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Total Reaction Traktor Mul...? with the Urugan MRL?

Um, what?


That weapon's probably changed, then.

 Darkjim wrote:
Is anyone else as old-skool as me, in that I would really like all these profiles in a much simpler text format that is easy to print out and thus choose army lists in a pen and paper format rather than on screen? I hope Army 5 will have a 'print simple list' option, but failing that I might well spend some time trying to take a 224 pdf and turn it into a 15 or so page spreadsheet.

Complete opposite. I want them to get Mayanet updated so I can use that. Infinity is such a complex game, I like having a tool that not only builds a list but tracks dead models, Retreat status, LoL, etc.

A few other profiles seem wrong. Particularly HRLs

Gwailos HRL is undercosted and is in fact the cheapest profile
Briscard HRL costs the same as a FO and less than a paramedic
Raiden HRL is crazy cheap compared to other options
Phoenix has dropped about 10 points....



What's going on with HRLs?

 -Loki- wrote:

 Darkjim wrote:
Is anyone else as old-skool as me, in that I would really like all these profiles in a much simpler text format that is easy to print out and thus choose army lists in a pen and paper format rather than on screen? I hope Army 5 will have a 'print simple list' option, but failing that I might well spend some time trying to take a 224 pdf and turn it into a 15 or so page spreadsheet.

Complete opposite. I want them to get Mayanet updated so I can use that. Infinity is such a complex game, I like having a tool that not only builds a list but tracks dead models, Retreat status, LoL, etc.

I really enjoy doing all that stuff on a sheet of A4 too. Am old

 Micky wrote:
A few other profiles seem wrong. Particularly HRLs

Gwailos HRL is undercosted and is in fact the cheapest profile
Briscard HRL costs the same as a FO and less than a paramedic
Raiden HRL is crazy cheap compared to other options
Phoenix has dropped about 10 points....



What's going on with HRLs?

The Sekban HRL dropped a whopping 12pts. Either they felt it was massively overpriced in N2 (I don't see how, it was almost like a sniper rocket) or it's getting a huge overhaul. Maybe losing flame to cut down on the amount of auto kills in the game for Tohaa?

Smart Rocket Launcher on the Chaksa and Light Rocket Launcher on Neema haven't gotten any cheaper, weirdly.

 Darkjim wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Darkjim wrote:
Is anyone else as old-skool as me, in that I would really like all these profiles in a much simpler text format that is easy to print out and thus choose army lists in a pen and paper format rather than on screen? I hope Army 5 will have a 'print simple list' option, but failing that I might well spend some time trying to take a 224 pdf and turn it into a 15 or so page spreadsheet.

Complete opposite. I want them to get Mayanet updated so I can use that. Infinity is such a complex game, I like having a tool that not only builds a list but tracks dead models, Retreat status, LoL, etc.

I really enjoy doing all that stuff on a sheet of A4 too. Am old

I'm not young, but I like using technology. Also my handwriting is turrible.

Urugan Mul only got streamlined. in N2 it had full B value in reactive turn due to special rule. They just made it Total Reaction to keep it in line with other REMs.

And yes, it looks like HRL have some form of balancing coming in to drop their points.

Another point about the Azra'il. They lost 2 points in CC and lost their AP Rifle, Flamethrower, Panzerfaust profile, and picked up a HMG profile. Seems they want them to be Haqqislams big, tough fire support HI.

 -Loki- wrote:
Another point about the Azra'il. They lost 2 points in CC and lost their AP Rifle, Flamethrower, Panzerfaust profile, and picked up a HMG profile. Seems they want them to be Haqqislams big, tough fire support HI.

Yeah, in addition to the S5 you mentioned, they're one of the few HI that remained 4-2 MOV.

It'd be rather awesome if the Azra'il ended up getting reculpts into super-bulky power-lifter power-armor to justify that ARM5 and S5. As it stands, the models look cool, but there isn't much to justify their specialty aside from being Hqqqi HI that use heavy weapons.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Darkjim wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Darkjim wrote:
Is anyone else as old-skool as me, in that I would really like all these profiles in a much simpler text format that is easy to print out and thus choose army lists in a pen and paper format rather than on screen? I hope Army 5 will have a 'print simple list' option, but failing that I might well spend some time trying to take a 224 pdf and turn it into a 15 or so page spreadsheet.

Complete opposite. I want them to get Mayanet updated so I can use that. Infinity is such a complex game, I like having a tool that not only builds a list but tracks dead models, Retreat status, LoL, etc.

I really enjoy doing all that stuff on a sheet of A4 too. Am old

I'm not young, but I like using technology. Also my handwriting is turrible.

Because you don't write enough to improve it? Ah, you kids (kids to me anyway). So lazy. Mine is terrible too, but that is because of medical conditions.

@Darkjim: Extract the pages you need from the PDF for your faction(s). Right now the Haqq PDF-- which I 'extracted'-- is 21 pages including sectorial lists. This is a manageable size, and won't take forever to open on my tablet. If nothing else you can take screenshots of the desired pages in dual page view mode or something.

