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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
If I was a parent and someone handed me a picture of my kid doing Meth...

I'd be calling the cops on them before I killed the kid myself

Yeah I wouldn't be bothering with the cops. I dunno if I'd kill him or just issue the Scar edict.

Just bear in mind that, if you were born after 1980 or so, this is exactly how you're going to raise your kids, too.

 Seaward wrote:
Just bear in mind that, if you were born after 1980 or so, this is exactly how you're going to raise your kids, too.

Speak for yourself.

Every generation is the one that will kill society...

Overall I'm not as disappointed this time around as I was expecting to be. So far we haven't gone back to using shoes as metaphors for our penises, thus making every male look like a clown.

 djones520 wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
Just bear in mind that, if you were born after 1980 or so, this is exactly how you're going to raise your kids, too.

Speak for yourself.

Yeah, thanks for that insult, Seaward. I was raised properly and intend to raise my kids the same way. And I was born in 1985. If I got bad grades, my dad grounded me, not my teacher. If I made a bad choice in life, I was grounded. Of course, my dad would also ask what I'd do differently the next time, accept my answer, and life would go on. I'd still be grounded, but my punishment might be lessened if I learned the proper lesson. Or does your "or so" comment mean up to 5 years after 1980? If so, that's quite a bit of leeway you're giving yourself.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Yeah, thanks for that insult, Seaward. I was raised properly and intend to raise my kids the same way. And I was born in 1985. If I got bad grades, my dad grounded me, not my teacher. If I made a bad choice in life, I was grounded. Of course, my dad would also ask what I'd do differently the next time, accept my answer, and life would go on. I'd still be grounded, but my punishment might be lessened if I learned the proper lesson. Or does your "or so" comment mean up to 5 years after 1980? If so, that's quite a bit of leeway you're giving yourself.

You're welcome to prove me wrong, of course. It doesn't exclusively have to do with how you personally were raised, either.

 djones520 wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
Just bear in mind that, if you were born after 1980 or so, this is exactly how you're going to raise your kids, too.

Speak for yourself.

Im with Djones here... As a parent of 2 youngins, I do the best with what I got, but know that once they reach school age, things will be exactly how my parents raised me.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Im with Djones here... As a parent of 2 youngins, I do the best with what I got, but know that once they reach school age, things will be exactly how my parents raised me.

Have you considered that you'll be putting your kids at a disadvantage compared to other comparable children?

 Seaward wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Im with Djones here... As a parent of 2 youngins, I do the best with what I got, but know that once they reach school age, things will be exactly how my parents raised me.

Have you considered that you'll be putting your kids at a disadvantage compared to other comparable children?

How is instilling discipline a disadvantage? How is teaching them a version of right and wrong a disadvantage? How is actually diving a crap about my kids' education going to put them at a disadvantage?

 Seaward wrote:
Just bear in mind that, if you were born after 1980 or so, this is exactly how you're going to raise your kids, too.

I know plenty of people that were born after 1980 that are not raising kids like that.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
How is instilling discipline a disadvantage? How is teaching them a version of right and wrong a disadvantage? How is actually diving a crap about my kids' education going to put them at a disadvantage?

Say you've got two equally capable (or troublesome, if you like) children. Child A's parents are doing that instilling discipline thing. Child B's parents are doing the modern parenting, get-my-kid-ahead-at-all-costs thing. You do the math on which one's going to end up with more advantages.

The first one the second will be in jail for being a sociopath

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
The first one the second will be in jail for being a sociopath

this one... Because:

The one with discipline will not be breaking and entering another persons home, in order to have a party
the one with discipline will study at least occasionally, and do well in school
The one with discipline will have good friendships with people that are not based solely on "what can they do for me"
The teachers of the one with discipline will not be verbally attacked by their parents for not getting successful grades, the "modern" parent will.



To me, you can be a "get your kid ahead" parent, without being a modern parent. Unconditional love, discipline, and active participation will make your kid so much better than the alternative. Do I personally care if one of my kids is "only" a plumber or electrician with no actual college degree? NO, I care more that they do what they want to, are successful at it, and are a productive, contributing member of society. Would I like for them to go to college? Sure, but its ultimately up to them. My job is to instill in them the values that if they are going to do something, they are not going to halfass it, that they are going to put forth real effort,etc. They may decide to follow in my footsteps and go into the military, and there's nothing wrong with that.

None of those sorts of things are really all that possible with the "modern parent" as seen by the article in the OP.

