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 Ouze wrote:
Much respect for that one kid who did come forward, anyway. Plenty of people mess up and do stupid things, not enough will square up and accept responsibility for it.

Agreed.

I would've fething frog marched my kids and made them clean/repair that gak up.

And Seaward... quit being that old guy

I am about... *does the math*... 99.7% (rounded) disappointed in humanity right now.

To weigh in on the sub-conversation that's going on here - I was born in '84. I know I wouldn't let any kids of mine get away with that crap - they would be punished in some form. Absolutely no way would I be trying to sue the homeowner, I'd be apologising profusely to him.

Then again - the thought of other parents and their vile, spoilt, self-entitled offspring to share school with is just one of many reasons why I don't actually want kids, and won't be having any any time soon, if ever...!!

 Seaward wrote:
Just bear in mind that, if you were born after 1980 or so, this is exactly how you're going to raise your kids, too.

And that is why I removed myself from the gene-pool. Now I don't have to lay awake at night hoping my kids aren't doing stupid stuff, and I can smuggly comment on internet forums about it.

I was born in '83, and I know that if I ever did anything this stupid & selfish, the cops would still be looking for my corpse... Okay, maybe not quite that far, but my dad would definitely have split my lip and left my arse so soundly spanked I'd be forced to stay standing for a year or so!
And as others have mentioned, every single toy I owned at the time would have been thrown into the garbage/given away to the SallyAnn and my hockey coach would have been informed that I'd no longer be playing for the rest of that year, and he could give my spot away to someone more deserving of it the following year. (and every subsequent year afterwards since I'd be quitting sports altogether due to being a fethhead who needed learn some damned respect!)

I've found that the average teens today simply have 0 respect - either for others or themselves. It's pretty sad when I'm out running an errand or three at the mall and I can literally see up some 15 year old girl's bikini line while her nipples are almost hanging out of her top...
Add to it a childhood of over entitlement where they can do no wrong and never having been taught that their actions have consequences.

IF my kids did that? Sell all their expensive phones/comps/ ipads and give it to him to help pay for the damages(It would be a token gesture.
They would also have all electricity cut off tfo their room for a yeah. And they would have those GPS chips they put in dogs installed on them

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
IF my kids did that? Sell all their expensive phones/comps/ ipads and give it to him to help pay for the damages(It would be a token gesture.
They would also have all electricity cut off tfo their room for a yeah. And they would have those GPS chips they put in dogs installed on them

Yep, that would be about right. I'm wonder how many of these parents realize they are ripe to get hit with a fat lawsuit themselves?

Relapse wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
IF my kids did that? Sell all their expensive phones/comps/ ipads and give it to him to help pay for the damages(It would be a token gesture.
They would also have all electricity cut off tfo their room for a yeah. And they would have those GPS chips they put in dogs installed on them

Yep, that would be about right. I'm wonder how many of these parents realize they are ripe to get hit with a fat lawsuit themselves?

I wonder if a sufficiently motivated DA could pull off a contributing to the delinquency of a minor case in this circumstance.

When I have kids. I have a great place to send them to. Summer School and Scouting.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
Just bear in mind that, if you were born after 1980 or so, this is exactly how you're going to raise your kids, too.

And that is why I removed myself from the gene-pool. Now I don't have to lay awake at night hoping my kids aren't doing stupid stuff, and I can smuggly comment on internet forums about it.

And then you can go back to counting the MASSIVE amount of money you've saved by not raising a tiny larva for 18 odd years, not to mention paying for that larva's college education.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
Just bear in mind that, if you were born after 1980 or so, this is exactly how you're going to raise your kids, too.

Speak for yourself.

Yeah, thanks for that insult, Seaward. I was raised properly and intend to raise my kids the same way. And I was born in 1985. If I got bad grades, my dad grounded me, not my teacher. If I made a bad choice in life, I was grounded. Of course, my dad would also ask what I'd do differently the next time, accept my answer, and life would go on. I'd still be grounded, but my punishment might be lessened if I learned the proper lesson. Or does your "or so" comment mean up to 5 years after 1980? If so, that's quite a bit of leeway you're giving yourself.

