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 Jihadin wrote:
Teen getting killed over a pair of Nike's is not new news in the US of A

Yeah, getting shot over Jordans sort of brings back memories for me.

Feel bad for the parents. But the kid was an idiot and got his Darwin award.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

Relapse wrote:
My question is, where is the community outrage over the elements that came together to make it worth a black teen to threaten murder and in turn be shot over a frikkin' pair of shoes?
Why aren't there protestors even at this moment decrying this waste of human life, or does there have have to be a cop involved as the catylist?

The guys could have given their shoes to the promising young athlete who was robbing them.

'Hands Up! give them your possessions!'

is that what you wanted? 'Cause that is what will happen!

Neither scenario is what I wanted. If there was the outrage over this as someone getting killed pulling a gun at a cop, maybe this kind of event would die out.

Relapse wrote:
My question is, where is the community outrage over the elements that came together to make it worth a black teen to threaten murder and in turn be shot over a frikkin' pair of shoes?

Shoes are a valuable commodity.

Relapse wrote:

Why aren't there protestors even at this moment decrying this waste of human life, or does there have have to be a cop involved as the catylist?

Because the issues are separate. You know this. A protest regarding police behavior is not the same as one regarding public behavior.

If that's the case the police are better off allowing a member of the public carrying a concealed weapon to deal with a situation than they are themselves.

When a policeman shoots someone pulling a fake gun on him it's all accusations about how he should have known it wasn't real and given the boy more time. When a member of the public does so it's 'yeah that's justice' and they're excused from scrutiny. This is further despite the way that I've heard the pro-ccw arguments that members of the pubic carrying weapons are the sort of people who spend a lot more time using and training with guns than police and are more experienced. If anything, by that argument they should be better placed to call when a gun is and isn't real, oddly enough.

Not that I have an issue with either of the shootings as I understand the facts. You threaten people with guns, they take lethal defensive action. I dispute the way some people call it 'justice' in this case. It's not justice, no process of law was undertaken to determine guilt or circumstances, and in either case we don't execute for robbery. It seems very satisfying to a bloodthirsty few that a robber met his demise as a result of his criminal choices. But it's not justice, I don't think the robber deserved to die, they just did as a consequence of their criminality.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
When a member of the public does so it's 'yeah that's justice' and they're excused from scrutiny.

Tell that to George Zimmerman. No fake gun was involved, but a member of the public most assuredly shot someone and was heavily scrutinized as a result.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

Not that I have an issue with either of the shootings as I understand the facts. You threaten people with guns, they take lethal defensive action. I dispute the way some people call it 'justice' in this case. It's not justice, no process of law was undertaken to determine guilt or circumstances, and in either case we don't execute for robbery. It seems very satisfying to a bloodthirsty few that a robber met his demise as a result of his criminal choices. But it's not justice, I don't think the robber deserved to die, they just did as a consequence of their criminality.

Well said.

This is sadly instep with the times, I'm afraid.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'm glad this turned out the way it did. Hopefully this teaches a lesson to other parasites that would think of stealing.

Sadly, history has proven this will not be the case. New continents were populated with people that stole, many hung from the neck until dead, and presumably there are lots of people walking around in Saudi Arabia with one hand for the crime of melon-theft.

At some point you have to perhaps consider that challenging the socio-economic conditions and education of people that steal in the first case might be the way to go.

 Pacific wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'm glad this turned out the way it did. Hopefully this teaches a lesson to other parasites that would think of stealing.

Sadly, history has proven this will not be the case. New continents were populated with people that stole, many hung from the neck until dead, and presumably there are lots of people walking around in Saudi Arabia with one hand for the crime of melon-theft.

At some point you have to perhaps consider that challenging the socio-economic conditions and education of people that steal in the first case might be the way to go.

Or just face the fact that no matter what, there will always be people out there who covet what others have, and will attempt to steal it, instead of work for it.

