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 cincydooley wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Everything I know about any other culture, I learned from movies!

Spoiler:

Can't say I've ever seen it. Good?

You call that a movie? This* is a movie.

*On my phone and too lazy to find a link, so no alternate movie provided. Go with Gettin' Square.

I see this as a dead man walking in paintballs. Will only work one time then i will promise a few lates hits the rest of the game

Quite amusing, but definitely unsporting. Reminds me of the underarm bowling incident in Cricket, where an Australian bowled underarm for the last bowl of a test match, to ensure the opposing team couldn't score the last runs needed for victory - legal but not in the spirit of the game, and not be encouraged.

 motyak wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Everything I know about any other culture, I learned from movies!

Spoiler:

Can't say I've ever seen it. Good?

You call that a movie? This* is a movie.

*On my phone and too lazy to find a link, so no alternate movie provided. Go with Gettin' Square.

Goddamn love that movie, especially David Wenham in the courtroom scene: http://youtu.be/Wb-sJnA0y0w?t=5m59s (Warning, bad language).

 Maddermax wrote:
- legal but not in the spirit of the game, and not be encouraged.

Except that, as I pointed out, it's not legal at that level of football.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Maddermax wrote:
- legal but not in the spirit of the game, and not be encouraged.

Except that, as I pointed out, it's not legal at that level of football.

Missed your post there (to be honest, I only posted because of the Gettin' Square reference), but now that I've seen it all I can say is: Good.

That play does not always work...

I played football as a teenager, and I think any coach that tells his QB to try that should be fired. Part of the tradition of football is to build character, and you don't build character by teaching your kids to take shortcuts and use cheap tricks. Unsportsmanlike... and the refs should have blown the whistle and thrown a flag as soon as that QB crossed the line of scrimmage.

No place for that kind of thing in amateur athletics.

If they want to do that in pro league, let them try it. No way a pro would get suckered by something like that, and I doubt a pro coach would even try it.

GG

 cincydooley wrote:
Never said that. Just said few of my responses would be serious. Like this one.

But of course the movie leathernecks should totally be taken as gospel in regards to American football.

You think my post, in which I said I'd seen half of a George Clooney movie on a plane and a couple of games of American football, and then said 'So perhaps there is still a different culture to American Football than to other ball sports'... and concluded that I was coming at the issue through some claim of authority? For fething real?


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 d-usa wrote:
Everything I know about any other culture, I learned from movies!

Spoiler:

Funnily enough, the stereotyping of New York is probably worse in that movie than the stereotyping of Australia.


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 cincydooley wrote:
Can't say I've ever seen it. Good?

It's a product of its time. Paul Hogan is a likeable lead, but the whole thing would feel pretty hoky to a modern audience, I'd think.


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 Maddermax wrote:
Quite amusing, but definitely unsporting. Reminds me of the underarm bowling incident in Cricket, where an Australian bowled underarm for the last bowl of a test match, to ensure the opposing team couldn't score the last runs needed for victory - legal but not in the spirit of the game, and not be encouraged.

Underarm was actually not legal in every other major cricketing nation. This was an era when there was no overall governing body, and so each country wrote their own rules. On the whole this caused few problems as everyone pretty much just followed the lead of the English, but in a couple of places some countries had omited minor sub-rules, and for some reason or another the rule requiring the bowling to be 90' to the shoulder or higher had never been put in place.

Bodyline is another example. For any non-cricketer reading this it was a ploy used by the English to bowl every ball short, aiming for the batsman's head, and at the same time stacking the legside of the field with most of the fielders. In baseball it'd be like putting all the fielders on the left side of the pitch and then pitching at or very near the batter's head every pitch. And remember this was from a time when there were no helmets. And thing is, there was no rule against this, and it had been proposed before, but the English were the first ones to actually do it. It damn near caused the collapse of cricketing tours between the two countries, and you can still find people who are mad about it today.

 generalgrog wrote:
I played football as a teenager, and I think any coach that tells his QB to try that should be fired. Part of the tradition of football is to build character, and you don't build character by teaching your kids to take shortcuts and use cheap tricks. Unsportsmanlike... and the refs should have blown the whistle and thrown a flag as soon as that QB crossed the line of scrimmage.

No place for that kind of thing amateur athletics.

If they want to do that in pro league, let them try it. No way a pro would get suckered by something like that, and I doubt a pro coach would even try it.

GG

Are you talking about the same football e are seeing here? Because in my neck of the woods football players are donkey-caves who not only cheat in game, but cheat in the classroom aswell And the coaches encourage it.

Hell at my school being on the soccer team was enough to get a free pass on a lot of gak (up to an including assault and battery).

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
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Are you talking about the same football e are seeing here? Because in my neck of the woods football players are donkey-caves who not only cheat in game, but cheat in the classroom aswell And the coaches encourage it.

Nice generalization, boss. Because there can't be any intelligent, nice, honest football players.

There are plenty of former and present football players far smarter and generous than you.


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 sebster wrote:


You think my post, in which I said I'd seen half of a George Clooney movie on a plane and a couple of games of American football, and then said 'So perhaps there is still a different culture to American Football than to other ball sports'... and concluded that I was coming at the issue through some claim of authority? For fething real?

