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Ironically, I can take all Imperial Knights, and still be Battleforged. Wonder if we can take all Seneschals as an Unbound Household?

SJ

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
As far as I was aware they most definitely did have to follow the allies chart. Suggesting anything else is surely nothing short of mental?

Because often space marines fight along nids. And I quite often see a grey knight paladin saving the life of a plague bearer?!

Think it through guys...

Think through this: Space Marines can SUMMON Daemons.

 Glorywarrior wrote:

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
As far as I was aware they most definitely did have to follow the allies chart. Suggesting anything else is surely nothing short of mental?

Because often space marines fight along nids. And I quite often see a grey knight paladin saving the life of a plague bearer?!

Think it through guys...

Think through this: Space Marines can SUMMON Daemons.

More to the point, GK can.

One of our club came up with:

I'm thinking things like Grot kannons at 20pts each, so who wants to come at my 75 cannons? they're all T7, 3W, 3+sv, every one is a separate unit for targeting and charging purposes. and each has a BS3 shot at S8 AP3 or a small blast at S4 AP5.

Not a bad idea.

Barring the Heavy Weapons mission making each of those small units scoring and worth a VP, which is a singular mission so big deal, that would be rather annoying and lethal to deal with.

Kannons arent as bad as they seem at first for the cost because their LD sucks, and any assault usually means instasplat even against cannonfodder level troops (firewarriors could beat them...thats how bad they are lol). I never lose the kannons unless they are focused like crazy, i usually lose enough grots to fail a LD and they run away.
MSU of kannons...would ignore that flaw lol omg

The all Kannon list is a funny thought yeah.

I dont think all teams can summon daemons. Not all teams can use diviniation, for example. But I have heard that they are allowing SM to do it.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Nothing but Lone Wolves. Just a giant wave of them. Just run them at the enemy and get them gunned down left and right.

I want to see this only because it'd be one of the weird cases where your army could completely stomp the other player's army, and still wind up losing because of how the Lone Wolves' VP rules work.

Or you could just sit their and die, and win.

 Glorywarrior wrote:
Or you could just sit their and die, and win.

*there.

"Over there, not here."

"It is their ball, not mine."

"They're playing football. I am not."


- Before the internet has a heart attack.

Yes. Grammar Nazi. Guilty as charged.

I'm thinking Slaneeshi Daemons getting dropped off by Dark Eldar vehicles. Now would be a good time to start praying to your Emperor God.

WAIT SCREW THAT, What can come out of their web way portal now? Literally anything right? An Ork WAAAGH charging out of a portal holy crap

For those still clinging to reason and the hope of the allies matrix as far as Unbound armies go, here's a quote from WD;

"It’s worth pondering exactly what the line ‘whichever units from your collections that you want’ means, however. Your collection may, of course, include all manner of units from all manner of armies. So, yes, this means you can simply play a game of Warhammer 40,000 with an army as random and diverse as you want. You could have Space Marine Sternguard Veterans, a Bloodthirster of Khorne, a Tyranid Exocrine, a Tau Riptide Battlesuit and a unit of Eldar Guardians as your army. That’s a very silly and extreme example, and you certainly won’t be very popular with your opponents, and we think you’ll find that going radically ‘off-piste’ with theme and background makes for far, far less compelling games and battlefield storytelling."

It's a little scary if I'm honest.

Wow. So an unbound army DOES completely ignore the Allies matrix?!?!?

Kholzerino wrote:
Wow. So an unbound army DOES completely ignore the Allies matrix?!?!?

Just when I thought an awful idea couldn't get any worse.

Well done, GW.

 Blacksails wrote:

Kholzerino wrote:
Wow. So an unbound army DOES completely ignore the Allies matrix?!?!?

Just when I thought an awful idea couldn't get any worse.

Well done, GW.

*slow clap*

..GW...

I'd like to point out at thus time that the new WD has been wrong before, such as when they stated Imperial Knights could Allie with any faction, only to be proven wrong when the codex came out literally a few weeks later. Just say'n.

SJ

 Gitsmasher wrote:
All Kroot! So many sniper shots a turn.

Or just take a 65pt Ethereal and you can do the same thing! Omg it's like you could do that anyway, you're just limited to 60 Kroot.


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 Selym wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

Kholzerino wrote:
Wow. So an unbound army DOES completely ignore the Allies matrix?!?!?

Just when I thought an awful idea couldn't get any worse.

Well done, GW.

*slow clap*

..GW...