 Seaward wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
How is instilling discipline a disadvantage? How is teaching them a version of right and wrong a disadvantage? How is actually diving a crap about my kids' education going to put them at a disadvantage?

Say you've got two equally capable (or troublesome, if you like) children. Child A's parents are doing that instilling discipline thing. Child B's parents are doing the modern parenting, get-my-kid-ahead-at-all-costs thing. You do the math on which one's going to end up with more advantages.

In all fairness, I had kids with parents like that in my school, and most of them amounted to less than gak when put out on their own. Suddenly, everything wasn't being given to them on a silver platter, excuses or coverups for bad behavior included. They grew up thinking it was all going to be alright, no matter what they did, and then reality came as a cold slap in the face.

Relapse wrote:
In all fairness, I had kids with parents like that in my school, and most of them amounted to less than gak when put out on their own. Suddenly, everything wasn't being given to them on a silver platter, excuses or coverups for bad behavior included. They grew up thinking it was all going to be alright, no matter what they did, and then reality came as a cold slap in the face.

I'm not saying they'll necessarily amount to anything, simply that, in the example I gave, they're likely to wind up having more advantages during their school years.

Seaward, your example MIGHT get them a little bit further in high school, which amounts to Jack gak. Get them into the real world, and they're toast. They won't get ahead at all, they'll be screwed.

They'll be on the Internet blaming the economy for why they got fired from Starbucks.

I hate my Generation...

 Seaward wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Yeah, thanks for that insult, Seaward. I was raised properly and intend to raise my kids the same way. And I was born in 1985. If I got bad grades, my dad grounded me, not my teacher. If I made a bad choice in life, I was grounded. Of course, my dad would also ask what I'd do differently the next time, accept my answer, and life would go on. I'd still be grounded, but my punishment might be lessened if I learned the proper lesson. Or does your "or so" comment mean up to 5 years after 1980? If so, that's quite a bit of leeway you're giving yourself.

You're welcome to prove me wrong, of course. It doesn't exclusively have to do with how you personally were raised, either.

Seriously dude? What bug crawled up your ass so hard your going to criticize how we parent our children when you know absolutely nothing about us or how we raise our children? I don't need to prove a damn thing to you, but you certainly just took a few hits in the "why I should give you any respect" category.

 d-usa wrote:
Every generation is the one that will kill society...

Oddly, I think we can lay the blame for this one on the baby-boomers.

Much respect for that one kid who did come forward, anyway. Plenty of people mess up and do stupid things, not enough will square up and accept responsibility for it.

 Ouze wrote:
Much respect for that one kid who did come forward, anyway. Plenty of people mess up and do stupid things, not enough will square up and accept responsibility for it.

This

If only that kid could peer pressure people into doing the right things.

 Monster Rain wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Every generation is the one that will kill society...

Oddly, I think we can lay the blame for this one on the baby-boomers.

Damn Dr. Spock and his child raising advice!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Spock

I can't wait for my 3 week old to spit up on somebody so that I can sue them!

 d-usa wrote:
I can't wait for my 3 week old to spit up on somebody so that I can sue them!

I'll see your spitup and raise you gushing diarreha. Aside from that, belated congratulations on the new addition.

 d-usa wrote:
I can't wait for my 3 week old to spit up on somebody so that I can sue them!

How dare they infringe on your parental barfing privileges!

 Grey Templar wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I can't wait for my 3 week old to spit up on somebody so that I can sue them!

How dare they infringe on your parental barfing privileges!

Their complaining robbed my daughter of a wonderful and natural experience!

She will never be the same!

I can't imagine what my dad would have done to me if I had even been remotely involved with something like this. It would have been ugly, I might be dead and he might be in jail, IDK. Maybe that's why I never did?

Spartak wrote:
I can't imagine what my dad would have done to me if I had even been remotely involved with something like this. It would have been ugly, I might be dead and he might be in jail, IDK. Maybe that's why I never did?

I don't think I'd be dead, personally, but my ass would have been beaten so hard I wouldn't be able to sit down for a month. I'd also have had every book I owned thrown out, all my action figures burned when I was a kid, and my warhammer stuff (starting when I was 16) would have been chucked as well. I'd be removed from school sports, and never see my friends. My dad would still send me to Tae Kwan Do though, as the instructor would use me as his own personal punching ba-I mean, uh, sparring partner. Yeah, I wasn't stupid enough to think I could get away with something like that.

Oh, and that would all be deserved too. Kinda want a picture from Batman: UtRH with Joker saying "You kids today..."