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I do understand the Carcharodons, they're my favourite chapter. I get that they don't care how impractical their weapons are, all I'm saying is they are a little bit more impractical than normal power claws. Like I said, they're freaking awesome weapons, but they are a little bit silly. But they do suit Tyberos like you say.
   
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Please give an example of something he would need to do on the battlefield with his hands other than kill other people. Battle brothers can either get up themselves or are down for the battle. He doesn't need to manipulate technology with it, he can control all of that from inside the suit. He's not going to pick up a gun to shoot, otherwise he'd have brought it with him. He is a CC terminator, all he does on the battlefield is get up close and personal and kill things.

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 troa wrote:
Please give an example of something he would need to do on the battlefield with his hands other than kill other people. Battle brothers can either get up themselves or are down for the battle. He doesn't need to manipulate technology with it, he can control all of that from inside the suit. He's not going to pick up a gun to shoot, otherwise he'd have brought it with him. He is a CC terminator, all he does on the battlefield is get up close and personal and kill things.


Climb over walls and out of ditches.



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 Furyou Miko wrote:
 troa wrote:
Please give an example of something he would need to do on the battlefield with his hands other than kill other people. Battle brothers can either get up themselves or are down for the battle. He doesn't need to manipulate technology with it, he can control all of that from inside the suit. He's not going to pick up a gun to shoot, otherwise he'd have brought it with him. He is a CC terminator, all he does on the battlefield is get up close and personal and kill things.


Climb over walls and out of ditches.


You're a Terminator. You don't climb over walls, you run through them.

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 Furyou Miko wrote:
 troa wrote:
Please give an example of something he would need to do on the battlefield with his hands other than kill other people. Battle brothers can either get up themselves or are down for the battle. He doesn't need to manipulate technology with it, he can control all of that from inside the suit. He's not going to pick up a gun to shoot, otherwise he'd have brought it with him. He is a CC terminator, all he does on the battlefield is get up close and personal and kill things.


Climb over walls and out of ditches.


This kind of thing, yeah. I'd like to see you guys in a warzone without once using your hands...
   
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It depends on the pattern.

Hunger and Slake aside, there are three broad 'styles' of lightning claw in the model range:

Talon-fashion, like some chaos terminators. These can't be retracted as they are your fingers

'Knuckleduster-fashion, like the terminator assault squad. These could be dropped or put away but again, can't be retracted.

Wolverine-fashion, like wolf claws and some heresy-era models. I can see these being retractable.

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 Wyzilla wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
 troa wrote:
Please give an example of something he would need to do on the battlefield with his hands other than kill other people. Battle brothers can either get up themselves or are down for the battle. He doesn't need to manipulate technology with it, he can control all of that from inside the suit. He's not going to pick up a gun to shoot, otherwise he'd have brought it with him. He is a CC terminator, all he does on the battlefield is get up close and personal and kill things.


Climb over walls and out of ditches.


You're a Terminator. You don't climb over walls, you run through them.


Have fun running through this wall;



Or getting out of this;



without your hands...



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 Deadshot wrote:
The Carcharadons Astra land on your front door, say "Knock Knock Motherf***er!" (In pseudo-space Latin of course) before beating the loving gak clean out of you and your whole army and all your stuff. They fly into a blind rage (shown in rules by giving Carchardons Rage immediately after killing any enemy in CC, way back on 5th where Rage sent you running after the nearest enemy). There is no quarter given, no mercy, none asked. And Tyberos is right in the heart of it, with his fists right in the heart of you and going full on apegak. He's not wasting time picking up guns and swords, or shaking hands with IG Generals at meetings, (not that he'd lower himself to that level either), he's killing things very dead, and afterwards he grabs his boys and his dead and gear and gets out and goes home to kill more gak before his evening supper. He's not interested is using his hands for anything more thay killing.

Let me just climb atop of that small cliff. I can do that even in power armor, with the ladder. Now let me throw peanuts at the Red Wake. OOOOOooooh, look at him destroying the ladder instead of climbing up to murder me! Time to start throwing grox dung at him now!

