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ME3's ending was fine, and ME2 was fun. DA2 was better than the average for the genre, but that's a low standard.
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...and really, the Bioware wheel. Want to know how actual decision-making works? Witcher series. Bioware SUCKS at it. A lot. If there always is a perfect solution for any problem (that mostly requires having X in stat Y), then there is no conflict.
*shudders*
The Witcher was good at decision-making? I disagree. Don't get me wrong every side had their good and bad but for the first big decision of the game where you decide to help the witch or side with the angry mob and kill the witch you end up killing a f*cking town for siding with the witch. Couldn't you just fight off the angry mob? If I remember he'd kill everything but dogs and basically would kill the whole town. The witcher has extreme and few decisions instead of many intricate ones. Option A: f*ck over group A, Option B: f*ck over group B and option C: f*ck over everybody except yourself.
Also yeah 'the witcher' has no homosexuality in the first or weird relationships but instead makes up for it by forcing you to f*ck everything in sight (you get cards for it too making it the only card game that you actual get laid more from getting more cards) that is even remotely female including vampires, forest spirits, gods and pretty much anything. It's kind of ridiculous how they try to make you seem like so much of a man by getting all the ladies of every species and only the ladies. I'd probably laugh if geralt tried f*cking a dude by accident at one point just because he seemed female.
Women are also incredibly easy to have sex with in 'the witcher'. Not saying all women take not having sex to the grave but a simple conversation leading up to sex shouldn't happen so easily for a guy with cat eyes with skin so pale you'd imagine he's dead or undead. Of course seeing as vampires are the current sexual fantasy creature and girls like cats it only makes sense that women would like a dude that reminds them of both. I can imagine the girls Geralt attracts are probably the emo type as well.
Anyway sorry for the rant. I won't say bioware is great but saying 'the witcher' or at least the first witcher was great with decision-making is pretty ridiculous. In bioware you get a million choices that don't always really effect things and in 'the witcher' you get 3 choices which effect things too much but in a sense things are probably roughly the same in the next act.
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There is but Geralt is not gay. The cards were quite crass but Witchers are supposed to be sexually voracious, apparently due to their mutations, so at least there is some context to it.
I haven't really enjoyed a Bioware game since Knights of the Old Republic, they are a developer who has seriously gone off the boil in recent years. Their games are passable but I would hardly call them amazing.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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Melissia wrote: ME3's ending was fine, and ME2 was fun. DA2 was better than the average for the genre, but that's a low standard.
ME3's original ending(s), pre-"sorry about that" DLC, were bad. That level of outcry would not have existed if they had been merely "ok".
Of course I come at Mass Effect from a very different angle, having only played the games long after the "fixed" ending DLC came out, and playing all three games for the first time well aware of the original ending controversy. So I think the ME trilogy is great, but I can see why people were annoyed with the original endings to ME3.
As far as The Witcher goes... never played the first one. The second one was pretty cool though.
Admittedly I have yet to play the 2nd one but some moments in the gameplay previews seemed stupid and ridiculous in a sexual sense. I find it strange that I as one of the more perverted guys with the exception of otakus find 'the witcher' series to be very perverted and a bit much whereas most take no offense. I just don't get it.
Oh and without potions witchers are like half of what they can be anyway and strangely enough most potions require alcohol last I remembered. I'll admit it's a refreshing fantasy setting but it's too sexual even for me sometimes. If I wanted to watch p*rn I'd do it. Having it in games to such an extent kind of waters down the game and this is coming from me. I like to separate sexual things and stuff like video games. In the first and 2nd witcher games I almost imagine there should be a f*ck counter for every woman you tap and in most cases it's just a lewd picture and blurred out sex. That said I hear the 2nd witcher did away with some of that (going for stock footage sex scenes instead with insert girl of the day's photo here). I will admit though Triss is pretty hot .
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It's looking quite likely that this is the project the Failbetter games have been collaborating on and if so this makes me far more interested in it. If you don't know who Failbetter are play Fallen London this instant. Its free.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
TheDraconicLord wrote: Yeah, I'm excited for it. It's Bioware, the only game of theirs I still haven't played is Dragon Age 2 and I loved all the others. I'm pumped for a horror game made by Bioware!