Yeah, I was born in 1993 and this happened to me as well.

 Asherian Command wrote:
When I have kids. I have a great place to send them to. Summer School and Scouting.

IME that stuff does little to actually stop it, you have to be pro active and squash any behavior like that. Besides Summer School is the worst IMO. All your friends are off doing things while you are stuck at school learning stuff you already learned. And because it is so short(Day wise) you really do not learn anything

 djones520 wrote:
Seriously dude? What bug crawled up your ass so hard your going to criticize how we parent our children when you know absolutely nothing about us or how we raise our children? I don't need to prove a damn thing to you, but you certainly just took a few hits in the "why I should give you any respect" category.

More power to you if you're a paladin of parenthood. I guarantee you the parents of these kids feel that way about themselves, too.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
Just bear in mind that, if you were born after 1980 or so, this is exactly how you're going to raise your kids, too.

And that is why I removed myself from the gene-pool. Now I don't have to lay awake at night hoping my kids aren't doing stupid stuff, and I can smuggly comment on internet forums about it.

And then you can go back to counting the MASSIVE amount of money you've saved by not raising a tiny larva for 18 odd years, not to mention paying for that larva's college education.

My wife and I spend it on us and our dogs instead

 Seaward wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Seriously dude? What bug crawled up your ass so hard your going to criticize how we parent our children when you know absolutely nothing about us or how we raise our children? I don't need to prove a damn thing to you, but you certainly just took a few hits in the "why I should give you any respect" category.

More power to you if you're a paladin of parenthood. I guarantee you the parents of these kids feel that way about themselves, too.

I swear, you're trying to win the "most hated person on Dakka" award today, aren't you? The fact that you don't know any (or at least 99%) of us in real life and actually think you know better how we'll raise our current/future children than we do is pretty pants on head. You must be trolling-nobody is that stupid. Most people here are talking about how we'd have been punished as kids, and how our kids would meet a similar reaction for screwing up like that. These parents are blaming everybody else. Just from the conversation you should be able to figure out the difference.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I swear, you're trying to win the "most hated person on Dakka" award today, aren't you? The fact that you don't know any (or at least 99%) of us in real life and actually think you know better how we'll raise our current/future children than we do is pretty pants on head. You must be trolling-nobody is that stupid. Most people here are talking about how we'd have been punished as kids, and how our kids would meet a similar reaction for screwing up like that. These parents are blaming everybody else. Just from the conversation you should be able to figure out the difference.

I simply think you talk a good game, but won't ultimately let your kid end up with a record if you can prevent it, or miss out on getting into a better school if you can prevent it. I'm curious as to why you're getting so angry, though. If I don't know what I'm talking about, why the furious rush to the defensive?

 timetowaste85 wrote:

I swear, you're trying to win the "most hated person on Dakka" award today, aren't you? The fact that you don't know any (or at least 99%) of us in real life and actually think you know better how we'll raise our current/future children than we do is pretty pants on head. You must be trolling-nobody is that stupid. Most people here are talking about how we'd have been punished as kids, and how our kids would meet a similar reaction for screwing up like that. These parents are blaming everybody else. Just from the conversation you should be able to figure out the difference.

To be fair, if I could get my hypothetical kids out of "official" trouble, I would via any way possible. Having a juvenile record CAN'T look good when applying for schools, jobs, etc. I mean, the internet never forgets, and it's a bad, bad place to cultivate negative PR. Privately? Oh, there would be hell to pay for years to come. Years.

The problem here is that the above conditional has already been failed. You CAN'T save them, because the kids have dug their own grave by bragging about their crimes, and by threatening a lawsuit, the parents are effectively broadcasting it to the world loudly from the rooftops. Proper parenting at this point mandates forcing your kids to go forward and pay their dues.

This is just reactionary brandishing of lawyers in the name of protecting their spoiled little rich white brats, and it's going to go to gak deliciously.