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Surely not! I was just so taken aback and confused that you didn't know everything about American Football that I didn't know how to respond! I guess I was looking for confirmation that I was privy to this, the rarest of happenstances.

 cincydooley wrote:
Surely not! I was just so taken aback and confused that you didn't know everything about American Football that I didn't know how to respond! I guess I was looking for confirmation that I was privy to this, the rarest of happenstances.

Wow, you have gotten really all bothered that I know more about some things than you do. Get over it, it happens to all of us.

 sebster wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Everything I know about any other culture, I learned from movies!

Spoiler:

Funnily enough, the stereotyping of New York is probably worse in that movie than the stereotyping of Australia.

So you guys don't play Knifey Spooney at the pub whilst drinking Fosters standing around the barbie with shrimp on it? I'm shocked! Here's hoping your name is Bruce...

 Evil_Toast wrote:
So you guys don't play Knifey Spooney at the pub whilst drinking Fosters standing around the barbie with shrimp on it? I'm shocked! Here's hoping your name is Bruce...

We can't play knifey spoony any more because after they took our guns they came for our knives. And then our spoons.

@Cincy. Disagree with someone, insult them without knowing them. And yes officers there are honest ones. But in my area they are few. And many studies show that athletes tend to be those most academic dishonest

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
@Cincy. Disagree with someone, insult them without knowing them. And yes officers there are honest ones. But in my area they are few. And many studies show that athletes tend to be those most academic dishonest

Not entirely sure what the first part of your comment means, but you're going to need to provide a link on the 2nd, and that high achievers that tended to be just as academically dishonest.

http://www.stanford.edu/class/engr110/cheating.html

Or

http://www.businessinsider.com/more-incoming-harvard-students-have-cheated-on-their-homework-than-have-had-sex-2013-9

What IM saying is if you want to make a point, don't insult someone to make it and here is a link. http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/10/02/fraud this all I can do on my phone

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What IM saying is if you want to make a point, don't insult someone to make it and here is a link. http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/10/02/fraud this all I can do on my phone

Who insulted anyone? I said there are plenty of former and present football players smarter than you. There are plenty smarter than a lot of us. The Ivy League has football teams. So does Stanford. And Vanderbilt. And all of the academies. It's a pretty simple fact.

And your article only points out that there is academic fraud and dishonesty in athletics. Where does it point out that it's more prevalent than the student body at large?

They way it was phrases was a blatant insult. I don't take issue with the"smarter" but. It is the "generous" part that was phrases like an insult. In a debate you cannot go around insulting people

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
They way it was phrases was a blatant insult. I don't take issue with the"smarter" but. It is the "generous" part that was phrases like an insult. In a debate you cannot go around insulting people

The generous part is a simple fact too. I don't have my own charity that I run, do you? Because loads of professional athletes do.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/monteburke/2013/09/05/cole-hamels-runs-an-athlete-charity-that-actually-works/

I mean, that's just on example, but I can provide you with tons more if you really want, like this one:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/04/mannings.relief/

So now you are still insulting me, despite me pointing it out

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So now you are still insulting me, despite me pointing it out

I think you and I have far different notions of what an insult is. I tried to relate that by including myself in both of my examples, but I guess it didn't work?

I mean, we sort of have a pot-kettle situation here, started when you first said that all the football players by you were cheating donkey-caves.

Yes it is true that there are athletes better theme. But you immediate reaction to a point you disagree with was to point fun of the guy you dosagree with. Just because something is true doesn't mean it can't be an insult. IM going bald. But if someplace fun of me for it doesn't mean they get off adore free.

Didn't OJ Simpson pull off a similar fake out manoeuvre after he retired?

You know shenanigans at the start, running off then a big score at the end. Thus proving old football players do this sort of thing too.

As someone who isn't (until now) directly involved in this little spat, Hotsauce made an open insult towards a group of people, Cincy made an open insult towards a specific person in this thread (AKA Hotsauce.)

Not sure how mods closing down a thread works here, but I'd recommend it.

But hotsauce is right, most football players are dumbasses. I played football in high school, I'm glad i got out of that group.

I laughed very much. Good idea kid, good idea

 sebster wrote:

 Evil_Toast wrote:
So you guys don't play Knifey Spooney at the pub whilst drinking Fosters standing around the barbie with shrimp on it? I'm shocked! Here's hoping your name is Bruce...

We can't play knifey spoony any more because after they took our guns they came for our knives. And then our spoons.

First they came for our guns, but I didn't say anything because I don't own a gun.
Then they came for our knives, but I told them "you call that a knife?. This is a knife!" and they took it.
Then they came for my spoon, and now I can't eat any ice cream....
Somebody will die, I love ice cream!

 LumenPraebeo wrote:
But hotsauce is right, most football players are dumbasses. I played football in high school, I'm glad i got out of that group.

Except they aren't. Again, it's a gross over generalization that's insulting.

Reminds me of people "dead man walking" in paintball.

Or in other words, walking down the side of the field in a way that appears to all as if they're out, then when they get to the other side they light the other team up from the back.

So people do this, and you know what happens? People just start shooting everything that moves. Get out, start walking off the field, and people are still going to shoot you, regardless of what you say or do, because hey, you could just be pulling that crap like someone did before. So as a result people complain about people overshooting and bonus balling.

Cheap tactics like that, and what happened in that football game, should be shunned and punished.