 
   
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Easy, he calls down orbital bombardment on the wall, then walks over the rubble. I think the trench would be even easier. First off, a TDA wearing space marine would not fit in that trench, but he could step or hop over it. If it is a bigger trench, he could still climb out if he shuts doen the chainsaw palms. His hands are't completly useless. True he can't pick up a bolter, but either could Pappa Smurf, or any chaos terminator with claws. But then again, as said above, why would he need to. He is not alone on the battlefield. He has at least od full company with him, and the offer all the supporting fire he could need. Meanwhile he just walks along, killing what need killing. And nothing says he can't take the field in a LR or Stormraven. But going by Carchardaron tactics he would just teleport down on the inside of the giant wall, well over the trench lines, and he and The Red Brethren then start tearing gak up!

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 Lord Blackscale wrote:
Easy, he calls down orbital bombardment on the wall

Do you mean I just killed him ?
Proof my strategy was splendid.
Being withing grox dung throwing of an orbital bombardment is something you would not like to do even in terminator armor.

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I can't see him having any difficulty forming handholds and biting in to them with those things at all, to be honest.
   
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 Furyou Miko wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
 troa wrote:
Please give an example of something he would need to do on the battlefield with his hands other than kill other people. Battle brothers can either get up themselves or are down for the battle. He doesn't need to manipulate technology with it, he can control all of that from inside the suit. He's not going to pick up a gun to shoot, otherwise he'd have brought it with him. He is a CC terminator, all he does on the battlefield is get up close and personal and kill things.


Climb over walls and out of ditches.


You're a Terminator. You don't climb over walls, you run through them.


Have fun running through this wall;



Or getting out of this;



without your hands...


Then you use your power fists, lightning claws, or chainfists to carve your way out the ground or through the wall.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Deadshot wrote:
The Carcharadons Astra land on your front door, say "Knock Knock Motherf***er!" (In pseudo-space Latin of course) before beating the loving gak clean out of you and your whole army and all your stuff. They fly into a blind rage (shown in rules by giving Carchardons Rage immediately after killing any enemy in CC, way back on 5th where Rage sent you running after the nearest enemy). There is no quarter given, no mercy, none asked. And Tyberos is right in the heart of it, with his fists right in the heart of you and going full on apegak. He's not wasting time picking up guns and swords, or shaking hands with IG Generals at meetings, (not that he'd lower himself to that level either), he's killing things very dead, and afterwards he grabs his boys and his dead and gear and gets out and goes home to kill more gak before his evening supper. He's not interested is using his hands for anything more thay killing.

Let me just climb atop of that small cliff. I can do that even in power armor, with the ladder. Now let me throw peanuts at the Red Wake. OOOOOooooh, look at him destroying the ladder instead of climbing up to murder me! Time to start throwing grox dung at him now!


Especially Carcharadons, but really all Space Marines in general, do not conduct sieges nor fight in trenches. They STEHL RAIHN and teleport right into your fortress and kick the living gak out of you. Tyberos would never deign to hold a trench with his marines. That's what Imperial Guard are for. He teleports inside the walls, and rips them to shreds with his fething chainfists!


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Lord Blackscale wrote:
Easy, he calls down orbital bombardment on the wall

Do you mean I just killed him ?
Proof my strategy was splendid.
Being withing grox dung throwing of an orbital bombardment is something you would not like to do even in terminator armor.


Well depends on the thrower. If you are wearing Power Armour, you are likely able to throw pretty damn far given the high ground like you say you have. And Terminators are quiet capable of withstanding Orbital Bombardment. Im fluff, they can withstand the interior of a Titan's Plasma Reactor (think energy levels enough to power a couple of D weapons alongside the motor, life support and other auxiliary drives of a Warlord Titan). In fluff, Grey Knight Strike Force called in an Orbital Bombardment on their position to kill off the Nids and Daemons about, and their armour protected them.

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 Deadshot wrote:
Especially Carcharadons, but really all Space Marines in general, do not conduct sieges nor fight in trenches. They STEHL RAIHN and teleport right into your fortress and kick the living gak out of you.

