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Space vampires are silly. Let Baal fall.

Well I suppose its a better outcome than having the conveniently forgotten about blood-thirster striking at Baal at the same time doing Sanguinus's sons in.

Or, what would be awesome would be Lamenters and Flesh Tearers taking out the boss bug while Baal evacuates in a desperate, gloriour last charge!

No,no matter how much i love the nids they shouldn't get Sanguinius' corpse

 ChazSexington wrote:
Or, what would be awesome would be Lamenters and Flesh Tearers taking out the boss bug while Baal evacuates in a desperate, gloriour last charge!

The Lamenters didn't respond to the BA's call,they aren't there

I'm for plot advancement, but a nid invasion of Baal really makes no sense.

Nids are not mindless, and they are not infinite.

They know they need biomass to sustain their campaigns, and that the conquest of a barren fortified spacemarine homeworld would cost far more energy than they could recuperate.

On the 40k wiki, Baal is listed as having a population of 122,000. This is an insignificant number,

I think it would be far more likely that the nids would destroy any naval presence in the region, envelop the system, destroy any population centres, and then starve out the defenders of baal.

Unless there's something about Baal we don't know about...

I'm no expert on tyranids or psykers but is there any chance they could be attracted to mephiston's unusually strong psychic abilities?

unless they rellise the Baal is a defensive linchpin to the system, its loss would cripple the main defenders ability to wage a campaign with the loss of its production and docks.

Or they know they can get Primarch DNA and that's what they want.

I'd rather that Leviathan takes Baal but just ignores it as there isn't much there. Maybe add that the Fortress Monastery is sealed.

Taffy17 wrote:
I'm no expert on tyranids or psykers but is there any chance they could be attracted to mephiston's unusually strong psychic abilities?

They could be, but Mephiston's too busy running around the galaxy playing super-hero to ever be on Baal long enough to act as a nid-beacon.

 jhe90 wrote:
unless they rellise the Baal is a defensive linchpin to the system, its loss would cripple the main defenders ability to wage a campaign with the loss of its production and docks.

The thing is though, it is not a major production centre. It has the capability to keep 1000 marines supplied and armed, possibly a few thousand more (being a special first founding chapter and all), however it has nothing on the production capability of a forgeworld for example.

Production capabilities aside, there are simply too few people on baal to effectively contribute to a war effort.To put Baal's population into perspective, Baal, (and possibly its two moons as well, the wiki is unclear) has 122,000 people, Iceland has a population 330,000.
Iceland has more than double the population of Baal.

Due to its desert environment, Baal would be unlikely to support any large number of refugees, so this number would not be likely to increase.

Trying to get the primarchs DNA would be be done with lictors and genestealers (no pun intended) imo. The bloodangels would destroy themselves before letting their primarch's body be captured after a war of attrition.

Baal has relatively low bio-mass, it doesn't make much sense for the Tyranids to target it. It seems more likely for them to just eat the Shield Worlds and move on to other, more tasty, planets.

Can the tyrnids eat daemon biomass or does the trynids made of it just dissolve or do ,cause psychic, keep it so daemons and csm fight nids on baal and ba watch. Nids attracted by huge biomass and psychic beacon of chaos forces.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Can the tyrnids eat daemon biomass or does the trynids made of it just dissolve or do ,cause psychic, keep it so daemons and csm fight nids on baal and ba watch. Nids attracted by huge biomass and psychic beacon of chaos forces.

Daemons don't actually have physical forms so they don't have biomass. They aren't viewed as prey just as rival predators.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Can the tyrnids eat daemon biomass or does the trynids made of it just dissolve or do ,cause psychic, keep it so daemons and csm fight nids on baal and ba watch. Nids attracted by huge biomass and psychic beacon of chaos forces.

Daemons don't have any biomass at all. When they die, they vanish back into the warp. And will return later, since daemons are actually immortal.

 Big Blind Bill wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
unless they rellise the Baal is a defensive linchpin to the system, its loss would cripple the main defenders ability to wage a campaign with the loss of its production and docks.

The thing is though, it is not a major production centre. It has the capability to keep 1000 marines supplied and armed, possibly a few thousand more (being a special first founding chapter and all), however it has nothing on the production capability of a forgeworld for example.

Production capabilities aside, there are simply too few people on baal to effectively contribute to a war effort.To put Baal's population into perspective, Baal, (and possibly its two moons as well, the wiki is unclear) has 122,000 people, Iceland has a population 330,000.
Iceland has more than double the population of Baal.

Due to its desert environment, Baal would be unlikely to support any large number of refugees, so this number would not be likely to increase.

Trying to get the primarchs DNA would be be done with lictors and genestealers (no pun intended) imo. The bloodangels would destroy themselves before letting their primarch's body be captured after a war of attrition.

True but the loss of there main fortreess and all its vast armoury and stores.
Yes there is battle barges but they will have ernoygh ammo down there to last for years. Weapons, spares and the greatest treasure, gene seed.

And primarch DNA tyranids, scary and very dangerous.

If - IF - the Blood Angels were destroyed, I'd rather the Tyranids do it.

Orks are fine, but something of a generic "heel" force, and Chaos - I'd rather not turn this into "X faction is terrible" "its better than Y faction!" - but I find 40Khaos extremely unappealing. I find "evil counterparts" of stuff the good guys have boring.

