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 Seaward wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
Yes the fact that some legislators made themselves look stupid proves that forever anyone advocating tighter gun laws is naught but a twit themselves!

I absolutely can assure you if the so called experts on "guns" worked more with the people legislating we would have a lot less of this kind of thing happening, this is merely just another symptom of the utter lack of cooperation in politics.

Experts on guns have no incentive to work with the anti-gun legislators. If you know X amount about guns, you cease buying into the relentlessly ill-informed bs they peddle.

The fact you live and work in DC yet continue to hype up the idea nobody in Washington has any idea what their doing just proves to me you really, really love to troll.

But anyway back to the argument: For every idiot who wants unreasonable restrictions on guns there are 2 more that would love to just see the very loophole intense laws we have been fixed and strengthened. Yet the NRA still refuses to work with even the reasonable people.

Also going by your logic, the NRA are ill-informed bullshitters because they made the argument for a better national backround check system complete with a well working record of all gun owners in case they develop or are found to be mentally ill and you treat the people

Also if you read my entire post you would see my final statement is that other people being silly is no reason to throw on your thomas jefferson outfit and start screaming about how evil government is and make yourself look just as silly!

 Alexzandvar wrote:
The fact you live and work in DC yet continue to hype up the idea nobody in Washington has any idea what their doing just proves to me you really, really love to troll.

I live in Virginia and in Virginia, just across the river from DC. Occasionally, I'm obliged to actually enter it. I'd never actually live in DC. Idiotic gun restrictions. Plenty of people in Washington have an idea of what they're doing. They just tend not to be politicians.

But anyway back to the argument: For every idiot who wants unreasonable restrictions on guns there are 2 more that would love to just see the very loophole intense laws we have been fixed and strengthened. Yet the NRA still refuses to work with even the reasonable people.

The NRA works with reasonable people all the time.

Also going by your logic, the NRA are ill-informed bullshitters because they made the argument for a better national backround check system complete with a well working record of all gun owners in case they develop or are found to be mentally ill and you treat the people

You might want to do a bit of fact-checking there.

But it's irrelevant either way, given that we don't prosecute for lying on 4473s.

Also if you read my entire post you would see my final statement is that other people being silly is no reason to throw on your thomas jefferson outfit and start screaming about how evil government is and make yourself look just as silly!

I read your entire post. At no point did you convince me you were qualified to give advice on how not to look silly.

But anyway back to the argument: For every idiot who wants unreasonable restrictions on guns there are 2 more that would love to just see the very loophole intense laws we have been fixed and strengthened. Yet the NRA still refuses to work with even the reasonable people.

1) The NRA is not our legal representatives. That’s the leftie boogeyman.
2) You don’t sign away rights.
3) There’s been enough compromise on our end already. In large portions of the country we’ve been compromised out of ownership .

Also going by your logic, the NRA are ill-informed bullshitters because they made the argument for a better national backround check system complete with a well working record of all gun owners in case they develop or are found to be mentally ill and you treat the people

1. And? A strengthened background check they support is not the same as the background check you would support.
2. Look to your lefties to see the people who don’t want mentallyy ill reported to the NCIS.

Also if you read my entire post you would see my final statement is that other people being silly is no reason to throw on your thomas jefferson outfit and start screaming about how evil government is and make yourself look just as silly!

You seem to be doing that fine on your own.

 Alexzandvar wrote:

Also I love how people say that we can't pass gun legislation against self loading weapons because the government would have to get confiscate them, and that's not possible despite the fact, that it totally is, since mass recalls on products are regularly carried out by corporations with a lot less manpower the the government.

How many people do you really think would give them up willingly?

I enjoy the revving up of the rhetoric that I'm sort of soft leftie looking to sign away your right, despite that immediately making you all look like you belong in some sort of Town Hall yelling at a congressman because you read something on Fox news

And I have yet to see evidence of the NRA working with reasonable people, bar of course there attempt shortly after the Colombine shootings.

But on to the nit and gritty: The government is not signing away your rights, indeed, I was bashed in the other thread for suggesting the modern clinging to the second amendment silly because in it's most literal terms allows naught but a well operated militia and if we took the constitution's and the bills of rights literally we would have very few of the freedoms we cling to much to today such as yknow PRIVACY.

