Athiest kills 3 Muslims after condemning all religions *tipping intensifies*

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**sirlynchmob**

How does this make world news?

Oh I get it, finally a atheist does something immoral that everyone can criticize and go "see, they're as bad as the rest of us after all"

If it had been a christian who claimed he was just standing his ground, defending his parking lot from muslims, Craig would already be home and nothing would have been said about it.

I would also like to point out the people in the ISIS thread wanting genocide, it would also include these 3 victims. Who seem like they were really decent people, and other dakkaites claim these victims were supporting terrorists just because they are muslims and read from the same book.

Road rage is nothing new, but how messed up do you have to be to shoot 3 people? How does a parking lot dispute turn into a triple homicide?

At least Craig will be tried and the truth revealed. I also hope that some good can come from this tragedy.

**Da krimson barun**

Atheism is not compatible with the west...

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

curran12 wrote:
Adrenaline is a hell of a chemical. And add in some rage and a weapon and you got one hell of a formula for situations that are over way too quickly and are way too irreversible.

Gun control “discussion” fuel

. Get your bingos, peoples!

**nels1031**

sirlynchmob wrote:
If it had been a christian who claimed he was just standing his ground, defending his parking lot from muslims, Craig would already be home and nothing would have been said about it.

Sure...

**Frazzled**

sirlynchmob wrote:
How does this make world news?

Oh I get it, finally a atheist does something immoral that everyone can criticize and go "see, they're as bad as the rest of us after all"

It makes news because it was three Muslims that were killed at one time. You know like the Jews that were killed in the grocery store. This may or may not have been (un)religiously motivated. If so it falls under hate crime.

If it had been a christian who claimed he was just standing his ground, defending his parking lot from muslims, Craig would already be home and nothing would have been said about it.

Speaking of bigtoted statements....

**easysauce**

Frazzled wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
How does this make world news?

Oh I get it, finally a atheist does something immoral that everyone can criticize and go "see, they're as bad as the rest of us after all"

It makes news because it was three Muslims that were killed at one time. You know like the Jews that were killed in the grocery store. This may or may not have been (un)religiously motivated. If so it falls under hate crime.

If it had been a christian who claimed he was just standing his ground, defending his parking lot from muslims, Craig would already be home and nothing would have been said about it.

Speaking of bigtoted statements....

I know right? its almost like being bigoted against certain factions is ok.....

**whembly**

sirlynchmob wrote:
How does this make world news?

Oh I get it, finally a atheist does something immoral that everyone can criticize and go "see, they're as bad as the rest of us after all"

If it had been a christian who claimed he was just standing his ground, defending his parking lot from muslims, Craig would already be home and nothing would have been said about it.

Oh

no man... if he was a Christian/TeaParty/Right-Winger, it'd be pushed so hard down our throats one EVERY news cycle, that'd the coverages of Michael Brown/Eric Garnder/Travon Martin would pale in comparison.

I would also like to point out the people in the ISIS thread wanting genocide, it would also include these 3 victims. Who seem like they were really decent people, and other dakkaites claim these victims were supporting terrorists just because they are muslims and read from the same book.

Road rage is nothing new, but how messed up do you have to be to shoot 3 people? How does a parking lot dispute turn into a triple homicide?

At least Craig will be tried and the truth revealed. I also hope that some good can come from this tragedy.

He may have been progressive and an atheist. But, it looks more to me, he just had a bad day and *snapped*.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

easysauce wrote:
I know right? its almost like being bigoted against certain factions is ok.....

Poor Christians have it so bad

.

**NuggzTheNinja**

Still waiting for evidence that his being an atheist is what motivated him to kill these people.

**whembly**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Still waiting for evidence that his being an atheist is what motivated him to kill these people.

Seems he has a particular allergies against religion:
http://www.wncn.com/story/28083793/chapel-hill-triple-murder-suspect-says-he-felt-insulted-judged-by-religion

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -
The social media profile of a Chapel Hill man charged with fatally shooting three Muslim American students paints the picture of an outspoken atheist who felt insulted, judged and condemned by religion.

Chapel Hill police officers arrested 46-year-old Craig Stephen Hicks on Tuesday on first-degree murder charges in connection with the deaths of Deah Shaddy Barakat, Yusor Mohammad and Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha.

The three, who were students at UNC and N.C. State, were shot to death at the Finley Forest Condominiums on Summerwalk Circle in Chapel Hill.

A spokesman for Durham Technical Community College said Hicks was an "exemplary student" who was seeking three certificates in paralegal studies. In addition to being a student, his Facebook page also presented a very outspoken atheist, and an ordained atheist minister.

Hicks' profile further indicated he identified with anti-theism, a belief that opposes all forms of religion.

