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A lot of threads discussing advancing the story and changing things in the 40k universe and since this is on the horizon I thought I'd throw this out there and see what people thought.

Would you like to see the Tyranids have their first major victory and devour the Blood Angels home world or would you like the Blood Angels to keep their home world and have what might probably be a repeat of Macragge?

Baal is a pretty boring place. Seems like a good candidate for some omnomnom-related plot advancement.

Baal shall not fall on my watch!

OMNOMNOMNOM

I'd like to see the plot move on, but I don't think it's going to happen...

Of course, you can destroy one of Baal's moons without destroying the blood angel's fortress.

I dont think there is much biomass on baal to make it worthwhile for the nids isnt it mostly deserts with a low tech savage nomads

No. Ultimately the Tyranids are too boring to be the ones who destroy Baal.

Yes. Along with Sanguinius's corpse. Watch the Tyranids get a major power boost because of that.

Nah gw would have to move on the time line and that will never happen, to much work they will leave it on a cliff hanger like abandons crusade, that threatens impending doom for mankind but will never reach it.

Considering so much of the Blood Angels had already fallen on the Space Hulk, my answer is yes and no. Yes Baal should fall, but in the sense that it's not a victory for Nids. Instead of it being Macragge part deux, the planet should be evacuated of all Blood Angel things, with the exception of some battle company like 4th or 5th, and then virus bombed. Leviathan takes a bit of a hit, but Baal is dead and the campaign continues like Armageddon but on another world.

When are we gonna have Iron Hands vs Nids?

Maximus Bitch wrote:
When are we gonna have Iron Hands vs Nids?

dude the nids probably have enough Iron in their diet.

No they shouldn't. I would prefer the BA and their successors to kick some 'nid butt - there is enough of them back there after all. If the Ultra's 1st Co. can hold off an entire swarm then I imagine that the combined might of at least 5 or 6 (if not more) chapters can kill off the nids.

 John Rainbow wrote:
No they shouldn't. I would prefer the BA and their successors to kick some 'nid butt - there is enough of them back there after all. If the Ultra's 1st Co. can hold off an entire swarm then I imagine that the combined might of at least 5 or 6 (if not more) chapters can kill off the nids.

Thing is, the Ultramarines shouldn't have been able to hold of those nids either.... which is why I prefer to believe they actually fell and everything we've been told after that event are just the hallucinations of a dying Ultramarine being digested on Maccrage

No, I don't think the 'nids should ever even get to Baal. They should be stopped on the Shield Worlds by the Sacred Heart forces stationed there.

Eh Blood Angels or their successors are always the go to chapters for GW authors to kick around. How about Salamanders instead? Their world of low bio-mass and high danger would be more interesting.

 Otto Weston wrote:

 John Rainbow wrote:
No they shouldn't. I would prefer the BA and their successors to kick some 'nid butt - there is enough of them back there after all. If the Ultra's 1st Co. can hold off an entire swarm then I imagine that the combined might of at least 5 or 6 (if not more) chapters can kill off the nids.

Thing is, the Ultramarines shouldn't have been able to hold of those nids either.... which is why I prefer to believe they actually fell and everything we've been told after that event are just the hallucinations of a dying Ultramarine being digested on Maccrage

Rather than a dying marines hallucination, how about its just IOM propaganda? Telling people a few marines died to stop a Nid swarm sounds heroic and is probably good for morale, but letting it slip out that Maccrage is now a barren nothingness after the Nids were finished with it would be extremely negative news. Politicians are happy to bury their heads in the sand / cover things up in our time, why not the same in 38k years time?

It certainly would make the game background a bit more interesting and add some more depth to the Blood Angels, having to gather the survivors out to rebuild and then go out on their quest to vanquish the beast and recover their home.

As for the Ultramarines, don't forget that they had untold tens of millions of Ultramar Auxilia (Ultramar's equivalent of the Imperial Guard since they're special and all) and whatnot with them under Calgar's role as the Lord Commander of the realm of Ultramar (which would seem to violate the Codex Astartes and the reason for the breakup of the SM Legions and split of the Imperial Army from SM command, but...) along with Titan Legion support and the Imperial Navy.

I am in favor of Baal falling, with the Blood Angels pulling off a retreat or evacuation. Partly so this isn't just Macragge Part Two, this time in Red instead of Blue. Partly because it would be more interesting to explore how Space Marines cope with defeat and loss, rather than the boring stereotypical save the day at the last moment template.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
No, I don't think the 'nids should ever even get to Baal. They should be stopped on the Shield Worlds by the Sacred Heart forces stationed there.

that's my gut feeling too. the 'nids will proably be deflected away from Baal with the shield worlds serving their purpose, however perhaps as a result the hive fleet will be deflected towards hitting a more vunerable target in the future.

"well the good news, Baal is safe" "Yay!" "the bad news is it's now going to head to Ophelia VII" "D'OH"

 Vaktathi wrote:
It certainly would make the game background a bit more interesting and add some more depth to the Blood Angels, having to gather the survivors out to rebuild and then go out on their quest to vanquish the beast and recover their home.

As for the Ultramarines, don't forget that they had untold tens of millions of Ultramar Auxilia (Ultramar's equivalent of the Imperial Guard since they're special and all) and whatnot with them under Calgar's role as the Lord Commander of the realm of Ultramar (which would seem to violate the Codex Astartes and the reason for the breakup of the SM Legions and split of the Imperial Army from SM command, but...) along with Titan Legion support and the Imperial Navy.

Yeah, people forget that the Ultramarines probably control the largest force among Space Marines because they have such a huge fleet and PDF to draw from. The Space Marines get all the glory but it was probably the thousands upon thousands of regular human soldiers that helped stem the tide of Behemoth.

Not to mention most of it was destroyed in spess, not on Macragge.

I'm a Blood Angel player so I don't really want to see their home world destroyed however I am also very much in favour of advancing the story line so if a few shield worlds need to be destroyed so be it.

Just thinking of the possibilities of what could happen, they could have The Blood Angels reform as a legion calling upon all the chapters to their side in the hour of need.

OH GOD Flyrants with Angel wings

Losing their planet didn't hurt the Dark Angels did it? I say yes, eat Baal

Perhaps Baal is saved by the Necrons


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hence the "misprinted" 6th ed ally matrix

10/10 would nom, read, play and etc

 PastelAvenger wrote:
I'm a Blood Angel player so I don't really want to see their home world destroyed however I am also very much in favour of advancing the story line so if a few shield worlds need to be destroyed so be it.

Just thinking of the possibilities of what could happen, they could have The Blood Angels reform as a legion calling upon all the chapters to their side in the hour of need.

that would be a pretty epic event, that has my vote as well

Eat baal!!! Then when the mashed and demorilized remanents try to get it together the bloodthirster and friends turn up and subvert them all to khorne where they belong.

though it will turn into maggrage mk2.(probably).

 sarpedons-right-hand wrote:
Losing their planet didn't hurt the Dark Angels did it?

the dark angels are STILL basicly suffering PTSD from it.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
No, I don't think the 'nids should ever even get to Baal. They should be stopped on the Shield Worlds by the Sacred Heart forces stationed there.

that's my gut feeling too. the 'nids will proably be deflected away from Baal with the shield worlds serving their purpose, however perhaps as a result the hive fleet will be deflected towards hitting a more vunerable target in the future.

"well the good news, Baal is safe" "Yay!" "the bad news is it's now going to head to Ophelia VII" "D'OH"

Thinking about it, Baal only makes sense as a target from an Imperial point of view.

What if the Shieldworlds are the 'nids' actual target, what with being environmentally strange but livable planets?