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I do agree though with the 72 hours you have to get where ever the Hell your going. That's when its going to sink in the law and order of things is not going to be enforced and the danger of running the risk of traveling past that time frame

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
We have huge amounts of MRe crates, but..I think I will go full cannibal before having to eat that stuff again...besides as long as we have Grimskul and his copious supplies of tolietpaper, we will be fine from the explosive diarrhea you get from too much human stew.....

Indeed mein excretion-minded comrade! I will ensure the supply lines of toilet-paper are maintained and are made with the utmost quality. Heck if I can reclaim certain manufacturing areas I could become a "Roll Runner" (reference to Gun Runners in Fallout) and establish it as a new form of currency! One square equals two apples and entire roll is worth a full gallon of fuel!

I swear by the finely maintained rectums of my forefathers that I will save the wasteland from its digestive throes; one pair of buttocks at a time!

 loki old fart wrote:
Lease land for free electricity

Landowners in England, Scotland and Wales can obtain free electricity by leasing land for the installation of a R9000 small wind turbine.

Under this finance package, a R9000 wind turbine is installed free of charge in exchange for a lease. In return the landowner can use as much of the generated electricity as required, free of charge, and the investor receives the income generated from the Feed-in Tariffs.

To benefit from this free electricity the proposed location for a turbine needs to be suitable, that is, open and with an average annual wind speed of greater than 6 m/s.

Once a site is accepted the process is hassle free for the landowner as a site survey, planning applications and installation are all managed by the investor - who retain ownership of the equipment so cover costs of maintenance and insurance.

We have something similar in the US. The main difference is that there is no lease. You obtain a legal means of generating electricity and what you don't use goes to the grid and you get paid for it at the same rate you'd be charged if you were using it from the grid.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
The best way to prepare and survive any type of catastrophe is to have copious amounts of quilted toilet paper and bags upon bags of prunes. Prunes give you the digestive fibre needed to survive the diarrhea infested brown spots of the wasteland while the toilet paper not only acts as a way of marking territory with your plentiful poop but also as a useful tool for strangling when wet as well as fashionable arm and headwear in a pinch. After all just because society has gone to hell doesn't mean one can't maintain civility and a measure of class.

Got it!

If we follow the trail of purple poop, we'll find a constipated Canuck wandering the wastelands dressed like a fuzzy mummy in search of maple syrup....
Either that or a Ripper Swarm.....

Constipated? Far from it! The prunes will keep me strong like well-oiled power armour with my bottom fresh and lively thanks to clean wipings and thorough...bowel movements. Also the toilet paper will be pivotal in soaking in maple syrup as a new energy source as civilization falls into disrepair and new forms of power are needed. I can imagine it now, with my toilet factories running on wonderful bounties of maple syrup.

Join us brother, for the Roll Runners beckon!

Hopefully I can put on my best Tyrion Lannister smooth talk and get a friend who can kick some ass to get out of trouble.

Well. I'm a firm believer of not starting crap. Though if someone starts crap with me then they're like two feet away from me ruining their day that is if a trade goes bad and he/she gets greedy.

Relapse wrote:
Prices go up and these people ended up having more food for their money.

Yeah, that works as a precaution against disaster. But you said it was also to protect against the loss of a job - in that case money in the bank is the same as food stored away (except that food stored away can only be eaten, money can be used to cover any expense that comes up during that year).


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 Hordini wrote:
In addition, having a store of food is useful in situations besides unemployment, like flooding, blizzards, hurricanes, long power outages, and other things that actually happen to people every year.

Talking about sensible precautions for things that actually happen takes all the fun out of an apocalypse thread.

I'll just roll around in nuclear radiation until I grow wings and armoured skin. Because that's how it works right? I'll be safe then!

 motyak wrote:
I'll just roll around in nuclear radiation until I grow wings and armoured skin. Because that's how it works right? I'll be safe then!

An extra set of arms could be useful too.

 cincydooley wrote:

 motyak wrote:
I'll just roll around in nuclear radiation until I grow wings and armoured skin. Because that's how it works right? I'll be safe then!

An extra set of arms could be useful too.