DA2 gets a lot unnecessary hate, but the game is too short and the setting is woefully underdeveloped. It's a middle of the road quality game from a developer that usually publishes much better.
Well...
(and I say this as a fan of DA2)
If DA2 had been followed by something *other* than ME3, people probably wouldn't be so hesitant regarding another Bioware game. If you release one disappointing game, then you can show that it was just a hiccup by releasing a good game. But Bioware followed up the unpopular DA2 with the spectacular disaster known as "Mass Effect 3's ending". Back to back problems like that are the sort of thing that make people start to wonder whether a game developer has lost its magic.
ME3's ending was blown completely out of proportion.
EmilCrane wrote:DA2s biggest problem is that it had to follow Origins, which was a truly amazing game, which was in development for a long time. I honestly think DA2 was rushed out the door to launch before skyrim, which is why the environments were reused and one companion in particular was bugged to hell.
I honestly liked DA2 more than Origins. Neither game had very likeable characters.
Melissia wrote:ME3's ending was fine, and ME2 was fun. DA2 was better than the average for the genre, but that's a low standard.
ME3's ending was poor, but that doesn't change the fact that the remainder of the game was awesome, all the DLC's were good, and the ME trilogy is arguably the best RPG series of all time.
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flamingkillamajig wrote: Admittedly I have yet to play the 2nd one but some moments in the gameplay previews seemed stupid and ridiculous in a sexual sense. I find it strange that I as one of the more perverted guys with the exception of otakus find 'the witcher' series to be very perverted and a bit much whereas most take no offense. I just don't get it.
Oh and without potions witchers are like half of what they can be anyway and strangely enough most potions require alcohol last I remembered. I'll admit it's a refreshing fantasy setting but it's too sexual even for me sometimes. If I wanted to watch p*rn I'd do it. Having it in games to such an extent kind of waters down the game and this is coming from me. I like to separate sexual things and stuff like video games. In the first and 2nd witcher games I almost imagine there should be a f*ck counter for every woman you tap and in most cases it's just a lewd picture and blurred out sex. That said I hear the 2nd witcher did away with some of that (going for stock footage sex scenes instead with insert girl of the day's photo here). I will admit though Triss is pretty hot .
There's one sex scene (with Triss), except if you specifically seek out the prostitutes, which are not required at all. And there are no cards. It's such a minor detail in Witcher 2 that it's hardly worth mentioning.
flamingkillamajig wrote: Admittedly I have yet to play the 2nd one but some moments in the gameplay previews seemed stupid and ridiculous in a sexual sense. I find it strange that I as one of the more perverted guys with the exception of otakus find 'the witcher' series to be very perverted and a bit much whereas most take no offense. I just don't get it.
Oh and without potions witchers are like half of what they can be anyway and strangely enough most potions require alcohol last I remembered. I'll admit it's a refreshing fantasy setting but it's too sexual even for me sometimes. If I wanted to watch p*rn I'd do it. Having it in games to such an extent kind of waters down the game and this is coming from me. I like to separate sexual things and stuff like video games. In the first and 2nd witcher games I almost imagine there should be a f*ck counter for every woman you tap and in most cases it's just a lewd picture and blurred out sex. That said I hear the 2nd witcher did away with some of that (going for stock footage sex scenes instead with insert girl of the day's photo here). I will admit though Triss is pretty hot .
There's one sex scene (with Triss), except if you specifically seek out the prostitutes, which are not required at all. And there are no cards. It's such a minor detail in Witcher 2 that it's hardly worth mentioning.
Actually, there's more than that. You can romance Ves (Roche path) and a Succubus (Iorveth path) as well. They are very short too, not like the Triss one.
There is but Geralt is not gay. The cards were quite crass but Witchers are supposed to be sexually voracious, apparently due to their mutations, so at least there is some context to it.