But were Civilized now, we had planes, electricity, a working justice system, we infer things, we don't take the bible literally anymore (except for some loonies of course). We have the ability to look back and judge how to interpret a 200+ year old document and apply it today with out looking like an idiots or at least I hope we can.

But alas I think the next 10+ pages of this thread will be circle jerking over how evil the government is and how Obama and the democrat "The Lefties" are literally the cancer that is destroying America

Regardless of the outcome, I hope you all do realize how embarrassing you all look when you shout and scream about how evil the government and how you all are a bastion of morality, justice and the American way and then go to post in another thread about how we should be okay with torturing terrorists or how awful gay rights advocates are with zero self awareness of your hipocracy

 Alexzandvar wrote:
I enjoy the revving up of the rhetoric that I'm sort of soft leftie looking to sign away your right, despite that immediately making you all look like you belong in some sort of Town Hall yelling at a congressman because you read something on Fox news

And I have yet to see evidence of the NRA working with reasonable people, bar of course there attempt shortly after the Colombine shootings.

But on to the nit and gritty: The government is not signing away your rights, indeed, I was bashed in the other thread for suggesting the modern clinging to the second amendment silly because in it's most literal terms allows naught but a well operated militia and if we took the constitution's and the bills of rights literally we would have very few of the freedoms we cling to much to today such as yknow PRIVACY.

But were Civilized now, we had planes, electricity, a working justice system, we infer things, we don't take the bible literally anymore (except for some loonies of course). We have the ability to look back and judge how to interpret a 200+ year old document and apply it today with out looking like an idiots or at least I hope we can.

But alas I think the next 10+ pages of this thread will be circle jerking over how evil the government is and how Obama and the democrat "The Lefties" are literally the cancer that is destroying America

Regardless of the outcome, I hope you all do realize how embarrassing you all look when you shout and scream about how evil the government and how you all are a bastion of morality, justice and the American way and then go to post in another thread about how we should be okay with torturing terrorists or how awful gay rights advocates are with zero self awareness of your hipocracy

Ah, to be 16 again.

Man, i wish my gun had a 30 caliber clip.

 Alexzandvar wrote:
I enjoy the revving up of the rhetoric that I'm sort of soft leftie looking to sign away your right, despite that immediately making you all look like you belong in some sort of Town Hall yelling at a congressman because you read something on Fox news

And I have yet to see evidence of the NRA working with reasonable people, bar of course there attempt shortly after the Colombine shootings.

But on to the nit and gritty: The government is not signing away your rights, indeed, I was bashed in the other thread for suggesting the modern clinging to the second amendment silly because in it's most literal terms allows naught but a well operated militia and if we took the constitution's and the bills of rights literally we would have very few of the freedoms we cling to much to today such as yknow PRIVACY.

But were Civilized now, we had planes, electricity, a working justice system, we infer things, we don't take the bible literally anymore (except for some loonies of course). We have the ability to look back and judge how to interpret a 200+ year old document and apply it today with out looking like an idiots or at least I hope we can.

But alas I think the next 10+ pages of this thread will be circle jerking over how evil the government is and how Obama and the democrat "The Lefties" are literally the cancer that is destroying America

Regardless of the outcome, I hope you all do realize how embarrassing you all look when you shout and scream about how evil the government and how you all are a bastion of morality, justice and the American way and then go to post in another thread about how we should be okay with torturing terrorists or how awful gay rights advocates are with zero self awareness of your hipocracy

I've reported you for continual insults and foul language. Either have a conversation like an adult or step out of the forum for a bit and cool down.

 Alexzandvar wrote:

Also I love how people say that we can't pass gun legislation against self loading weapons because the government would have to get confiscate them, and that's not possible despite the fact, that it totally is, since mass recalls on products are regularly carried out by corporations with a lot less manpower the the government.

You're drawing a parallel between product recalls and door to door weapon confiscation?

Brilliant. Absolutely fething brilliant. Please carry on. This is good.

