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Hollismason wrote:
Wait so does it give them Deepstrike even if they don't have a transport or just Deepstrike if they have a transport.

Both, so you can take 20 warriors and add a haemy with WWP and they deep strike in. Or you can add a haemy to say a wave serpent with fire dragons and it would deepstrike with no scatter.

 BunkerBob wrote:
So does this make them a one trick pony? I wouldn't mind selling off my growing collection of space marines, or Flames of War, or maybe my Orks (kidding, they are so random i will never have a perfect games because they could always do better) I've always enjoyed their form of lightning war but I don't want a simple one trick pony that will bore me to death (Because their forgeworld sail boats are awesome).

definitely on the weakside with a few gimmics to exploit.


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 Sir Arun wrote:
How does the new Dark Eldar dex compare to the old?

Stronger?
Weaker?
Better Internal Balance?
Worse?

Does it destroy a lot of armylists?

What's all the stuff that was removed? (characters, wargear etc.)

Weaker
Worse internal baance
probably a lot that is just flat worse.

WWP work completely different, so this is the last nail in the coffin for those armies.
Hellions and wracks can no longer be troops, so much for those armies.
Wyches got nerfed hard, but it has been a long time coming. Probably should have expected it

Vect, Baron, the Duke and Malys are all gone, so only the popular special characters are gone.


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 Ravenous D wrote:

 RatBot wrote:
Does the base Codex still make Wracks troops if you take a Haemonculus as HQ? Or is that only in the Coven supplement?

Negative, wracks are elites regardless. The coven supplement will make them troops.

It doesnt make them troops, just has detachments that do not have any troop slots and lots of elite slots.

Wracks cannot get objective secured


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 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Baron and nerf to Khymera pretty much mean the end of beastpack, if it wasn't dead already.

It's changed. Now that you can mix as you please, the large clawed fiend pack could be a cheap option

6 clawed fiends, 4 razorwingflocks, and 2 beastmasters

32 T5 wounds for 220 points


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 Sephyr wrote:

How are Hellions? Do they get grenades or any tricks?

Can you still fit two Haemonculi in a single HQ slot?

Do they all still have Fleet? Do they have anything similar to the Eldar Battle Focus?

Helions are terrible, no grenades, 1 attack per base, the cost of a CSM, but still T3 5+

Haemonculi are 20 points more expensive base and take up 1 slot each.

Haemonculi do not have feet, and nothing similar to Battle Focus is in the dex


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 Ravenous D wrote:


Webway portals are amazing. A character that has a webway portal that joins a unit gives that unit and its transport deepstrike with no scatter, so Archon or Haemy with WWP with 10 D-Sycthe wraithguard with a spiritseer with voice of twilight = pain.

Indeed, DSing a bunch of templates wherever you like can massacre most things. Expect tau to start loading up on intercepter again to try and stop it.

Yeah if it just gives any unit he is with Deep strike regardless of whether they have a transport or not that's pretty much insta death.

You're not regardless of what you shot at them going to wipe out a 10 man Wraithguard in one go with interceptor.

It's a little funny that one of the best things about the new DE is that they make craftworld Eldar better...

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah if it just gives any unit he is with Deep strike regardless of whether they have a transport or not that's pretty much insta death.

You're not regardless of what you shot at them going to wipe out a 10 man Wraithguard in one go with interceptor.

Assuming you play nothing but tau riptides.

And if you're not targeting them out turn one then its just a flaw against that one list.

What is the Dark Eldar Warlord table? Just for curiosity's sake

 bocatt wrote:
What is the Dark Eldar Warlord table? Just for curiosity's sake

1: All friendly dark eldar faction models with 12" have fear
2: Reroll seize, night fight, and reserve rolls (would have been Vects if he was in there)
3: Rage
4: Hatred
5: +1 Ws
6: All friendly dark eldar faction models with 12" have fearless

Does the Haemonculus Ancient still exist or was he cut/made as an upgrade?

DrSchwartz wrote:
Does the Haemonculus Ancient still exist or was he cut/made as an upgrade?

Gone, there is only the Haemonculus, who has the stat line of the ancient.

From how it sounds Dark Eldar are pretty much always going to be a ally for Eldar. They don't seem to have anything left to build an army around.