Related to this "limited edition shoes" thing, recently we had a big shoe store (part of a big chain of shoe stores) do a bunch of limited edition shoes. I went past the store on three occasions when they were doing this. To a man (or woman, as the crowd was pretty evenly split), the (large) crowd gathered outside were were all Asian. I can't figure that out.


And on-topic: See? Guns solve everything. Free guns for everyone! (/cynicism)

 dogma wrote:
Tell that to George Zimmerman. No fake gun was involved, but a member of the public most assuredly shot someone and was heavily scrutinized as a result.

Yes but he was a "White Latino", whatever that is. That makes it different because of reasons. Or something.

 djones520 wrote:

Or just face the fact that no matter what, there will always be people out there who covet what others have, and will attempt to steal it, instead of work for it.

Theft requires work. Not lawful work, but work nonetheless.

 dogma wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

Or just face the fact that no matter what, there will always be people out there who covet what others have, and will attempt to steal it, instead of work for it.

Theft requires work. Not lawful work, but work nonetheless.

Lets say he did not get opted out and stole the Limited Edition Basketball Shoes. Comes to find out its not his size. So he sells them for a profit. The individual that brought them in turns passes them on to a friend. Ugh to much to think about

 Jihadin wrote:
Teen getting killed over a pair of Nike's is not new news in the US of A

yeah not new the in US of stupid gun laws....

 Da krimson barun wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Teen getting killed over a pair of Nike's is not new news in the US of A

yeah not new the in US of stupid gun laws....

Oh my.....this is a new twist!!

Gun Laws!

wait..................

 Da krimson barun wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Teen getting killed over a pair of Nike's is not new news in the US of A

yeah not new the in US of stupid gun laws....

I agree. We should definitely change some of the stupid gun laws in the US. A CCW license that is accepted nationwide would be a good start.

 Hordini wrote:

 Da krimson barun wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Teen getting killed over a pair of Nike's is not new news in the US of A

yeah not new the in US of stupid gun laws....

I agree. We should definitely change some of the stupid gun laws in the US. A CCW license that is accepted nationwide would be a good start.

That would entail mandatory classes of Deadly Use and Escalation of Force......I LIKE!!!!

 Hordini wrote:
A CCW license that is accepted nationwide would be a good start.

Or perhaps people shouldn't walk around with guns all the time. That's probably a better solution.

Wow, it's like watching two hornet nests trying to poke each other.

On topic, it's a shame this had to end with someone dying.

Miami Township police said a man with a concealed weapon permit fired his gun after he and another man were accosted Saturday morning by three teens on a sidewalk outside the Dayton Mall. Police said one teen had showed a gun.

Can't help "Stupidity"

 rubik'snoob wrote:
This is sadly instep with the times, I'm afraid.

Truly, as a society we've lost our sole.

Ehm... what?

::Sigh:: I guess this line of conversation won't get much traction.

Since he misspelled the first word in his sentence, it leads me to believe that he may also not know how "soul" is spelled, which leads me to further believe that the use of a shoe pun in its place is coincidental.

No sympathy for the teen.

Verviedi wrote:
No sympathy for the teen.

None from me.

None here, either, unless something shakes out that no weapon was brandished or otherwise no threat to life was made. If it happened as reported, that they approached the people, brandished a weapon and then died? Then, yeah, they asked for that.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
::Sigh:: I guess this line of conversation won't get much traction.

'Tis a sad reality that most people consider shoe puns so pedestrian.

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Verviedi wrote:

 rubik'snoob wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
::Sigh:: I guess this line of conversation won't get much traction.

'Tis a sad reality that most people consider shoe puns so pedestrian.

I suppose that people just don't want to walk all over such a waste of brave ammunition.

I rather not deal with a bunch of dead weight and just go for re-release of shoes

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Hordini wrote:
A CCW license that is accepted nationwide would be a good start.

Or perhaps people shouldn't walk around with guns all the time. That's probably a better solution.

Or perhaps people shouldn't try to commit armed robbery. That's probably an even better solution.