 Jinx Magiga wrote:

The Lamenters didn't respond to the BA's call,they aren't there

Hopefully they arrive anyway; Space Marine/Titan Legions had Scythes of the Emperor (who shared the Lamenters' fates) being to Tyranids what Grey Knights were to Daemons. Giving Lamenters rules like that could be interesting.

According to Lexicanum, Baal and it's moons (specially the moons) were capable of suporting life and had rich biospheres.

That ended because a nuclear war, but all the minerals, water and stuff necessary for life is still there. Leviathan can take this raw resources and turn them in more biomass.

Baal must for fall for the great gods!!

If the Tyranids eat it, then it won't be there to fall for Chaos.

 PhillyT wrote:
Space vampires are silly. Let Baal fall.

But they were never supposed to be space vampires! Read between the lines man, read between the fething lines! The whole sleeping in their sarcophagus bull was introduced by the mat ward dex. There were always hints that they drunk the blood of their enemies while gripped with the red thirst but never any suggestions of Dracula in space behaviour.

I voted no purely because it's already been done, the Crimson Fists have had this happen on Rinns world and we know how it plays out. GW need to stop being so lame and tacky, while tragic heroes are interesting sometimes GW seem to think no one is allowed to be bad ass for the sake of it. More angst people, there's not enough angst here! Why not have all the space marines crying in their bedrooms listening to depressing music because the sisters of battle went out on a date with a hive ganger?

Everyone's known they're Space Vampires for years, Trog.

The whole Rennaisance artiness is wrapped up in it as well. The Red Thirst is why they're Vampires, and giving into Bloodlust. It's got nothing to do with sleeping in coffins or any of that gak, it's all to do with them being pre-revolution French Nobles.

Its probably the only chapter theyre slowly advancing the fluff on over the editions. Explains the sisters being there, Complaining to Dante about the flesh tearers, The storm troopers, well theyre everywhere these days, Inquisitors, keeping a eye on the angels.

DA still running round chasing ghosts, The Fists who were busy holding onto the phalanx and hammering stuff last i heard. Ultras still doing whatever it is ultras do

Sanctus campaign if they advanced that, Tau would be gone, how about we further the time line starting there. That would piss a few people off.
Will Baal get eaten, prolly not, Its not worth the nids effort. Its what KaBandha is getting up to that interests me. A unexpected ally perhaps

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Everyone's known they're Space Vampires for years, Trog.

The whole Rennaisance artiness is wrapped up in it as well. The Red Thirst is why they're Vampires, and giving into Bloodlust. It's got nothing to do with sleeping in coffins or any of that gak, it's all to do with them being pre-revolution French Nobles.

Yeah I said in my post it was hinted at, it was relatively subtle. Nowadays it's beat you over the head with a bat and crucifix screaming "I vant to sahck your blahd" in a heavy Transylvanian accent.

the ancient wrote:
The storm troopers, well theyre everywhere these days

Speaking of this I miss the IG regiments. I like the storm troopers, I really do, but they're just everywhere now. Have some variety because that's what makes the IG fun.

I say don't eat Baal but attempt to eat the primarch which is what the nids were really after. (Yum hyper evolved DNA) Wile the sheild worlds are beeing assulted a force of Lictors, Genestealers, and a specially evolved Tyrant(like Deathleaper only tougher) goes for the prize and are thwarted at the last moment by some superhuman heroics by "insert Blood Angels Hero here" but not before the nids get a taist of him or his blood.


PS: Afterwards you can have some new nids rumored to have feathered wings and an insatiable thurst for blood

 Otto Weston wrote:
Thing is, the Ultramarines shouldn't have been able to hold of those nids either.... which is why I prefer to believe they actually fell and everything we've been told after that event are just the hallucinations of a dying Ultramarine being digested on Maccrage

The truth is much, much more sinister than that.

Tyranno wrote:
If - IF - the Blood Angels were destroyed, I'd rather the Tyranids do it.

Orks are fine, but something of a generic "heel" force, and Chaos - I'd rather not turn this into "X faction is terrible" "its better than Y faction!" - but I find 40Khaos extremely unappealing. I find "evil counterparts" of stuff the good guys have boring.

 Jinx Magiga wrote:

The Lamenters didn't respond to the BA's call,they aren't there

Hopefully they arrive anyway; Space Marine/Titan Legions had Scythes of the Emperor (who shared the Lamenters' fates) being to Tyranids what Grey Knights were to Daemons. Giving Lamenters rules like that could be interesting.

I'd rather have them die banishing Kha'Banda, besides the Black Legion he is the most hated foe of the blood angels.

 Otto Weston wrote:

 John Rainbow wrote:
No they shouldn't. I would prefer the BA and their successors to kick some 'nid butt - there is enough of them back there after all. If the Ultra's 1st Co. can hold off an entire swarm then I imagine that the combined might of at least 5 or 6 (if not more) chapters can kill off the nids.

Thing is, the Ultramarines shouldn't have been able to hold of those nids either.... which is why I prefer to believe they actually fell and everything we've been told after that event are just the hallucinations of a dying Ultramarine being digested on Maccrage

The Ultramarines held them off because they're in control of a PDF legion of gaurdsmen larger then numerous regiments rolled into one, and have their own private segmentum fleet under their control.

People always forgets about the guardsmen. Poor guys, they die like flies, yet the Marines get all the glory.