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Dat model is nice

so what special characters would you recommend me getting? Im to assume the BSB would be made from ogre bits.

Would 3 special characters suffice?

Can the characters be mounted? i.e played on the Mournfang cavalry or the thundertusk?

That's the wrong term. Special character refers to named characters, like Greasus Gold tooth. I don't reccomend any of our special characters.

As for regular characters, you should have at least two butcher/slaughtermaster models and a BSB. A firebelly is also a good choice.

Only the Hunter is able to take a mount, he can ride a Stonehorn. But its too expensive for no real gain. If the Tyrant could ride one it might be a decent option. You have no idea how much we want a mournfang mount option too.

so stay away from:
Golgfag, Greasus and Skrag but
Bragg is a Must?
Greasus?
why is that? though i must say i think that model is really terrible! and seems pointless to even have on the board (even if he was a decent character)

Bragg has no real way of justifying his points, it is however a great model and if you convert his weapon to a banner, he makes a quality BSB

Greasus is just too slow IMO.
Very hard hitting and pretty useful, but mobility being removed from ogres hurts them alot.


Rough layout for characters:

Lord - Slaughtermaster: Hellheart is a must on him.

Hero's - Bruiser with banner and another caster.
LVL 2 butcher or fire belly are the only ways to go, and comes down to personal pref really.


Core - people usually run 2 units (1 ironguts, 1 bulls)
Both a decent size to fill the 25% points minimum for core.

Special - people usually run a pair of sabertusks as blockers and warmachine hunters.
Due to low LD its really not worth putting them in units though as they will run away too quickly and it makes them alot less mobile.

Rare - People always run an ironblaster since its one of the best warmachines in the game IMO.
Most people will take 2, but since you like the thundertusk, take that instead.
Its special rules are pretty decent, but i prefer stone horns for the extra combat damage and the ability to shrug off cannons.



Also, keep cannons and other machines in mind!
If you have a thundertusk walking about, cannons and bolt throwers will be aiming at them from turn 1.
Use sabertusks to hunt them down as quickly as possible as 2 cannon shots will kill a thundertusk. (3 on average for a stone horn)

Whatever you do, do NOT play Bragg as Bragg. His model is freaking sweet but his rules are horrible. I'd run Greasus before Bragg. And Greasus is way wayyyyy too expensive for only 3 str10 attacks with D3 wounds and his other nifty abilities. At 2/3 his current cost maybe.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Whatever you do, do NOT play Bragg as Bragg. His model is freaking sweet but his rules are horrible. I'd run Greasus before Bragg. And Greasus is way wayyyyy too expensive for only 3 str10 attacks with D3 wounds and his other nifty abilities. At 2/3 his current cost maybe.

Agreed. Great model. Just use him as a BSB or combat lord/hero. And yeah. Special characters are only used as a term to reference named characters. Which none of are any use.

I would disagree slightly. Scragg the Slaughterer can be decent, if you build a list around him and know what you are doing. Not for the inexperienced of course.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I would disagree slightly. Scragg the Slaughterer can be decent, if you build a list around him and know what you are doing. Not for the inexperienced of course.

True I stand corrected. Forgot about him. Only used him rarely aages ago. I can see having a list tailored around him could work.

Books arrived! woop lol shall no doubt have questions for you.

but for a heads start, what would be the best banners to buy which improve the units?

I often run my Ironguts with the Standard of Discipline and have them be bodyguards for my General.

That puts the Slaughtermaster up to Ld9, which is helpful for an army that has relatively low Ld.

Mournfangs like to carry the Dragonhide Banner because it synergizes well with them.


Aside that, Ogres don't really do much with magic banners. Largely because we are limited in how many banners we can have(one unit of both Mournfangs, Ironguts, and Maneaters can carry one. Plus the BSB, so we only have 4 slots at most)

Thanks Grey!

Looking at the mournfang as im hoping to have 2 units of 2 and with their BS being low, is there any point running them with the Pistols? Seems pretty pricey for.

Sabertusks, i dont really fancy forking out the money for 2 Sabres at the cost of £10! so I was thinking of just painting up 2 chaos hounds giving them a Winter Wolf theme instead.

I never run them with pistols, usually just a unit of 4 with great weapons and the dragonhide banner.

hey, ive looked at the army book and ive started to write a list. I know it belongs in the other forum section, but its not a complete list and Id like people to suggest what i should spend the rest of my points on.7This is the first time ive ever written an army list so i hope ive done it correctly:

Out of 2500 points i have spent 2036 (i have included no magic weapons/banners/gifts etc... just a basic list.