I recently watched Jon Oliver on the Daily Show compare the gun laws in the U.S. with the gun laws in Australia. At the end of the series in this special, he admitted that guns aren't the problem; people are. What I think this means is that Australia has better people than we do which I believe may be true. Of course I've never been to Australia, but...

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
I enjoy the revving up of the rhetoric that I'm sort of soft leftie looking to sign away your right, despite that immediately making you all look like you belong in some sort of Town Hall yelling at a congressman because you read something on Fox news

And I have yet to see evidence of the NRA working with reasonable people, bar of course there attempt shortly after the Colombine shootings.

But on to the nit and gritty: The government is not signing away your rights, indeed, I was bashed in the other thread for suggesting the modern clinging to the second amendment silly because in it's most literal terms allows naught but a well operated militia and if we took the constitution's and the bills of rights literally we would have very few of the freedoms we cling to much to today such as yknow PRIVACY.

But were Civilized now, we had planes, electricity, a working justice system, we infer things, we don't take the bible literally anymore (except for some loonies of course). We have the ability to look back and judge how to interpret a 200+ year old document and apply it today with out looking like an idiots or at least I hope we can.

But alas I think the next 10+ pages of this thread will be circle jerking over how evil the government is and how Obama and the democrat "The Lefties" are literally the cancer that is destroying America

Regardless of the outcome, I hope you all do realize how embarrassing you all look when you shout and scream about how evil the government and how you all are a bastion of morality, justice and the American way and then go to post in another thread about how we should be okay with torturing terrorists or how awful gay rights advocates are with zero self awareness of your hipocracy

I've reported you for continual insults and foul language. Either have a conversation like an adult or step out of the forum for a bit and cool down.

I was not insulting any specific person, I merely called for there so be some more self awareness.

Seaward called me a child, Frazz said I'm a leftie.

How is my appeal to reason amongst the average individual any more inappropriate than that? I don't intend to upset anyone, unless obviously they are to easily angered than its impossible to avoid.

 djones520 wrote:
Damn SAFE Act. Single handedly sank my ambitions to get stationed at Ft. Drum. I had to leave firearms behind when I moved to Japan. I am not leaving firearms behind because I am moving within my own damn country. It's a shame, I had a lot of extended family in that region.

I understand the desire to go because of family, but trust me when I say you DONT want to go to Fort Drum. Its considered gakky by Army standards, how do you think it'll be by AF standards?

 Seaward wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
I enjoy the revving up of the rhetoric that I'm sort of soft leftie looking to sign away your right, despite that immediately making you all look like you belong in some sort of Town Hall yelling at a congressman because you read something on Fox news

And I have yet to see evidence of the NRA working with reasonable people, bar of course there attempt shortly after the Colombine shootings.

But on to the nit and gritty: The government is not signing away your rights, indeed, I was bashed in the other thread for suggesting the modern clinging to the second amendment silly because in it's most literal terms allows naught but a well operated militia and if we took the constitution's and the bills of rights literally we would have very few of the freedoms we cling to much to today such as yknow PRIVACY.

But were Civilized now, we had planes, electricity, a working justice system, we infer things, we don't take the bible literally anymore (except for some loonies of course). We have the ability to look back and judge how to interpret a 200+ year old document and apply it today with out looking like an idiots or at least I hope we can.

But alas I think the next 10+ pages of this thread will be circle jerking over how evil the government is and how Obama and the democrat "The Lefties" are literally the cancer that is destroying America

Regardless of the outcome, I hope you all do realize how embarrassing you all look when you shout and scream about how evil the government and how you all are a bastion of morality, justice and the American way and then go to post in another thread about how we should be okay with torturing terrorists or how awful gay rights advocates are with zero self awareness of your hipocracy

Ah, to be 16 again.

This is the guy that said in another thread how military he was and how real soldiers didn't give a gak about other soldiers dying because that's just what happens, like the wind blowing or the sun shining. I wouldn't worry much about him.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:

Also I love how people say that we can't pass gun legislation against self loading weapons because the government would have to get confiscate them, and that's not possible despite the fact, that it totally is, since mass recalls on products are regularly carried out by corporations with a lot less manpower the the government.