Only if I cannot just go climb a nearby hill. Then they would need to go back into a thunderhawk, all the way up to their space ship, to embark into a new drop pod, and then launch the drop pod at the top of the hill.
I sneakily went to another hill in the meantime .
 Deadshot wrote:
If you are wearing Power Armour, you are likely able to throw pretty damn far given the high ground like you say you have.

Grox dung has terrible, terrible aerodynamics. Trust me, I tried!
 Deadshot wrote:
Im fluff, they can withstand the interior of a Titan's Plasma Reactor (think energy levels enough to power a couple of D weapons alongside the motor, life support and other auxiliary drives of a Warlord Titan).

Which is a bit of idiotic stuff.
Do you think that means they are good armor? No. Why? For the same reason this is not a good armor.
Spoiler:

 
   
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Deadshot wrote:
Especially Carcharadons, but really all Space Marines in general, do not conduct sieges nor fight in trenches. They STEHL RAIHN and teleport right into your fortress and kick the living gak out of you.

Only if I cannot just go climb a nearby hill. Then they would need to go back into a thunderhawk, all the way up to their space ship, to embark into a new drop pod, and then launch the drop pod at the top of the hill.
I sneakily went to another hill in the meantime .
 Deadshot wrote:
If you are wearing Power Armour, you are likely able to throw pretty damn far given the high ground like you say you have.

Grox dung has terrible, terrible aerodynamics. Trust me, I tried!
 Deadshot wrote:
Im fluff, they can withstand the interior of a Titan's Plasma Reactor (think energy levels enough to power a couple of D weapons alongside the motor, life support and other auxiliary drives of a Warlord Titan).

Which is a bit of idiotic stuff.
Do you think that means they are good armor? No. Why? For the same reason this is not a good armor.
Spoiler:


There is also a very big difference between standing near lava, and standing near a miniature star dense and hot enough to generate plasma and generate fusion power. There's hot, and then there's twenty million degrees hot.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Deadshot wrote:
Especially Carcharadons, but really all Space Marines in general, do not conduct sieges nor fight in trenches. They STEHL RAIHN and teleport right into your fortress and kick the living gak out of you.

Only if I cannot just go climb a nearby hill. Then they would need to go back into a thunderhawk, all the way up to their space ship, to embark into a new drop pod, and then launch the drop pod at the top of the hill.
I sneakily went to another hill in the meantime .
 Deadshot wrote:
If you are wearing Power Armour, you are likely able to throw pretty damn far given the high ground like you say you have.

Grox dung has terrible, terrible aerodynamics. Trust me, I tried!
 Deadshot wrote:
Im fluff, they can withstand the interior of a Titan's Plasma Reactor (think energy levels enough to power a couple of D weapons alongside the motor, life support and other auxiliary drives of a Warlord Titan).

Which is a bit of idiotic stuff.
Do you think that means they are good armor? No. Why? For the same reason this is not a good armor.
Spoiler:


Just how long do you think you have between the drop pod landing on your best friend, the doors opening and a squad of very angry Assault Terminators charge out to rip your intestines out to climb this hill? They aren't exactly fast, but they stand a good 10 feet tall and weigh like a ton. Between the shock of having a drop pod land next to you, Terminators bearing you down and the Drop Pod mounted stormbolter, you are more likely to die of gakking your innards out than the Hunger and Slake.
Yeah, that does mean TDA is good armour. You realise this stuff is practically indestructible? You also realise that a Plasma Reactor is about as close to a localised star you can use to power a vehicle as you can get? Being in a Plasma Reactor without TDA would be exactly like being in a Star. Very short and very hot. TDA is frequently shown to be capable of withstanding things you wouldn't dream of, like Volcano Cannons and other Destroyer weapons.

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Everyone talks about magnetic anti gravity boots, syntheticmuscles, autosenses, fusion power and sh*t, but the simplest basics nobody thinks off?
You know, it's not rocket sience to implement a coupling system for the fist weapons that the marine can open/close to drop and reequip them themself in case it is needed...