My question I suppose is, are the rules very clear that you can take a WWP and use it with an ally such as a wraithguard unit?

Additionally, someone asked earlier and I didn't see an answer, can the generic HQs take bikes / skyboards?

Just curious if I need to pick up some DE models for my eldar army.

 Goldphish wrote:
From how it sounds Dark Eldar are pretty much always going to be a ally for Eldar. They don't seem to have anything left to build an army around.

My question I suppose is, are the rules very clear that you can take a WWP and use it with an ally such as a wraithguard unit?

Additionally, someone asked earlier and I didn't see an answer, can the generic HQs take bikes / skyboards?

Just curious if I need to pick up some DE models for my eldar army.

I guess that the ally rules for Battle Brothers will allow to use a WWP with an Eldar unit. This is not WWP specific.

Bikes and sky boards have been rules out. Confirmed earlier here.

Yes, including some DE to an Eldar army would give the Eldar more variety and flexibility.

As a GK player I'm happy that it's not just my army that got shafted in 7th.

 Sir Arun wrote:
As a GK player I'm happy that it's not just my army that got shafted in 7th.

I wouldn't say shafted.
The armies got streamlined. Changes are mostly uninspired.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
As a GK player I'm happy that it's not just my army that got shafted in 7th.

I wouldn't say shafted.
The armies got streamlined. Changes are mostly uninspired.

Not talking about the streamlined special rules (which is good) but that DE lost quite a few ICs and several units took a nerf. Is the new bomber really that powerful to make up for it?

are there any ap2 CC options for succubi?

Either im missing something or you can't take flicker field for any veichle.

Whelp judging from what's been said my favorite army got pretty well nerfed or blandified. I feel bad as I was hoping Dark Eldar would spark me into 40k again, I haven't been interested in the new edition.

Losing our special characters over the GW / chapterhouse butt-hurt irks me. As a fantasy player only THREE of my dark elf special characters have models that are still in production yet I have eight total. Two of which have never had a model made.

Did they get anything new, new units or wargear? All I hear is how much was taken away & that they don't have many solo builds. Which sucks as I refuse to use allies with DE, it doesn't make sense to me, nobody would trust those bastards.

Does any unit in the codex have skyfire or interceptor? Just wondering what DE are supposed to do about flyers as it appears that neither of our two flyers are actually going to make very good dogfighters,

Kronboss89 wrote:
are there any ap2 CC options for succubi?

yup, basically a Klaive by another name. +1 str double handed


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 Jayden63 wrote:
Does any unit in the codex have skyfire or interceptor? Just wondering what DE are supposed to do about flyers as it appears that neither of our two flyers are actually going to make very good dogfighters,

the flyers can choose to have skyfire. Thats it


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 Shas'O Dorian wrote:


Did they get anything new, new units or wargear? All I hear is how much was taken away & that they don't have many solo builds. Which sucks as I refuse to use allies with DE, it doesn't make sense to me, nobody would trust those bastards.

The only thing new is are two new weapon choices. One for wracks, that seems pretty cool(existed in 3rd as an HQ weapon) and the other for Void Raven Bombers that is basically a plasma cannon.

No new units

Some wargear, relics and such. Bunch of terrify like powers that do not work against fearless or ATSKNF units....


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 salix_fatuus wrote:
Either im missing something or you can't take flicker field for any veichle.

Venoms have it stock as usual. No other unit can take them


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 Creeping Dementia wrote:
It's a little funny that one of the best things about the new DE is that they make craftworld Eldar better...

yup, DE are a new supplement for CWE


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Hollismason wrote:
Yeah if it just gives any unit he is with Deep strike regardless of whether they have a transport or not that's pretty much insta death.

You're not regardless of what you shot at them going to wipe out a 10 man Wraithguard in one go with interceptor.

10 man seems excessive. WWP are not relics, so you could take 2 of them and 2 units of wraith guard and get 2 targets.

 Creeping Dementia wrote:
It's a little funny that one of the best things about the new DE is that they make craftworld Eldar better...

How so? They lost beastpack and Baron, which was pretty much all they had to offer, anyway. Unless you mean better in the sense of a better choice overall.

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

 Creeping Dementia wrote:
It's a little funny that one of the best things about the new DE is that they make craftworld Eldar better...