You're drawing a parallel between product recalls and door to door weapon confiscation?

Brilliant. Absolutely fething brilliant. Please carry on. This is good.

Guns are a product made by private companies, so yes it is a product.

I think your not familiar with how a lot of recalls work, they would just offer a deadline and incentive to turn in your now illegal self loading weapon and if you didn't you would be in possession of an illegal fire arm.

Say this, go turn in your weapon to the local police department or other collection center and you receive a tax break or a payment equal to the cost of the weapon, thus noone would lose any money by "giving up" the product as it were.

And again, please refrain from the "haha look at the fool try to be reasonable or suggest anything" since it does not add to the discussion at all, pointless ridicule and unwillingness to give the people the time of day and ability to say their piece is an issue on both sides. This comes back to my central argument, the fact that some people are being ignorant about guns does not give you free reign to then debase yourself and appear just as ignorant by refusing any sort of compromise to a big issue.

 djones520 wrote:
Damn SAFE Act. Single handedly sank my ambitions to get stationed at Ft. Drum. I had to leave firearms behind when I moved to Japan. I am not leaving firearms behind because I am moving within my own damn country. It's a shame, I had a lot of extended family in that region.

You should see upstate NY. It's hard to drive down a road without seeing twelve "repeal" signs in every other yard (they almost cover the broken cars ).

Recalls issued by private corporations do not have to be adhered to, and are not enforceable. So your parallels are extremely weak.

 djones520 wrote:
Recalls issued by private corporations do not have to be adhered to, and are not enforceable. So your parallels are extremely weak.

No, repeal the law.

Edit: or were you not talking to me.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Recalls issued by private corporations do not have to be adhered to, and are not enforceable. So your parallels are extremely weak.

No, repeal the law.

Edit: or were you not talking to me.

We posted at almost the exact same time. I was replying to the post above yours.

 Alexzandvar wrote:


Guns are a product made by private companies, so yes it is a product.

I think your not familiar with how a lot of recalls work, they would just offer a deadline and incentive to turn in your now illegal self loading weapon and if you didn't you would be in possession of an illegal fire arm.

Say this, go turn in your weapon to the local police department or other collection center and you receive a tax break or a payment equal to the cost of the weapon, thus noone would lose any money by "giving up" the product as it were.

Because everyone is going to turn their weapons in?

And again, please refrain from the "haha look at the fool try to be reasonable or suggest anything" since it does not add to the discussion at all, pointless ridicule and unwillingness to give the people the time of day and ability to say their piece is an issue on both sides. This comes back to my central argument, the fact that some people are being ignorant about guns does not give you free reign to then debase yourself and appear just as ignorant by refusing any sort of compromise to a big issue.

Are guns really a problem? 12,000 people die each year in gun related homicide 80% of those deaths are Gang related. So about 2,400 "normal" people die each year from gun homicide. How about spending all this money on Anit-gun lobbying bs and spending it on education in inner cities to try and help bring down that 9,600 gang related gun homicides.

 djones520 wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Recalls issued by private corporations do not have to be adhered to, and are not enforceable. So your parallels are extremely weak.

No, repeal the law.

Edit: or were you not talking to me.

We posted at almost the exact same time. I was replying to the post above yours.

That makes more sense.

 Ninjacommando wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:


Guns are a product made by private companies, so yes it is a product.

I think your not familiar with how a lot of recalls work, they would just offer a deadline and incentive to turn in your now illegal self loading weapon and if you didn't you would be in possession of an illegal fire arm.

Say this, go turn in your weapon to the local police department or other collection center and you receive a tax break or a payment equal to the cost of the weapon, thus noone would lose any money by "giving up" the product as it were.

Because everyone is going to turn their weapons in?

And again, please refrain from the "haha look at the fool try to be reasonable or suggest anything" since it does not add to the discussion at all, pointless ridicule and unwillingness to give the people the time of day and ability to say their piece is an issue on both sides. This comes back to my central argument, the fact that some people are being ignorant about guns does not give you free reign to then debase yourself and appear just as ignorant by refusing any sort of compromise to a big issue.