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 Deadshot wrote:
Just how long do you think you have between the drop pod

Getting shot down by DCA, and the occupants making a nice crater on the floor?
 Deadshot wrote:
They aren't exactly fast

Yeah, precisely.
 Deadshot wrote:
Yeah, that does mean TDA is good armour.

No, that means it is a very good protection against something that is not a weapon. Just like real-life lava suits are very good at making you able to stay alive near lava… but totally suck at stopping bullet.
 Deadshot wrote:
TDA is frequently shown to be capable of withstanding things you wouldn't dream of, like Volcano Cannons and other Destroyer weapons.

Yeah, but it will be open pretty easily by genestealers and stuff. It all boils down to how much plot armor the author is willing to give the terminators .

 
   
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Yeah, but it will be open pretty easily by genestealers and stuff. It all boils down to how much plot armor the author is willing to give the terminators .


Really? 50 BA Terminators cleansed a huge Space Hulk of many thousands of Genestealers alone, and lived to tell the tale. This is from the fluff of the latest SH game.

Given the claustrophobic corridors that favour the Genestealers, this speaks a lot for how the power balance really looks.

Imagine that you’re sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don’t get any. So you say “I should get my fair share.” And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, “everyone should get their fair share.” Now, that’s a wonderful sentiment — indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad’s smart-!@# comment just dismissed you and didn’t solve the problem that you still haven’t gotten any!

The problem is that the statement “I should get my fair share” had an implicit “too” at the end: “I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else.” But your dad’s response treated your statement as though you meant “only I should get my fair share”, which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that “everyone should get their fair share,” while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.

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 Ashiraya wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Yeah, but it will be open pretty easily by genestealers and stuff. It all boils down to how much plot armor the author is willing to give the terminators .


Really? 50 BA Terminators cleansed a huge Space Hulk of many thousands of Genestealers alone, and lived to tell the tale. This is from the fluff of the latest SH game.

Given the claustrophobic corridors that favour the Genestealers, this speaks a lot for how the power balance really looks.


I thought it was a 100 Blood Angel Terminators who got killed down to a single squad.

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 Wyzilla wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Yeah, but it will be open pretty easily by genestealers and stuff. It all boils down to how much plot armor the author is willing to give the terminators .


Really? 50 BA Terminators cleansed a huge Space Hulk of many thousands of Genestealers alone, and lived to tell the tale. This is from the fluff of the latest SH game.

Given the claustrophobic corridors that favour the Genestealers, this speaks a lot for how the power balance really looks.


I thought it was a 100 Blood Angel Terminators who got killed down to a single squad.



Either way, 100 vs 5000+ with 10 surviving.. That's a pretty insane kill ratio. They must be doing something right.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Deadshot wrote:
Just how long do you think you have between the drop pod

Getting shot down by DCA, and the occupants making a nice crater on the floor?


Drop Pods are cited on many, many, many occassions to move too fast to shoot down via targetting. They are fired at a planet. Combined the "muzzle velocity" if you like, with the gravity of the planet and you get something moving pretty damn fast. Drop Pods get shot down in fluff, but notice that in almost every case, its due to a random lucky hit that wasn't specifically aiming at them.

 Deadshot wrote:
They aren't exactly fast

Yeah, precisely.


Stop cherry picking. I went on to state how they have momentum and surprise. Also note that "Not fast" =/= "Slow." An 18 wheeler, 3 ton lorry is slow, but only in comparison to the smaller, lighter brethren (6 wheelers and moving vans). If you have to run away from it coming straight at you, you are going to die. Not give it 9 friends, smashing into the ground beside you and armed with a stormbolter and powerfist and you can't hurt it.


 Deadshot wrote:
Yeah, that does mean TDA is good armour.

No, that means it is a very good protection against something that is not a weapon. Just like real-life lava suits are very good at making you able to stay alive near lava… but totally suck at stopping bullet.


Except that Plasma Reactors are move destructive than any battlefield weapon? Did you miss the part where myself and others have said its a miniature fething star? Did you also miss the part where Terminator armour was designed to be able to survive that? Did you miss the part where it can tank Orbital Bombardments in the fluff? Did you also miss the part where it is the singular best armour in the 40k universe? Or how about the part where its made of layers upon layers of adamantium?