I want Army5 to have a print to PDF or Print to file function. Army4 can do it now if I use the Chromium browser. I'd like to see it adopt something that ALEPH toolbox does, which is give the weapon ranges with the unit, rather than in a chart at the end.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Another point about the Azra'il. They lost 2 points in CC and lost their AP Rifle, Flamethrower, Panzerfaust profile, and picked up a HMG profile. Seems they want them to be Haqqislams big, tough fire support HI.

Yeah, in addition to the S5 you mentioned, they're one of the few HI that remained 4-2 MOV.

It'd be rather awesome if the Azra'il ended up getting reculpts into super-bulky power-lifter power-armor to justify that ARM5 and S5. As it stands, the models look cool, but there isn't much to justify their specialty aside from being Hqqqi HI that use heavy weapons.

That is their speciality. Their fluff is essentially 'disgraced Sultinate bodyguards equipped with scary, bulky power armour and big fething guns that wreck your gak at long range'.

Their old rules were faily ordinary. Their power armour was the same ARM value as the light powered armour used by Asawira, and their high CC stat was at odds with their fluff of destroying opponents at long range with heavy firepower. The Fauerbach is a great fluff fit, but the guns medium range also was at odds with long range firepower.

Their new profile screams bulky power armour. The 4-2 MOV and ARM 5 fits right in with the fluff of old, archaic, bulky power armour. The HMG and X-Visor on the Fauerback to increase its threat radius scream long range combat. Dropping the CC stat a bit while increasing the ARM reinforces the idea that they're tough as gak, but not CC units.

The loss of the AP rifle profile hurts though. It was a great profile, the AP rifle made it useful against high ARM infantry, the light flame thrower made it good against groups of low ARM infantry, and the Panzerfaust made it a significant threat to high ARM, multiwound targets like TAGs and HI. It was a real toolkit profile. However, I do admit it did not fit the fluff or the unit specialty of destroying enemies with heavy, long range firepower.

It's very strange that the Ahl Fassed are completely missing, but are in the Generic Haqqislam army list.

 -Loki- wrote:
It's very strange that the Ahl Fassed are completely missing, but are in the Generic Haqqislam army list.

Some things got shuffled where they don't belong.

Ahl Fassed are under the "Dire Foes and Others" heading. They're there alongside Halqa for some reason. You just can't Ctrl+F for them because the header is a picture, not text.
There are other oddities like Achilles being under Campaign: Paradiso. It's not a big deal, but I missed both entries the first time I looked through the pdf.

It seems that the Ahl Fassed & Halqa are in this chapter as they should be a major part of one of the coming sectorials
Same for Kamau in PanO for instance

Just noticed that Aridna seems to have gotten a big price drop. The 300 points starter army from the website is now 268...
That lets you include Uxia Mcneill for 28 points, which makes me happy

Caledonian highlander shall be reviewed over the weekend to see whats changed for my lads and lassies.

Debating using works printer for non work purposes or buy ALL THE INK and print it at home, then use works laminator for front covers and ring bind the thing.

Hmmm

 -Loki- wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
Haqqi Azrail got a noticeable buff. They're now ARM 5.

They're also S5 (same as the Sogorat), but the current miniature is smaller than the new Jannisary at S2.

I'm expecting new models on 40mm bases in 'archaic' powered armour. Big and scary looking.

Some speculation that I've seen is that the existing models are going to be given a new lease of life as Ahl Fassed profiles. Which would make sense, since that unit has only the one (somewhat strange looking) model with Boarding Shotgun at the moment. I own the Ahl Fassed model, and have found it to be a useful bargain HI at times, but that could be an easy way to give the unit the rest of its profile options.


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 Rick_1138 wrote:
Caledonian highlander shall be reviewed over the weekend to see whats changed for my lads and lassies.

Debating using works printer for non work purposes or buy ALL THE INK and print it at home, then use works laminator for front covers and ring bind the thing.

Hmmm

I'd wait before doing any colour and laminated printing, at least until the bugs and typos get ironed out.

 Darkjim wrote:
Really great to see all the new profiles out, though it seems clear from the official forums a few typos will need correcting. Also nice to see some of my chosen models such as Crane, Pheasant and Sekban have got a bit of a boost.

Is anyone else as old-skool as me, in that I would really like all these profiles in a much simpler text format that is easy to print out and thus choose army lists in a pen and paper format rather than on screen? I hope Army 5 will have a 'print simple list' option, but failing that I might well spend some time trying to take a 224 pdf and turn it into a 15 or so page spreadsheet.

If army list doesn't maybe Aleph Toolbox or the Iphone app may be able to export into a simpler format for you. At least Army 5 will be in HTML5 so my Android phone can finally use it.


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Tohaa barely saw any changes (expected since they are new) just a few points here and there, but that Boarding team is WOW.

 Charles Rampant wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
Haqqi Azrail got a noticeable buff. They're now ARM 5.

They're also S5 (same as the Sogorat), but the current miniature is smaller than the new Jannisary at S2.

I'm expecting new models on 40mm bases in 'archaic' powered armour. Big and scary looking.