Are guns really a problem? 12,000 people die each year in gun related homicide 80% of those deaths are Gang related. So about 2,400 "normal" people die each year from gun homicide. How about spending all this money on Anit-gun lobbying bs and spending it on education in inner cities to try and help bring down that 9,600 gang related gun homicides.

Because...

That makes waaaaaaaaay too much sense man.

 Hordini wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:

Also I love how people say that we can't pass gun legislation against self loading weapons because the government would have to get confiscate them, and that's not possible despite the fact, that it totally is, since mass recalls on products are regularly carried out by corporations with a lot less manpower the the government.

How many people do you really think would give them up willingly?

Connecticut is getting a 5% rate.

 Ninjacommando wrote:
Are guns really a problem? 12,000 people die each year in gun related homicide 80% of those deaths are Gang related. So about 2,400 "normal" people die each year from gun homicide. How about spending all this money on Anit-gun lobbying bs and spending it on education in inner cities to try and help bring down that 9,600 gang related gun homicides.

It'll never happen. Nobody who claims to be interested in solving the firearm homicide problem is actually interested in solving the firearm homicide problem. It's a political issue they can score points on. Why make that go away? It's useful to them. They get to stand in front of a podium and blather on about assault rifles and clips and armor-piercing hollowpoints.

That's now, of course. After the AWB finally got the send-off it deserved in 2004, they stayed quiet on it up until Sandy Hook. They knew it was a losing issue. Now, though, there are enough ignorant people who buy into the outright bs about how the AR-15 and its "hyper-velocity" .223 is the most dangerous combination in the world to feed them votes when they get up there and spout nonsense for twenty minutes.

 Ninjacommando wrote:

That feeling when (judging by their color coordination) gang members display better trigger discipline than the Iraqi army, proportionately.

 Rotary wrote:
Man, i wish my gun had a 30 caliber clip.

My 44mag only has a six round clip.

Relapse wrote:

 Seaward wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
I enjoy the revving up of the rhetoric that I'm sort of soft leftie looking to sign away your right, despite that immediately making you all look like you belong in some sort of Town Hall yelling at a congressman because you read something on Fox news

And I have yet to see evidence of the NRA working with reasonable people, bar of course there attempt shortly after the Colombine shootings.

But on to the nit and gritty: The government is not signing away your rights, indeed, I was bashed in the other thread for suggesting the modern clinging to the second amendment silly because in it's most literal terms allows naught but a well operated militia and if we took the constitution's and the bills of rights literally we would have very few of the freedoms we cling to much to today such as yknow PRIVACY.

But were Civilized now, we had planes, electricity, a working justice system, we infer things, we don't take the bible literally anymore (except for some loonies of course). We have the ability to look back and judge how to interpret a 200+ year old document and apply it today with out looking like an idiots or at least I hope we can.

But alas I think the next 10+ pages of this thread will be circle jerking over how evil the government is and how Obama and the democrat "The Lefties" are literally the cancer that is destroying America

Regardless of the outcome, I hope you all do realize how embarrassing you all look when you shout and scream about how evil the government and how you all are a bastion of morality, justice and the American way and then go to post in another thread about how we should be okay with torturing terrorists or how awful gay rights advocates are with zero self awareness of your hipocracy

Ah, to be 16 again.

This is the guy that said in another thread how military he was and how he didn't give a gak about soldiers dying because that's just what happens, like the wind blowing or the sun shining. I wouldn't worry much about him.

For one I am not 16, I am 18 in college and a ROTC cadet so save your insults for one of the roleplaying story thread. but I am insulted that you would twist my statement on how, coming from a military family were the ultimate sacrifice is a regular occurrence and thus I feel that it has become part of my life that I regard as something that doesn't end, and that one day I shall potentially make that sacrifice

Paint me as a lefty liberal who wants to destroy this country, what ever, but do not dare say that I don't give a about soldiers dying.

2 cousins in Afghanistan, the year before they died I shared thanksgiving with them, spoke with then, drank with them, enjoyed a family get togeather with them, they had futures cut short in the cruelty that is war. I still regard their sacrifice with solemness to this day.