 Deadshot wrote:
TDA is frequently shown to be capable of withstanding things you wouldn't dream of, like Volcano Cannons and other Destroyer weapons.

Yeah, but it will be open pretty easily by genestealers and stuff. It all boils down to how much plot armor the author is willing to give the terminators .


Genestealers being designed from a genetic level to be able to open up Terminators and other things like them? Sure, fair enough, they can kill Terminators. Traditionally though, they go for weak points like arm joints and disable them before going in for the kill. Grots can do that. What Genestealers can't do is one-shot Titans (Volcano Cannon), which Terminators can tank. And oh yeah, as others mentioned, that 50:1 K/D ratio! Bah, how crap are Terminators eh?

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 Wyzilla wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Yeah, but it will be open pretty easily by genestealers and stuff. It all boils down to how much plot armor the author is willing to give the terminators .


Really? 50 BA Terminators cleansed a huge Space Hulk of many thousands of Genestealers alone, and lived to tell the tale. This is from the fluff of the latest SH game.

Given the claustrophobic corridors that favour the Genestealers, this speaks a lot for how the power balance really looks.


I thought it was a 100 Blood Angel Terminators who got killed down to a single squad.


No, that was a separate event.

Edit: Turns out it was just above 80.

The space marine force, consisting of over eighty veterans in Terminator Armour, managed to not only cleanse the hulk of thousands of genestealers, but also recovered an ancient Blood Angels artifact in the process.


It was also a pretty darn big hulk. Compare to a Strike Cruiser:

Spoiler:

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Imagine that you’re sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don’t get any. So you say “I should get my fair share.” And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, “everyone should get their fair share.” Now, that’s a wonderful sentiment — indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad’s smart-!@# comment just dismissed you and didn’t solve the problem that you still haven’t gotten any!

The problem is that the statement “I should get my fair share” had an implicit “too” at the end: “I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else.” But your dad’s response treated your statement as though you meant “only I should get my fair share”, which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that “everyone should get their fair share,” while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.

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They didn't kill all of the genestealers in actual combat though, the vast majority were killed by toxic gas.
   
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Almost literally in the Phantom Zone.

Where is that in the book?

I can only find that ~80 Terminators cleansed the hulk of ~40,000 Genestealers, but not any mentions of a toxic gas being involved. Did I miss anything?

Edit: Wait, are you referring to the novel or the game book? I am pretty sure that they do not match up very well despite allegedly depicting the same event, much akin to Dawn of War II and its novel.

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Imagine that you’re sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don’t get any. So you say “I should get my fair share.” And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, “everyone should get their fair share.” Now, that’s a wonderful sentiment — indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad’s smart-!@# comment just dismissed you and didn’t solve the problem that you still haven’t gotten any!

The problem is that the statement “I should get my fair share” had an implicit “too” at the end: “I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else.” But your dad’s response treated your statement as though you meant “only I should get my fair share”, which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that “everyone should get their fair share,” while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.

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 Ashiraya wrote:
Where is that in the book?

I can only find that ~80 Terminators cleansed the hulk of ~40,000 Genestealers, but not any mentions of a toxic gas being involved. Did I miss anything?

Edit: Wait, are you referring to the novel or the game book? I am pretty sure that they do not match up very well despite allegedly depicting the same event, much akin to Dawn of War II and its novel.


It is the novel I am thinking about, but I believe the mission book for the game does have a mission where you set up and/or defend the toxic gas canisters.

EDIT: Yup. just checked my mission book and the toxic gas canisters are mentioned prominently.

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 Deadshot wrote:
I went on to state how they have momentum and surprise.

Yeah, so? If there were people down the cliff and people up the cliff? Are you just being obtuse for trying to be obtuse, Being unable to climb a ladder is quite a big drawback for using such a weapon.
 Deadshot wrote:
Except that Plasma Reactors are move destructive than any battlefield weapon?