Also, you would be best to just ignore him and get on with life. He's the barometer of wrong by which we calibrate our instruments. If you disagree, you know you're doing something right.

 daedalus wrote:
Also, you would be best to just ignore him and get on with life. He's the barometer of wrong by which we calibrate our instruments. If you disagree, you know you're doing something right.

That's a relief!

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
Also, you would be best to just ignore him and get on with life. He's the barometer of wrong by which we calibrate our instruments. If you disagree, you know you're doing something right.

That's a relief!

Amen to that. I'm bowing out and ignoring him.

 Grundz wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
All he did was repost pictures that they themselves put up on the internet. It's not like posted contact information.

Dont get me wrong, these kids are idiots and should be taken to the cleaners, all I was stating was that there was a thin enough face that it might actually go to court, which is what the parents would be shooting for, so he would take the cheaper settlement option.

Again he should immediately sue them first for:
1. trashing his place.
2. attempted balckmail and harassment.

he has deep pockets. They don't.


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 d-usa wrote:
Every generation is the one that will kill society...

Some generations are better then others.


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 timetowaste85 wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
Just bear in mind that, if you were born after 1980 or so, this is exactly how you're going to raise your kids, too.

Speak for yourself.

Yeah, thanks for that insult, Seaward. I was raised properly and intend to raise my kids the same way. And I was born in 1985. If I got bad grades, my dad grounded me, not my teacher. If I made a bad choice in life, I was grounded. Of course, my dad would also ask what I'd do differently the next time, accept my answer, and life would go on. I'd still be grounded, but my punishment might be lessened if I learned the proper lesson. Or does your "or so" comment mean up to 5 years after 1980? If so, that's quite a bit of leeway you're giving yourself.

Wow I feel really old now.

We had a dinner party. One couple brought their 6 year old. It was like wow, what is this alien dwarf in my house? I ended up showing him what the moon looks like through a rifle scope and then giving it to him.
Corrupt 'em when they're young!


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 Seaward wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
How is instilling discipline a disadvantage? How is teaching them a version of right and wrong a disadvantage? How is actually diving a crap about my kids' education going to put them at a disadvantage?

Say you've got two equally capable (or troublesome, if you like) children. Child A's parents are doing that instilling discipline thing. Child B's parents are doing the modern parenting, get-my-kid-ahead-at-all-costs thing. You do the math on which one's going to end up with more advantages.

The one with discipline. Helicopter parents are only needed when their kids suck.


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 Jehan-reznor wrote:
The first one the second will be in jail for being a sociopath

or President.


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 d-usa wrote:
I can't wait for my 3 week old to spit up on somebody so that I can sue them!

Three weeks 'eh? I hope you threw sleep a party before it left town. It won't be back for a few years. But have faith, it leaves again when your kids become teenagers...


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 Asherian Command wrote:
When I have kids. I have a great place to send them to. Summer School and Scouting.

Coal mine. 18 tons a day before eight or its already too late!


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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
Just bear in mind that, if you were born after 1980 or so, this is exactly how you're going to raise your kids, too.

And that is why I removed myself from the gene-pool. Now I don't have to lay awake at night hoping my kids aren't doing stupid stuff, and I can smuggly comment on internet forums about it.

And then you can go back to counting the MASSIVE amount of money you've saved by not raising a tiny larva for 18 odd years, not to mention paying for that larva's college education.

My wife and I spend it on us and our dogs instead

DReadclaw's doggies all have the best bling on the block. They're all the rage at the local fire hydrant.

Frazz, was there a rifle attached to the rifle scope?

 Alfndrate wrote:
Frazz, was there a rifle attached to the rifle scope?

Not yet. His mom is a real anti gunner. Baby steps to the darkside...

 Frazzled wrote:

Wow I feel really old now.

We had a dinner party. One couple brought their 6 year old. It was like wow, what is this alien dwarf in my house? I ended up showing him what the moon looks like through a rifle scope and then giving it to him.
Corrupt 'em when they're young!