I have 4 relatives burried in the Gettysburg cemetery, 3 from the Confederacy and 1 from the Union. My father spent 29 years in the airforce and went through hell in vietnam, his father was a pilot in the pacific theater. The very person I am named after died in the revolutionary war helping fight to make this country possible.

and you dare to suggest that I do not honor these men? That I don't hang a portrait of my namesake in my room, that I don't visit Arlington cemetery every year with my father, that I am not currently taking ROTC to continue the family tradition of service to this Country.

So put me on ignore, hate me all you want do don't twist my words on my family.

EDIT: I mean the person I'm named after In real life, of course

 Hordini wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:

Also I love how people say that we can't pass gun legislation against self loading weapons because the government would have to get confiscate them, and that's not possible despite the fact, that it totally is, since mass recalls on products are regularly carried out by corporations with a lot less manpower the the government.

How many people do you really think would give them up willingly?

Hope he leads the pack that will try to confiscate 'em.

Seaward called me a child, Frazz said I'm a leftie.

How is my appeal to reason amongst the average individual any more inappropriate than that? I don't intend to upset anyone, unless obviously they are to easily angered than its impossible to avoid.

You're not a lefty? Is that an insult to you? It would be insulting to a Republican, but not a Democrat.
Are now or have you ever been a member of the Democratic Party?

 Alexzandvar wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Seaward wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
I enjoy the revving up of the rhetoric that I'm sort of soft leftie looking to sign away your right, despite that immediately making you all look like you belong in some sort of Town Hall yelling at a congressman because you read something on Fox news

And I have yet to see evidence of the NRA working with reasonable people, bar of course there attempt shortly after the Colombine shootings.

But on to the nit and gritty: The government is not signing away your rights, indeed, I was bashed in the other thread for suggesting the modern clinging to the second amendment silly because in it's most literal terms allows naught but a well operated militia and if we took the constitution's and the bills of rights literally we would have very few of the freedoms we cling to much to today such as yknow PRIVACY.

But were Civilized now, we had planes, electricity, a working justice system, we infer things, we don't take the bible literally anymore (except for some loonies of course). We have the ability to look back and judge how to interpret a 200+ year old document and apply it today with out looking like an idiots or at least I hope we can.

But alas I think the next 10+ pages of this thread will be circle jerking over how evil the government is and how Obama and the democrat "The Lefties" are literally the cancer that is destroying America

Regardless of the outcome, I hope you all do realize how embarrassing you all look when you shout and scream about how evil the government and how you all are a bastion of morality, justice and the American way and then go to post in another thread about how we should be okay with torturing terrorists or how awful gay rights advocates are with zero self awareness of your hipocracy

Ah, to be 16 again.

This is the guy that said in another thread how military he was and how he didn't give a gak about soldiers dying because that's just what happens, like the wind blowing or the sun shining. I wouldn't worry much about him.

For one I am not 16, I am 18 in college and a ROTC cadet so save your insults for one of the roleplaying story thread. but I am insulted that you would twist my statement on how, coming from a military family were the ultimate sacrifice is a regular occurrence and thus I feel that it has become part of my life that I regard as something that doesn't end, and that one day I shall potentially make that sacrifice

Paint me as a lefty liberal who wants to destroy this country, what ever, but do not dare say that I don't give a about soldiers dying.

2 cousins in Afghanistan, the year before they died I shared thanksgiving with them, spoke with then, drank with them, enjoyed a family get togeather with them, they had futures cut short in the cruelty that is war. I still regard their sacrifice with solemness to this day.

I have 4 relatives burried in the Gettysburg cemetery, 3 from the Confederacy and 1 from the Union. My father spent 29 years in the airforce and went through hell in vietnam, his father was a pilot in the pacific theater. The very person I am named after died in the revolution war helping fight to make this country possible.

and you dare to suggest that I do not honor these men? That I don't hang a portrait of my namesake in my room, that I don't visit Arlington cemetery every year with my father, that I am not currently taking ROTC to continue the family tradition of service to this Country.

So put me on ignore, hate me all you want do don't twist my words on my family.