I haven't really enjoyed a Bioware game since Knights of the Old Republic, they are a developer who has seriously gone off the boil in recent years. Their games are passable but I would hardly call them amazing.
Witchers are also sterile and cannot contract diseases, which...helps.
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CthuluIsSpy wrote: Actually, there's more than that.
You can romance Ves (Roche path) and a Succubus (Iorveth path) as well.
They are very short too, not like the Triss one.
And the fact that I forgot about them really kinda strengthens what I was saying about how minor they are to Witcher 2.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Actually, there's more than that.
You can romance Ves (Roche path) and a Succubus (Iorveth path) as well.
They are very short too, not like the Triss one.
And the fact that I forgot about them really kinda strengthens what I was saying about how minor they are to Witcher 2.
That is true. Not important at all.
Unlike Triss's scene because she is Geralt's girlfriend.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: ME3's original ending(s), pre-"sorry about that" DLC, were bad. That level of outcry would not have existed if they had been merely "ok".
Sure it would, people whine a lot, and you will often get people whining about things that they have no reason to whine about. People whine about things they like almost as much as they whine about things they don't like
More importantly, and more on topic, I'm interested in seeing actual gameplay.
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trexmeyer wrote: ME3's ending was blown completely out of proportion.
No, it wasn't.
It was the climax of a trilogy. It was something big. There were a lot of ways to handle that.
What we ended up with was a completely out of left field villain who had never even been hinted at previously, and an incomplete ending (which is why they had to go back and patch in the extended ending later on). The ending was so bad that a very credible and popular theory was advanced that Shepard was actually indoctrinated during the ending.
Think about that for a minute. At the end of the trilogy, a very large chunk of the fanbase thought that Shepard secretly being brainwashed and crazy made more sense than what we were shown.
I'm pretty confident that the *only* reason the writers included the "Destroy option means killing off your robotic allies, including one of your fellow shipmates" bit is because otherwise 99% of the playerbase would have happily wiped out the Reapers without batting an eyelash. That was, after all, what you'd been fighting to achieve ever since roughly halfway through the first game. And the writers' contempt for the players and their opinions showed up in the extended ending release, when the writers changed one thing about the decision making process. Quite a few players were very pissed off about the "out of left field, who the Hell is ghost boy!?" thing, and emptied their pistol into him before making their forced and stupidly contrived decision. So Bioware patched in a little bit that had shooting Ghost Boy automatically cause you to take the "I do nothing" choice.
Complaining about Bioware's ham-handed ending? We can't have players voicing their opinions on crappy writing!
That contempt also came through somewhat on the official forums when players first started finishing the game. The complaints were very loud and noisy at that point from the players (as noted, both due to the utterly out of left field nature of Ghost Boy, as well as the fact that large chunks of the ending were blatantly missing). And the response to this overwhelming tidal wave of complaints was to essentially gloss the whole thing over and insist that the ending was the most amazing thing ever. And players had no clue what they were talking about.
There's actually a conversation released with the game (I'm not sure if you can actually get it to play in the game or not, though; it's on YouTube) between Anderson and Shepard after the Illusive Man is killed, in which Anderson talks about what an amazing parent Shepard would be. The placement of the conversation in the overall storyline (i.e. literally *just* before the end) seems to strongly hint that a much more survivable ending was originally planned for Shepard, but there was a change at the last minute. That theory also seems to be justified by the fact that at least half - if not more - of the sequences for the ending (as revealed in the eventual ending DLC fix) were absent from the original game release. Best guess is that the ending was completely rewritten at the last minute, and there wasn't enough time to finish the new cinematics before the game was released. So we ended up with truncated placeholders until the cinematics could be finished and released as the fix DLC.
Spoilering my response because this is incredibly off topic.
Spoiler:
Eumerin wrote: What we ended up with was a completely out of left field villain
They were the leader of the Reapers, a group of beings that existed in the first game. That's not "completely out of left field." Maybe you just need to pay attention to the story of the games you play more.
Eumerin wrote: The ending was so bad that a very boring and horrible theory was advanced that Shepard was actually indoctrinated during the ending.