"I give your religion as much respect as your religion gives me," Hicks wrote. "There's nothing complicated about it, and I have every right to insult a religion that goes out of its way to insult, to judge and to condemn me as an inadequate human being -- which your religion does with self-righteous gusto."

He continued, "When it comes to insults, your religion started this, not me. If your religion kept its big mouth shut, so would I. But given that it doesn't, and given the enormous harm that your religion has done in this world, I'd say that I have not only a right, but a duty, to insult it, as does every rational, thinking person on this planet.

"Because the moment that your religion claims any kind of jurisdiction over my experience, you insult me on a level that you can't even begin to comprehend. Even if your beliefs had substance, the arrogance of that would be insult enough. But the fact that they have no substance, and are merely a transparent raft of delusions and lies, magnifies the insult enormously."

Police said the fatal shootings were the results of an ongoing parking dispute between neighbors, however there are also concerns that it may have been a crime motivated by hate. The Chapel Hill Police Department said it is investigating the possibility that the murders were "hate-motivated."

While Hicks' personal comments on Facebook are not directed at the single religion or person, the father of sisters Abu-Salha and Yusor Mohammad said their murders were a "hate crime."

"That's how hate works," Mohammad Abu-Salha told WNCN.

Many of Hicks' Facebook comments promote equality for all and anti-religious support. He also posted a picture of a revolver saying, "Yes, that is 1 pound 5.1 ounces for my loaded 38 revolver, its holster, and five extra rounds in a speedloader."

In addition to attending Durham Tech, Hick's Facebook profile indicated he was employed at Harris Teeter for several years.

Hicks appeared before a judge Wednesday morning in Durham. He was issued no bond and given a public defender.

His next court appearance will be on March 4.

**NuggzTheNinja**

whembly wrote:
NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Still waiting for evidence that his being an atheist is what motivated him to kill these people.

Seems he has a particular allergies against religion:
http://www.wncn.com/story/28083793/chapel-hill-triple-murder-suspect-says-he-felt-insulted-judged-by-religion

Everyone is posting the same thing, but I'm not seeing anywhere where this constitutes a motive. If we have a guy who is an Eagles fan and he shoots a Cowboys fan over a parking space, is that guy waging a jihad against Cowboys fans, or is he just a dick who shot someone over a parking space?

Lots of people bitch about this and that on social media. I'd like to see something beyond Facebook First World Problems (tm) come into play when we are making assumptions about potentially religiously-motivated premeditated murder. By that same logic, it's impossible for a member of one religion to kill a member of another religion without it being a hate crime.

**whembly**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
whembly wrote:
NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Still waiting for evidence that his being an atheist is what motivated him to kill these people.

Seems he has a particular allergies against religion:
http://www.wncn.com/story/28083793/chapel-hill-triple-murder-suspect-says-he-felt-insulted-judged-by-religion

Everyone is posting the same thing, but I'm not seeing anywhere where this constitutes a motive. If we have a guy who is an Eagles fan and he shoots a Cowboys fan over a parking space, is that guy waging a jihad against Cowboys fans, or is he just a dick who shot someone over a parking space?

We won't know for sure for weeks.

I'd still stay it was a passion crime (over parking space).

**curran12**

I'm not quite ready to say that the murder was purely motivated by religion, that said there's more than adequate suspicion that religion played a role in the mindset.

Was it caused by religion? Probably not. Is it worth looking at in detail? Absolutely.

**whembly**

curran12 wrote:
I'm not quite ready to say that the murder was purely motivated by religion, that said there's more than adequate suspicion that religion played a role in the mindset.

Was it caused by religion? Probably not. Is it worth looking at in detail? Absolutely.

You mean anti-religion... right?

**Frazzled**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
easysauce wrote:
I know right? its almost like being bigoted against certain factions is ok.....

Poor Christians have it so bad .

Ask the ones in Syria, Iraq, and Egypt about it. Don't ask the ones that have been crucified. They're already dead. You could go to Nigeria and visit the thousands of burned churches if you wish.

**curran12**

whembly wrote:
curran12 wrote:
I'm not quite ready to say that the murder was purely motivated by religion, that said there's more than adequate suspicion that religion played a role in the mindset.

Was it caused by religion? Probably not. Is it worth looking at in detail? Absolutely.

You mean anti-religion... right?

Right.

I don't think his religious views were what caused him to murder 3 people. At least not yet.

I do think that they probably contributed to the escalation of the situation over parking into murder.

**Nostromodamus**

Frazzled wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
easysauce wrote:
I know right? its almost like being bigoted against certain factions is ok.....

Poor Christians have it so bad .