Your doin' fine hanging yourself with your own words....

 Alexzandvar wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Seaward wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
I enjoy the revving up of the rhetoric that I'm sort of soft leftie looking to sign away your right, despite that immediately making you all look like you belong in some sort of Town Hall yelling at a congressman because you read something on Fox news

And I have yet to see evidence of the NRA working with reasonable people, bar of course there attempt shortly after the Colombine shootings.

But on to the nit and gritty: The government is not signing away your rights, indeed, I was bashed in the other thread for suggesting the modern clinging to the second amendment silly because in it's most literal terms allows naught but a well operated militia and if we took the constitution's and the bills of rights literally we would have very few of the freedoms we cling to much to today such as yknow PRIVACY.

But were Civilized now, we had planes, electricity, a working justice system, we infer things, we don't take the bible literally anymore (except for some loonies of course). We have the ability to look back and judge how to interpret a 200+ year old document and apply it today with out looking like an idiots or at least I hope we can.

But alas I think the next 10+ pages of this thread will be circle jerking over how evil the government is and how Obama and the democrat "The Lefties" are literally the cancer that is destroying America

Regardless of the outcome, I hope you all do realize how embarrassing you all look when you shout and scream about how evil the government and how you all are a bastion of morality, justice and the American way and then go to post in another thread about how we should be okay with torturing terrorists or how awful gay rights advocates are with zero self awareness of your hipocracy

Ah, to be 16 again.

This is the guy that said in another thread how military he was and how he didn't give a gak about soldiers dying because that's just what happens, like the wind blowing or the sun shining. I wouldn't worry much about him.

For one I am not 16, I am 18 in college and a ROTC cadet so save your insults for one of the roleplaying story thread. but I am insulted that you would twist my statement on how, coming from a military family were the ultimate sacrifice is a regular occurrence and thus I feel that it has become part of my life that I regard as something that doesn't end, and that one day I shall potentially make that sacrifice

Paint me as a lefty liberal who wants to destroy this country, what ever, but do not dare say that I don't give a about soldiers dying.

2 cousins in Afghanistan, the year before they died I shared thanksgiving with them, spoke with then, drank with them, enjoyed a family get togeather with them, they had futures cut short in the cruelty that is war. I still regard their sacrifice with solemness to this day.

I have 4 relatives burried in the Gettysburg cemetery, 3 from the Confederacy and 1 from the Union. My father spent 29 years in the airforce and went through hell in vietnam, his father was a pilot in the pacific theater. The very person I am named after died in the revolution war helping fight to make this country possible.

and you dare to suggest that I do not honor these men? That I don't hang a portrait of my namesake in my room, that I don't visit Arlington cemetery every year with my father, that I am not currently taking ROTC to continue the family tradition of service to this Country.

So put me on ignore, hate me all you want do don't twist my words on my family.

Direct quotes from you off the "Never forget Benghazi" thread, page 7:


This about those who died in Benghazi:

"I lost my sympathy for Benghazi's "victims" when my Civil War battery did a a memorial for the seals that died there and the wife of the commander called me the "cancer that was killing America" in front of a crowd.


I know how to play a trumpet pretty well, so at the event I played taps, and was invited to attend the after party for the memorial, I then was able to speak to attendee's which was cool (cause navy seal vets were attending), but then after I mentioned video games while speaking with father this lady refereed to me as noted earlier "The cancer thats killing America", she also went on to give a speech above how evil video games and big government is.

Me and my father promptly left. So yeah, if the widows of this "tragedy" want to use there husbands deaths to push political points then they can feth off.

So if your pissed at Obama or Hillary for the handling of these deaths, be even more pissed the so called victims familys are using there loved ones deaths to push political issues all the same."


And this about SEALs dying:


"Coming from a military family Iv been more groomed to just see soldiers dying just as a "thing that happens" when it comes to war zones, so I don't really feel that angry about navy seals dying in the line of duty, since, well, that's the job description.

tragedy comes into play when you say, have a vet who comes home to no work or doesn't get the proper mental healthcare. but again, soldiers dying in the field, nothing new under the sun. "

Taken together, what am I supposed to think?