Ogres x 6
Crusher
music
s.b
iron fists
222

ogres x 5
crusher
music
s.b
iron fists
190
(adding my bruiser in the unit)

iron guts x 5
champ
music
s.b
288
(adding my slaughter master here)

Mournfang x 3
champ
music
s.b
iron fists
heavy armour
480

Mournfang x 3
champ
music
s.b
iron fists
heavy armour
480

lead belchers x 4
173

stornhorn
250

bruiser
iron fist
heavy armour
BSB
145

slaughtermaster
ironfist
lvl 4
288

hopefully that adds to 2036 points

any advice how to spend the remaining 464 points

thanks for reading and helping!!

At 2500, units of 6 are simply too small. 9 would be my minimum(not including characters)

At 2500 you're going to be facing large blocks of enemy models, and they'll be attacking you first. Which means you need to plan for casualties before you swing.


Combine the units of Bulls into a unit of 11.

Make the Irongut unit bigger as well.

so one big unit of ogres of 11?

how would you run them formation wise?

so if i had them 4/4 (including special character)

would their ogre charge special rule hit with +2 STR? as i have 2 additional ranks

Probably 4 wide. As you would be putting a character in with them you'd have at least 12 models.

You add your rank bonus, which is each rank after the first one. To a maximum of +3.

So a 4x3 unit would have +2, and a 4x4 would be +3.

lol sorry i have no idea why i put 4/4 complete type error there!

Grey knows his ogres. Won't steer you wrong. The bigger the battle the bigger the block you'll want for most units of core. When they get a good charge in it can be devastating.

how good are man eaters? theyre only 7points more hen iron guts and you get
+1 WS,S,I and A

they worth using?

At 2k+ Bulls run best in 12 model formations, 4 wide 3 deap, how you get there is up to you, that is a personal preference, this Star can generally take enough wounds to still be able to hit back at full strength. Anything more takes points away from other things, and anything less does not do the job. 6 model units can be good at flank chargers, I have had good success in running 6 ironguts next to 12 bulls, The bulls attack in the front, wile the ironguts counter charge the flank. It takes some work as most people will learn not to let this happen. But you really do need at least one big block of something.

Maneaters are great, A common build is to take 6-8 models give half of them dual pistals and half Great Weapons. They pick off a few with their guns, then get a ton of normal attacks, and follow up with GW hits when needed. plus the fact that they can take special rules to complete a function that your normal guys can not. I have seen them wipe out an entire army. My personal preference when it comes to Special is Mournfang or maneaters, depending on the rest of my build then Leadbelchers and everything else,

so those guys can be armed individually?

Yes, the only unit in the game allowed to mix armaments due to the Motley Crew rule.

I've run a unit of 12 before. 4 with brace of pistols, 4 with great weapons, and 4 naked. All with heavy armor.

The unit basically killed an entire daemon army on its own. My main force never made it to combat.


The nice thing about maneaters is that casualties still come from the back. So you can leave those maneaters with no upgrades and kill them off first. Keeping the upgraded dudes to the last.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yes, the only unit in the game allowed to mix armaments due to the Motley Crew rule.

I've run a unit of 12 before. 4 with brace of pistols, 4 with great weapons, and 4 naked. All with heavy armor.

The unit basically killed an entire daemon army on its own. My main force never made it to combat.


The nice thing about maneaters is that casualties still come from the back. So you can leave those maneaters with no upgrades and kill them off first. Keeping the upgraded dudes to the last.

That is just mean, It is almost unfair to run 12 Maneaters.

This entire thread is making me want to try Ogres. Stahp.

cawizkid wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yes, the only unit in the game allowed to mix armaments due to the Motley Crew rule.

I've run a unit of 12 before. 4 with brace of pistols, 4 with great weapons, and 4 naked. All with heavy armor.

The unit basically killed an entire daemon army on its own. My main force never made it to combat.


The nice thing about maneaters is that casualties still come from the back. So you can leave those maneaters with no upgrades and kill them off first. Keeping the upgraded dudes to the last.

That is just mean, It is almost unfair to run 12 Maneaters.

To be fair that is a significant points investment that if is lost to shooting or spells leaves a hole in the army. Nice tactic though indeed!

I agree! i will certainly try that idea in my list! I will certainly get those guys!
Though i'm wondering is it possible to convert them from standard ogres or iron guts? as paying £15 each for a unit based model is insane

St1mp0 wrote:
I agree! i will certainly try that idea in my list! I will certainly get those guys!
Though i'm wondering is it possible to convert them from standard ogres or iron guts? as paying £15 each for a unit based model is insane

Definitely doable. Maneaters are the perfect unit for heavy conversions.

Just ordered my Battalion! and buying 2 packs of Mornfang Cavalry on tuesday )

St1mp0 wrote:
I agree! i will certainly try that idea in my list! I will certainly get those guys!
Though i'm wondering is it possible to convert them from standard ogres or iron guts? as paying £15 each for a unit based model is insane

I very much doubt anybody has a unit that is entirely made out of official models(some of whom don't have legal armaments)