Frazzled, I wish I knew you


Back on topic:
This is a terrible thing. And quiet frankly I am sad to say that I find myself unsurprised by this behaviour-that's how far my faith in humanity has sunk.
If I ever have spawn then it will be brought up with honour and discipline, and taught right from wrong. And if it ever EVER did something like this then it would find its life reverted to a basic, dull Armish existence, for many years to come.

Frankly I am finding myself more and more disgusted with my own generation, and the ones that are emerging after. A few months ago our door was viciously kicked by some of the brats (9-13 years old) from the niehbouring street. As this was the 2nd time my mum set me on them, and I ran them down as they through themselves into one of their houses. The mother instantly emerged and started denying that they had ever been out of it, and it was only through pointing out that I had followed them and observed them enter that she admitted that they had been outside at all. They then denied all involvement, claiming it was some teenagers from another street. I eventually gave up trying to get some justice and went home (I was in my PJs)

 Frazzled wrote:
DReadclaw's doggies all have the best bling on the block. They're all the rage at the local fire hydrant.

We make sure that they have their Notre Dame jerseys on come gameday

I'd say find the kids and "speak harshly to them" with no witnesses, but that would be wrong.

As a counter. Through the kids and their stuff (especially band) the wife and I have known some great kids, now fully grown and off to college. We even had one kid I cussed out at church (long story, he was being lazy and I was busy) has matured dramatically.

I've seen teenagers rebuild houses, deliver food, and help TBone like senile citizens at a nursing home. We had a whole caravan go off to work in one of the towns in Mississippii hammered by a hurricane, and again by one hit by a tornado.


Have faith. Hope shall not pass utterly from the earth.

 Frazzled wrote:
I'd say find the kids and "speak harshly to them" with no witnesses, but that would be wrong.

Oh no Frazzled, that would involve to much risk of court action (this is the UK we are talking about here-we can break into some ones house and sue them for having slippery tiles)
I have my own plan. Currently I have taken to looking around my local airsoft suppliers, and checking out the costs of the high powered rifles.....
I would like to see one of those little feths try and run when pellets are smacking into their legs...... Or even better if they run onto the park then its time to break out the camo netting and declare a free season......

 Frazzled wrote:

Have faith. Hope shall not pass utterly from the earth.

Indeed. 90% of them will be crap, as with everything, but some kids have the ability to be almost human. Those will be our finest asset.


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 master of ordinance wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I'd say find the kids and "speak harshly to them" with no witnesses, but that would be wrong.

Oh no Frazzled, that would involve to much risk of court action (this is the UK we are talking about here-we can break into some ones house and sue them for having slippery tiles)
I have my own plan. Currently I have taken to looking around my local airsoft suppliers, and checking out the costs of the high powered rifles.....
I would like to see one of those little feths try and run when pellets are smacking into their legs...... Or even better if they run onto the park then its time to break out the camo netting and declare a free season......

From what I understand about the UK, which is not much, doesn't that get you slapped with an ASBO?

Like, even talking about it?

 daedalus wrote:


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 master of ordinance wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I'd say find the kids and "speak harshly to them" with no witnesses, but that would be wrong.

Oh no Frazzled, that would involve to much risk of court action (this is the UK we are talking about here-we can break into some ones house and sue them for having slippery tiles)
I have my own plan. Currently I have taken to looking around my local airsoft suppliers, and checking out the costs of the high powered rifles.....
I would like to see one of those little feths try and run when pellets are smacking into their legs...... Or even better if they run onto the park then its time to break out the camo netting and declare a free season......

From what I understand about the UK, which is not much, doesn't that get you slapped with an ASBO?

Like, even talking about it?

Indeed it does. But only if you get caught. And believe me I am that good.

 Frazzled wrote:

Have faith. Hope shall not pass utterly from the earth.

Best thing said in these forums in a while...

Have an exalt.

removed due to the fact I wrote it in a red cloud of anger.

Pro-tip; don't post anything like that online which may come back to bite you