We all know the scheming, ultra-loving mastermind behind this.. Matthew Ward.
WAAAAAAAAAAARD!

 Blacksails wrote:

Kholzerino wrote:
Wow. So an unbound army DOES completely ignore the Allies matrix?!?!?

Just when I thought an awful idea couldn't get any worse.

Well done, GW.

Finnaly I can use Broadsides to support my Nids...

 Windir83 wrote:
For those still clinging to reason and the hope of the allies matrix as far as Unbound armies go, here's a quote from WD;

"It’s worth pondering exactly what the line ‘whichever units from your collections that you want’ means, however. Your collection may, of course, include all manner of units from all manner of armies. So, yes, this means you can simply play a game of Warhammer 40,000 with an army as random and diverse as you want. You could have Space Marine Sternguard Veterans, a Bloodthirster of Khorne, a Tyranid Exocrine, a Tau Riptide Battlesuit and a unit of Eldar Guardians as your army. That’s a very silly and extreme example, and you certainly won’t be very popular with your opponents, and we think you’ll find that going radically ‘off-piste’ with theme and background makes for far, far less compelling games and battlefield storytelling."

It's a little scary if I'm honest.

Not so much. Unless you're coming with a fully converted army of hi-tech human rogues using Tau hovertanks in place of IG armored vehicles, or some other reasonably fluffy army made by mixing and matching units from various codices like, say Hrud or AdMech or Ulumèathi or Pan Fo or something, I won't be playing against your unbound monstrosity. Aesthetics first, pure and simple

so much Genestealer cult

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
I'd like to point out at thus time that the new WD has been wrong before, such as when they stated Imperial Knights could Allie with any faction, only to be proven wrong when the codex came out literally a few weeks later. Just say'n.

SJ

In about a week, however, Knights *will* be able to ally with any faction, thus vindicating their statement

For years I just bought random special character models for the joy of painting

Well at first I hated the idea of unbound army lists but now I can field them all in one army.

Woot, army of special characters with some wraith knights and riptides thrown in here I come!

re unbound, Issue 15 described unbound armies as "Basically Unbound armies allow you to take whatever you want from your collection, and throw the force organisation chart out of the window (while still adhering to unit sizes and heeding the relationships described by the all-new Allies Matrix)."

So, based on WD 15, no you won't be able to take whatever you want....WD 16 you can.

So you have a 50/50 chance of being delighted/horrified I guess.

 Selym wrote:
I thought we were past the "ima spam the most powerful everything" stage...

Aye. :/


I'm enjoying *most* of the Unbound Fluffy thread more...

pinecone77 wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

Kholzerino wrote:
Wow. So an unbound army DOES completely ignore the Allies matrix?!?!?

Just when I thought an awful idea couldn't get any worse.

Well done, GW.

Finnaly I can use Broadsides to support my Nids...

On the plus side, I can have CSM in drop pods, make a GK libby summon some daemons, sacrifice an Eldar to slaanesh....

In my head it started off fun, and then quickly went to "But I don't fking like buying Eldar. Bloody pansies."
And I can't stand the idea of looking like I'm validating Ward's fanwank of a codex.
And I consider buying anything with an image of the Ultra-spehss on the box (that aren't being killed) to be utter heresy...

Aw. I made myself sad now :C

I have teo plans so far, both silly. The first is an all Leman Russ army to spam as many battle cannon shells as a time and see what happens. My next is an army composed entirely of named characters.

It ignores the allies matrix???

I don't think you'll find it does - entirely. It ignores the FOC which only allows one ally. So you can now ally sm to chaos and tyranids but they are all 'come the apocalypse' allies.

Allies matrix has different restriction/penalties now for the different types of allies, my guess would be less BB armies but BB are the only ones to allow proper coop.
Desperate and come the apoc may be even worse than they currently are to balance your pick n mix army.

my 2 cent anyway.

...anyway even if im wrong it will let for some fluffy combos like genestealer cults and better construction of custom codex armies, my rebal grot and hive gang armies will be happy for the increased scope in rules proxy.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:
All Kroot! So many sniper shots a turn.

Or just take a 65pt Ethereal and you can do the same thing! Omg it's like you could do that anyway, you're just limited to 60 Kroot.

I just went over my tau codex, and I'm not following what your saying? ethereal dont have sniper weapons, and I can have no where near as many sniper drones as I can kroot.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Nothing but Lone Wolves. Just a giant wave of them. Just run them at the enemy and get them gunned down left and right.

You read my mind

We can now have Iron warrior armies with Imperial Guard tanks YAY!!