Fixed that for you.
Eumerin wrote: Think about that for a minute. At the end of the trilogy, a small chunk of the fanbase thought that Shepard secretly being brainwashed and crazy made more sense than what we were shown.
Fixed tha tfor you. And really, just because a very annoyingly vocal minority says something doesn't make it true. It just means that minority wasn't attentive enough to pick up on the hints in the earlier games about the reapers.
Eumerin wrote: the writers' contempt for the players and their opinions showed up
Never.
Eumerin wrote: Quite a few players were very pissed off about the "out of left field, who the Hell is ghost boy!?" thing
Yeah, a lot of players are quite inattentive, but what's new about that, exactly?
Eumerin wrote: Complaining about Bioware's ham-handed ending? We can't have players voicing their opinions on crappy writing!
Players whining about their actions having consequences, lawl. Deal with it.
I can't really add much more to the topic itself, so I'll just wait for more info to be released before posting more.
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"Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world! Surrender to these truths, you pigs in human clothing!" - Satsuki Kiryuin, Kill la Kill
My thought with the first teaser was that it was going to be a while before we got any solid information about this. But with this second teaser, it appears that Bioware is rapidly building toward something.
Edit - Also noticed there's a date in the caption below the video - 8-13-2014. Might mean there's an important real world announcement on that day.\
Looks interesting, gonna have to keep an eye out for more information in the coming months/year.
Thoughts on ME3 ending and how the extended cut made some bits worse in spoiler.
Spoiler:
On the topic of ME3s ending; I liked it.
I think the extended ending in some cases detracted from the original ending. Everything they showed about how the relays could be rebuilt, how the Krogan were doing etc. was stuff I had already been able to assume myself. That did not need to be spoon fed to me.
As for Ghost Boy, considering the Reapers are capable of controlling your thoughts it makes sense that they can read them, too. In my headcanon the child had been playing on Shepard's mind a lot, due to her inability to save him on Earth. In a sense he had become the personification of humanity being harvested in Shepard's subconscious. The AI saw something that Shepard had been thinking of a lot and took that form as a means of influencing her. Would it have been any better if we got a jumbled image like Vigil in ME1 rather than the boy? I don't think so.
I remember people on the Bioware boards saying that if the relays were destroyed it would kill everyone in the systems where they were (like what happened in Arrival in ME2). They completely failed to notice that the relays had already dispersed their energy in the form dictated by your choice on the Crucible before they fell apart.
And they ruined the final push to the beam on Earth. Being in control of Shepard and charging forwards whilst people and tanks around you are being obliterated by Harbinger was amazing. So what did the extended cut do? Have you take a break in the middle for the Normandy to pick up your squad mates and then it becomes a non interactive cut scene. That is a damn sight less effective than the player actually being in control. It's akin to making Shepard activating the Mawhammers on Tuchanka a cutscene rather than an epic fight involving dodging a Reaper Destroyer's feet whilst you try to fight off Brutes.
Then adding in all the little scenes like Hackett ordering people to fall back (which is completely pointless anyway if the Crucible failed) drag out the ending.
Just my opinion, though and I understand that some people didn't like it. I just uninstalled the extended cut so I guess everyone won in the end
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Nobody admits it but everyone would buy Porn Age: Mass Orgies.
Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.
If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in.
Nobody admits it but everyone would buy Porn Age: Mass Orgies.
Eh. Porn itself is really suitable for little more than a minigame, rather than the main content of a AAA rated game. I wouldn't buy a 50 dollar game that was nothing but smut.
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This thread never had a point. We know absolutely nothing about the game yet, so...meh. And since it's Bioware, chances are its main features are bland choices, clothed awkward sex and slapped on homolove.
Sigvatr wrote: This thread never had a point. We know absolutely nothing about the game yet, so...meh. And since it's Bioware, chances are its main features are bland choices, clothed awkward sex and slapped on homolove.
I'm not sure if you're trolling or if you're actually that aggravated by the ME3 endings. Either one is pathetic.
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