This is, again, stupid. You cannot rate things simply on a “more destructive/less destructive” scale, and then match them against a “more protective/less protective” scale. Some armor can protect you extremely well against some stuff and not at all against other stuff. Hence my example of an outfit that protects very well against something that is not a weapon, and not at all against something that is a weapon. Trust me, standing too close to lava will kill you if you are wearing a bulletproof vest rather than a lava suit. And, similarly, the lava suit will not protect you against bullets.
 Deadshot wrote:
Did you miss the part where myself and others have said its a miniature fething star? Did you also miss the part where Terminator armour was designed to be able to survive that?

So, it can survive hot. Read just above for an example of how “survive hot” means against bullets .
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Did you also miss the part where it is the singular best armour in the 40k universe?

Uh? Yeah, I missed it. I can name a bunch of better armors. Most of them are tau, but even artificer armor and a rosarius is better.
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Or how about the part where its made of layers upon layers of adamantium?

Oh. It is made of layer upon layer of fictional material, so it must resist fictional orbital bombardment weapons. I would be very impressed by those layers of adamantium, if I was an overenthusiastic fanboy . Then I would certainly not consider being unable to climb a ladder to be impractical!
   
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Terminator armour, you must remember, also comes with the massive layer of plot armour in the novels...

It's pretty damn good armour yeah, but it's not impenetrable. Genestealers open it fairly easily in some sources for example, and in others they survive a Titan stepping on them. It's as inconsistent as everything else in 40k.
   
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 ImAGeek wrote:
Terminator armour, you must remember, also comes with the massive layer of plot armour in the novels...

It's pretty damn good armour yeah, but it's not impenetrable. Genestealers open it fairly easily in some sources for example, and in others they survive a Titan stepping on them. It's as inconsistent as everything else in 40k.


It's certainly the case that PDA aren't impenetrable, yet some survives in extreme conditions - but plot armour? No, at least no for all the termies.

Like you said, in many cases Terminator armours are pretty damn solid, and in others, they get cracked like piggy banks.

But there is also the assumptions that every once in a while, some Genestealers, with their rending claws, got a very good slash on the weak spots on a terminator armour, ripping open the plate; and in some cases, a Titan stepped on a Termie while said Termie was on a ground just soft enough that one can be partially buried in the dirty, and perhaps just enough force was diverted that the armour can handle without being crushed. Sure if a Titan did stepped on a marine in PDA, the marine should have died; but as luck will have it some might live through it by just being in the right place, at the right time.

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Well I will just keep this here in case I lose it.

 
   
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 Ashiraya wrote:
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Yeah, but it will be open pretty easily by genestealers and stuff. It all boils down to how much plot armor the author is willing to give the terminators .


Really? 50 BA Terminators cleansed a huge Space Hulk of many thousands of Genestealers alone, and lived to tell the tale. This is from the fluff of the latest SH game.

Given the claustrophobic corridors that favour the Genestealers, this speaks a lot for how the power balance really looks.


I thought it was a 100 Blood Angel Terminators who got killed down to a single squad.


No, that was a separate event.

Edit: Turns out it was just above 80.

The space marine force, consisting of over eighty veterans in Terminator Armour, managed to not only cleanse the hulk of thousands of genestealers, but also recovered an ancient Blood Angels artifact in the process.


It was also a pretty darn big hulk. Compare to a Strike Cruiser:

Spoiler:


Space Hulks are typically larger then multiple space stations strapped together. Them being planetoid sized isn't that remarkable, but the norm.


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 ImAGeek wrote:
Terminator armour, you must remember, also comes with the massive layer of plot armour in the novels...

It's pretty damn good armour yeah, but it's not impenetrable. Genestealers open it fairly easily in some sources for example, and in others they survive a Titan stepping on them. It's as inconsistent as everything else in 40k.


Genestealer claws cut on the molecular level and make all armor irrelevant. They're capable of simply carving their way into Baneblades, armor is meaningless when fighting Genestealers. This is also why most people constantly scratch their head as to why the hell Termiantors keep getting sent against them.

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