Some speculation that I've seen is that the existing models are going to be given a new lease of life as Ahl Fassed profiles. Which would make sense, since that unit has only the one (somewhat strange looking) model with Boarding Shotgun at the moment. I own the Ahl Fassed model, and have found it to be a useful bargain HI at times, but that could be an easy way to give the unit the rest of its profile options.

It's a nice idea but one of the two models - the Fauerbach - doesn't have a profile as an Ahl Fassed. The closest is the HMG but that has a pretty distinctive new design for Haqqislam. I'm sure people will proxy them as Ahl Fassed, but I can't see anything official coming from it.

So do you think that those models are basically just being ejected from the game line? I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised, considering that they have killed off an entire race for the Combined Army!

Overall, I'm not upset at removing old, outdated, or unbalanced stuff in theory. However, like GW, they just discontinued models that people paid a premium on, without providing any recourse for them to continue using them. A simple list of "counts as" would have solved most issues.

Nothing whatsoever to stop you using them outside of the ITS setting.

Certainly, if someone I knew wanted to have a go with an Exrah list and Caskuda, I wouldn't say no. It's not like there has been such a radical overhaul that the force would now be incompatible.

Ahl Fassad were a dumb unit, since they were effectively identical to the Jannisaries but non-religious. They should have been heavily reworked, just like how the boring and bland Yu Jing Invincibles got seperated from the Shang Ji by having cheap mass produced armor be a thing, and since old Wu Ming took that role.

 Pacific wrote:
Nothing whatsoever to stop you using them outside of the ITS setting.

Certainly, if someone I knew wanted to have a go with an Exrah list and Caskuda, I wouldn't say no. It's not like there has been such a radical overhaul that the force would now be incompatible.

Players can always do their own thing, that's always assumed to the point where it's not even worth mentioning.

But the stores that still have boxes and blisters in stock, as well as players who have these expensive miniatures in their collections deserve better from the corporate business entities that these are. So little effort has to be expended to give such stores and players the minimum amount of recourse, that seeing these companies adhere to outdated GW-like practices is just silly. Pointing out that they do some other consumer friendly things like posting PDFs free online only serves to put these outdated practices they still do as even sillier.

And I'm making my own game, I know how hard it is to make these decisions. With Exrah, CB ran into the known issue where non-humanoid stuff have problems getting an immediate audience. Add to that the poorer quality and design of the sculpts. But, all that is the fault of CB, not the players that did or didn't buy them.

In other cases, they've shifted around units and their places in the meta. A lot of those models that got shifted around are still usable in some form, ITS official.

Has anyone got the problem that the unit stats don't show in the coloured headers for each entry? I mean, only on the downloaded file. The file I open in my browser is complete though, it's only the downloaded version (could it be my pdf viewer?).

On topic, I like the reduced shotgun tax on the ghulam, but the naffatun got a price increase, which seems fair tbh. Together with the 2 point price decrease on the tuareg sniper rifle, it means I can finally make a 150pt. army list I like, without spending those 1-3 points too much. It always bothered me, because in Infinity each point does count.

I've yet to really learn the game, but I hope to do so with N3 and get starting wth my Hassassin asap. The daylami are crazy cheap! with the same stats as ghulam save the WIP.

Something else: what are the greyed out profiles for some guys? Are they included but greyed out to show they are removed?

Which units are greyed out in particular Soulcow?

The problem with the Daylami is that they are irregular, they don't contribute to the order pool in the same way as a Ghulam would.

Agree that it's good the Naffatun have been increased in points, it makes them less of a cert to include compared to how they were.

Just an example, in my downloaded file, joan of arc has 3 entries, and the first and third are grey. Does that mean anything, or would there really be an error in my downloaded file? As I said I don't see stats for units either.

Maybe I should check out the link on the first page, see if it helps.

*Edit: Just installed another reader, the stat thing is fixed now, but some entries are still greyed out. Joan of arc and crusader brethren, or kempei in yu jing for example..

Just an FYI for anyone having issues, this new PDF is VERY sensitive to older readers. An update seems to be helping most people.

The 'greyed out' lines are intended to help I think. To assist in reading or referencing when looking at lines of text in a list format, often times the listed items will have alternating background colors to make it easier to read.

Unfortunately in this case the lighter lines are tough to read because the font color is too light, and the font itself is thin, unlike it's bolded version on the darker lines.

I can't make out the light grey lines at all myself, unless I up the zoom to 150% or more. Once I did that though, it is readable.

Out of interest, is 'smart missile launcher' a new thing? Just saw it in the rules for the Yu Jing Yaokong remotes, don't think I have seen it before.

I assume it is not the same as guided ML?

 Michael Bishop wrote:
The 'greyed out' lines are intended to help I think. To assist in reading or referencing when looking at lines of text in a list format, often times the listed items will have alternating background colors to make it easier to read.

Unfortunately in this case the lighter lines are tough to read because the font color is too light, and the font itself is thin, unlike it's bolded version on the darker lines.

I can't make out the light grey lines at all myself, unless I up the zoom to 150% or more. Once I did that though, it is readable.

I think this is it, yes mine was the same but helps with a bigger zoom (and bigger monitor!)