Well obviously my wings will have graspy hands at the tips, all the better to grab small rodents off the plains with. And if I really need more lift I can just flap the hands really hard.

Was that fap or flap you typed?

Relapse wrote:

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:

The odds are you would get popped in your raiding because most people that prepare for disaster store weapons, also. Alternatively, you could easily run afoul of other raiders wanting your weapons during your travels.

Indeed, a risk we would all have to take at some point I'd say.

People that are able to castle up or band with others that have prepared have a far better chance than people who are forced to wander half starved and preying on each other.

You're saying this as if I've specifically stated I'd be the one half-starved and unprepared. Consider that if we are speaking about an extended doomsday scenario, no average person (you, myself, and pretty much 99% of the others in this thread) is going to have a setup for long-term survival - years, even decades of independence in a world of anarchy and collapse. At some point, we would all have to scavenge to survive.

Believe me, I'd be prepared and castled up with friends. We would have guns and supplies, like many others. Eventually though, we would face a shortage and have no choice but to find more. Just like you and everyone else in this thread - don't deny it to try and sound like some super-genius who has a floating fortress with greenhouses and moisture vaporators. *rolls eyes*

 Breotan wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
Lease land for free electricity

Landowners in England, Scotland and Wales can obtain free electricity by leasing land for the installation of a R9000 small wind turbine.

Under this finance package, a R9000 wind turbine is installed free of charge in exchange for a lease. In return the landowner can use as much of the generated electricity as required, free of charge, and the investor receives the income generated from the Feed-in Tariffs.

To benefit from this free electricity the proposed location for a turbine needs to be suitable, that is, open and with an average annual wind speed of greater than 6 m/s.

Once a site is accepted the process is hassle free for the landowner as a site survey, planning applications and installation are all managed by the investor - who retain ownership of the equipment so cover costs of maintenance and insurance.

We have something similar in the US. The main difference is that there is no lease. You obtain a legal means of generating electricity and what you don't use goes to the grid and you get paid for it at the same rate you'd be charged if you were using it from the grid.

They do the planning applications, build the tower and install the windmill.
They do any maintenance, insure against damage.
They get the feed in tariff.

You get free electricity.

If the government stops paying the tariff or an economic melt down happens, they lose. as long as the wind blows you've got free electricity.

Yeaah... not going to waste time preparing for something that.. I don't even know what I would prepare for.

Here's one it action.


This will keep the water pumping, and the freezers running.

Grimskul, your plan intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter...

Why I kill people today. There'll be less post-apocalyptic crazees to deal with tomorrow.

As for my preparations?

Well I just plan to die along with the rest of the unprepared masses...

I think the main issue with the whole 'survival' thing is everyone attaches this cinematic notion to it, like 'aw man the end of the world would be just like fallout, I'll go round killing zombies with my home-made flaming sword that I built out of a lawnmover and a motorcycle in order to scavenge canned food in retro-style packaging!'. While the reality would be that everything, and possibly everyone, you know is going to be obliterated in front of you, or is going to slowly crumble in front of your very eyes.

Death, or ekeing out a miserable pitiful existence amidst the ruins of our former society, having to defend myself from not only the disaster that wrought our downfall, but also from other increasingly desperate and feral survivors. To be honest the former is sounding the better deal...

I'm not concerned. The wiener legions will raid the Randalls warehouses for munchies and retire to the Missions near San Antonio to wait for the fun to begin. Then once the zombies appear, the Zombie Games can start, and its Clobbering Time!

 sebster wrote:

Relapse wrote:
Prices go up and these people ended up having more food for their money.

Yeah, that works as a precaution against disaster. But you said it was also to protect against the loss of a job - in that case money in the bank is the same as food stored away (except that food stored away can only be eaten, money can be used to cover any expense that comes up during that year).


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 Hordini wrote:
In addition, having a store of food is useful in situations besides unemployment, like flooding, blizzards, hurricanes, long power outages, and other things that actually happen to people every year.

Talking about sensible precautions for things that actually happen takes all the fun out of an apocalypse thread.

People always have to eat, whether they work or not. For the people I know that have gone through job loss, this was better than money in the bank, although they did have savings also. The theme that kept coming back with them was that they were glad they had food storage or it would have been hard to have fed their families.

loki old fart wrote:Here's one it action.


