will give them a bad time too.

That sounds good in theory, but while you are torching guardians, the rest of the list is tabling your SW. I've tried this with fragnoughts, and the Eldar only need a couple squad in wave serpents and to S6 ROFL STOMP your troops. If meqs have any *good* solutions to Eldar, I don't see them.

The best ways I have found to deal with Eldar, generally speaking, include fielding lots of autocannons, barrage weapons, and psykers (telepathy ftw).

Also land raider achilles tanks troll them all day every day. Due to ignoring their two most relied upon tank killing special rules and bringing all the joys of multimeltas and thunderfirss.

Mali wrote:
yeah what do you mean about overlapping shields??

as for the Wolves of fenris. Massed drop pods. Wolves can field up to 12 easily. dont take logan and WG in the 12 pod list. just put pods and Grey hunters in his face and behind his ADL.

This.

It's nasty vs. any army too...not just Eldar. Even if the other side has interceptor its never enough to stop them all from coming in.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
I'm sorry to go off topic, but I find it a bit insulting that people are trying to give you advice and you just keep making inane comments about what they would have considered cheese in 5th or how they aren't playing enough Eldar.

You've been given decent advice, and ignored questions to help people give you better advice. Do you want help or a shoulder to cry on?

This might shed some light on the OP for you.

Yeah, thats not an encouraging thread. So it seems like the OP may just be a troll. That thread argues the exact opposite of this one.

In any case, OP, the advice you have received here is solid. It doesnt sound like a particularly 'Cheesy' Eldar list. It would be best to take a look at the list you are using and the tactics you employ and see if there is anything you can change to improve your chances.

Also, asking specifically for way to 'grief' another player doesnt portray you in a very good light. Maybe next time try 'Tactics to combat eldar' and with less 'I want to ruin someone else game'?

Consider yourself lucky that the Eldar are a dying race, and a pretty unpopular army. Otherwise you'd get stomped more. Silly mon-keigh.

 HerbaciousT wrote:

Yeah, thats not an encouraging thread. So it seems like the OP may just be a troll. That thread argues the exact opposite of this one.

In any case, OP, the advice you have received here is solid. It doesnt sound like a particularly 'Cheesy' Eldar list. It would be best to take a look at the list you are using and the tactics you employ and see if there is anything you can change to improve your chances.

Also, asking specifically for way to 'grief' another player doesnt portray you in a very good light. Maybe next time try 'Tactics to combat eldar' and with less 'I want to ruin someone else game'?

I imagine that the OP was upset that people didn't agree with his initial posts and made that other thread in hopes that people would post things that he could point to and go "AH HA!"

It's either that or he realized how wrong he was and pulled a 180 for some kind of karma balance.

modelcadet wrote:
Consider yourself lucky that the Eldar are a dying race, and a pretty unpopular army. Otherwise you'd get stomped more. Silly mon-keigh.

This.

As long as the OP doesn't come out with army lists and tactics used we cannot really help out.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
I'm sorry to go off topic, but I find it a bit insulting that people are trying to give you advice and you just keep making inane comments about what they would have considered cheese in 5th or how they aren't playing enough Eldar.

You've been given decent advice, and ignored questions to help people give you better advice. Do you want help or a shoulder to cry on?

This might shed some light on the OP for you.

Ahh that's not a good sign.

Pyeatt, the problem you're facing is very similar to one I was having against an eldar player with tau allies. He had a nasty gunline army list with reapers, missile broadsides, d cannon platforms, a riptide and farseers casting guide and perfect timing all over the place. Now my dark angels are good at shooting but they don't come close to the combined taudar fire. After analyzing the list, I realized that his troops were very weak. All he had were some guardians, fire warriors and pathfinders. He couldn't afford any more because he spent too many points on heavy support. 6th edition is the shooting edition, but it is also the objective edition. The way I was able to deal with him was to focus on his troops while having an ample troops of my own.
Your opponent only has minimum strength guardian squads. Use whirlwinds to take them out. If they're in the wave serpents, fire all your anti vehicle into them so the whirlwinds can destroy the squads within. Once his troops are gone, all you need is one grey hunter on an objective to win the game.
Don't focus on killing everything there's only one mission that cares about that. Focus on the objectives and you'll find a lot of these "cheesy" armies aren't as scary as you might think.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
t's either that or he realized how wrong he was and pulled a 180 for some kind of karma balance.

Probably not, as this tread was started before the other one.