How so? They lost beastpack and Baron, which was pretty much all they had to offer, anyway. Unless you mean better in the sense of a better choice overall.

they removed those, but added other things that could be nice for Eldar at least to play around with. Less wave serpants are less wave serpents, but if the CWE player isnt WAAC there are a bunch of options that can be fun.

bunch of items that reduce the enemy's leadership that make telepathy much better

cheap open topped transports to DS firedragons

scatter free DS for Scytheguard

Haywirescourges to cheaply glance AV14

So 6th edition had Taudar, 7th edition is gonna have DELdar

 Sir Arun wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
As a GK player I'm happy that it's not just my army that got shafted in 7th.

I wouldn't say shafted.
The armies got streamlined. Changes are mostly uninspired.

Not talking about the streamlined special rules (which is good) but that DE lost quite a few ICs and several units took a nerf. Is the new bomber really that powerful to make up for it?

Streamlined is a nice way of saying "Got plowed by the nerf train and you're next"

Ossifacator a new weapon
New Dark Light weapon called Dark Scythe
PGL does not effect SM

Shaimesh Bade added
Stunclaw has Instant Death but only in challenge
Some weapins has Instant Death due to "lethal dose"

Shardnet does not substract 1 attack from target

Beastmaster unit are going to be INSANE

Grav Talon has concussive

Splinter Cannon still 36"

One has to rethink all the DE shenanigans

Acrchon with WWP Deep Striking with unit can be hilarious

Tactical Objectives for DE seems a bit on the fun side

Not liking the Warlord traits in book

 Ravenous D wrote:

 bocatt wrote:
What is the Dark Eldar Warlord table? Just for curiosity's sake

1: All friendly dark eldar faction models with 12" have fear
2: Reroll seize, night fight, and reserve rolls (would have been Vects if he was in there)
3: Rage
4: Hatred
5: +1 Ws
6: All friendly dark eldar faction models with 12" have fearless

Lol, +1 WS, what a troll WL trait.

Why I am sticking to the one's in the Rule book

 Ravenous D wrote:
Title says it all, avoid fluff questions, I literally just cracked it now,

Power from pain is indeed turn based.

1: Nothing
2: Feel no pain 6+
3: FNP
4: FNP, furious charge
5: FNP, FC, Fearless
6+: FNP, FC, Fearless, Rage

Combat Drugs is still 1 roll for the whole army
1: +1 attack
2: +1 S
3: + 1 I
4. + 1 toughness
5: +1 WS
6: + 1 Ld

Random combat drugs....groan...

And turn by turn book keeping and rules changes...groan...also wtf doubling up WL traits with power from pain?

 TheSilo wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 bocatt wrote:
What is the Dark Eldar Warlord table? Just for curiosity's sake

1: All friendly dark eldar faction models with 12" have fear
2: Reroll seize, night fight, and reserve rolls (would have been Vects if he was in there)
3: Rage
4: Hatred
5: +1 Ws
6: All friendly dark eldar faction models with 12" have fearless

Lol, +1 WS, what a troll WL trait.

Because having all your attacks hit on 3s instead of 4s is so terrible. I think it's a better WL trait than Rage.

The best DE Warlord Trait is obviously no. 2 (but they've not limited DE to only DE Warlord Traits, so feel free to roll on BRB tables )

The Ossefactor Weapon looks quite nasty, take a group of ten Wracks with two Ossefactors in a Raider with Lances and go hunting elite Infantry with AP2 goodness

 TheSilo wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
Title says it all, avoid fluff questions, I literally just cracked it now,

Power from pain is indeed turn based.

1: Nothing
2: Feel no pain 6+
3: FNP
4: FNP, furious charge
5: FNP, FC, Fearless
6+: FNP, FC, Fearless, Rage

Combat Drugs is still 1 roll for the whole army
1: +1 attack
2: +1 S
3: + 1 I
4. + 1 toughness
5: +1 WS
6: + 1 Ld

Random combat drugs....groan...

And turn by turn book keeping and rules changes...groan...also wtf doubling up WL traits with power from pain?

They haven't though. I don't see anything similar between them.
Ah, I see it now. They both have rage. Yeah that is odd.