This will keep the water pumping, and the freezers running.

Dark Apostle 666 wrote:Grimskul, your plan intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter...

I got that newsletter and this is what Loki sold me....




My disaster plan is simple. Find out where Loki lives. Take Lokis stuff, but not one of those damn exploding windmills he has. They're too explody for me.

http://www.patriotresistance.com/Ragnars_Urban_Survival_by_Ragnar_Benson.pdf

My perspective is that the survivalists of the '80s kinda split into two camps -- the "militia" types, and the "preppers."

I've watched a few of those preppers shows. They seem to follow the same pattern. The family in question starts off seeming rational enough...just being prudent...preparing just in case, etc. Then they talk about what they're prepping for and suddenly it's like THERE'S THE CRAZY!

If most of their scenarios came to pass, I'm not sure how much some canned goods and a bunker would really net them. I'd rather save thousands of dollars now and live a happier, less fearful life than trade it in for maybe an extra week or two of life in an world-ending scenario.

Well,

In the Before Time, when it rained in Texas, having a month’s worth of dry good food and other hurricane supplies was just prudence. I can see having about three months of supplies for a temporary natural disaster or Spanish Flu situation, but not much more.

Mind you Frazzled believes that the best defense is a good offense and intends to set up his own mini empire comprising all of Central Texas (to be renamed Dachshundreich) as soon as the sirens start, so your mileage may vary…

As soon as the sirens start those damn effeminate dogs are gonna eat your wrinkly arse (and maybe the rest of you?).

The badgers however will remain loyal with smorgasbord of stray cats/cat owners available to them knowing full well if the end is near we just have to sit it out for a few hours while King Arthur/Zombie Churchill get gak done. Then its Cricket and Crumpets for tea, HUZZAH!

I'm afraid lists have already been drawn up. Badgers will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

 gorgon wrote:
My perspective is that the survivalists of the '80s kinda split into two camps -- the "militia" types, and the "preppers."

I've watched a few of those preppers shows. They seem to follow the same pattern. The family in question starts off seeming rational enough...just being prudent...preparing just in case, etc. Then they talk about what they're prepping for and suddenly it's like THERE'S THE CRAZY!

If most of their scenarios came to pass, I'm not sure how much some canned goods and a bunker would really net them. I'd rather save thousands of dollars now and live a happier, less fearful life than trade it in for maybe an extra week or two of life in an world-ending scenario.

I tend to agree with the first part of your post. Whats the point of leaving a nice warm central heated house, for a cabin in the woods, with a wood stove, no tv and what food you could carry. That's why the wind mill is so important. power tools, water pump, tv, lights ETC.
Things we take for granted. Food how much can you realistically carry. Water how much have you got and can you find more?.
What happens when it runs out. Scavenging viable maybe, but worth the risk? Looters get shot.

 gorgon wrote:

If most of their scenarios came to pass, I'm not sure how much some canned goods and a bunker would really net them. I'd rather save thousands of dollars now and live a happier, less fearful life than trade it in for maybe an extra week or two of life in an world-ending scenario.

Diddly-squat in the long term...

Mainly as about 90% of them are thinking only in terms of their immediate family,assuming they survive the first couple of months in thier cargo container bunker out in the backwoods, living off tinned peaches, then are able to create a self-sustaining existence by subsistence farming/hunting & gathering, your average doomsday-prepped family of four will be dead in about 70 years, unless they don't mind the family tree being a little bit bonsai

Surviving an apocalypse with the intent of preserving the species is all well and good, but if you're the only specimen for miles around, well good luck with that...

I think preparing for a few days without food, water, heat, and electricity is wise. As has been noted, a lot can disrupt the logistics of a modern urban area. A few gallons of water, some canned/dried food, and a plan can help.

As for the utter collapse of civilization? My plan, without irony, is to die quickly. I'm literally a bureacrat, with no real skills. I'm out of shape, obese, and I have allergies and flat feet. There's no way I make it outside of civilization.

Good for you Polonius, I hope you find the rapid death you are looking for.

............Wait that's not nice?