Ask the ones in Syria, Iraq, and Egypt about it. Don't ask the ones that have been crucified. They're already dead. You could go to Nigeria and visit the thousands of burned churches if you wish.

Some folks choose to believe that all Christians are middle-aged, married white folks living in the 'burbs with their 2.4 children.

Don't confuse them with facts!

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Frazzled wrote:
Ask the ones in Syria, Iraq, and Egypt about it.

I will ask the atheists in Syria, Iraq and Egypt to ask them.
Surely they cannot be discriminated against, unlike Christians!

**NuggzTheNinja**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Ask the ones in Syria, Iraq, and Egypt about it.

I will ask the atheists in Syria, Iraq and Egypt to ask them.
Surely they cannot be discriminated against, unlike Christians!

No? Muslims discriminate against atheists all the time - it's part of their religion. A Muslim who doesn't discriminate against non-Muslims is simply not being a very good Muslim, the same way that a Jew who violates the 10 commandments is being a bad Jew. When it comes to living among Muslims, you really aren't safe from discrimination no matter your faith. Not even other Muslims are safe from the violence visited upon them by "the other" Muslims. For being the wrong kind of Muslim, of course.

**Swastakowey**

Here in NZ, my girlfriend is working in a pet store, some family parked their car and walked around a couple of shops then another car parked nearby. Turns out these 2 guys knew each other and that coupled with awkward parking lead to a fist fight (we dont have guns here). If they hadnt known each other apparently they would have simply gone their way.

But they had history (one guy was an ex husband and the other guy a current husband) and that just added fuel to the fire. Maybe its a similar case here, held nothing back because of his history with the victims.

I dont know, either way this guy is a dirt bag and he can have his reward of rotting in prison (or death sentence in the USA? not sure of Laws there) for a long time.

I hope he feels really bad, I mean he literally killed 3 people for trivial reasons. As Yoda says "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to... Suuufffeerrrinngg...."

Its pretty funny seeing all this talked about on reddit though. Reminds me of Youtube comments.

**Frazzled**

I'm guessing you're not a Jesus freak or just woke up onthe wrong side of the bed this morning.

of you're a bigot against Christians, or religious people in general.

**Swastakowey**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Ask the ones in Syria, Iraq, and Egypt about it.

I will ask the atheists in Syria, Iraq and Egypt to ask them.
Surely they cannot be discriminated against, unlike Christians!

No? Muslims discriminate against atheists all the time. When it comes to living among Muslims, you really aren't safe from discrimination no matter your faith. Not even other Muslims are safe from the violence visited upon them by "the other" Muslims. For being the wrong kind of Muslim, of course.

I live next door to a muslim and around the corner to 2 families of jehovahs witnesses, and up the road are some baptists. They are all nice to each other and go about their business, say high on the street (religious people are nice like that) even lend their lawnmowers when someone is in need. I feel very safe from muslim discrimination. Its actually worse having your atheist friends talk behind their backs about how stupid they are. Atheists make me cringe. Like reading your comment actually. The only people in the world I have ever heard any discrimination come from is atheists, at college, primary school and even at work sometimes.

No one is safe from atheist discrimination, even atheists hate each other (as witnessed at college etc). Sick group of people. Really toxic and horrid.

**NuggzTheNinja**

Swastakowey wrote:
NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Ask the ones in Syria, Iraq, and Egypt about it.

I will ask the atheists in Syria, Iraq and Egypt to ask them.
Surely they cannot be discriminated against, unlike Christians!

No? Muslims discriminate against atheists all the time. When it comes to living among Muslims, you really aren't safe from discrimination no matter your faith. Not even other Muslims are safe from the violence visited upon them by "the other" Muslims. For being the wrong kind of Muslim, of course.

I live next door to a muslim and around the corner to 2 families of jehovahs witnesses, and up the road are some baptists. They are all nice to each other and go about their business, say high on the street (religious people are nice like that) even lend their lawnmowers when someone is in need. I feel very safe from muslim discrimination. Its actually worse having your atheist friends talk behind their backs about how stupid they are. Atheists make me cringe. Like reading your comment actually. The only people in the world I have ever heard any discrimination come from is atheists, at college, primary school and even at work sometimes.

No one is safe from atheist discrimination, even atheists hate each other (as witnessed at college etc). Sick group of people. Really toxic and horrid.

Those Muslims are not practicing their faith correctly, according to the "real Muslims." Have you paid your infidel tax lately? If not, then "real Muslims" would consider your neighbors to be "fake Muslims" who don't follow the book properly.

If you actually read what the Koran says, it's institutionalized discrimination against anyone who is not a Muslim. I've known some pretty cool Muslims, and also a few who were totally insane. The problem is that the religion itself is fundamentally geared toward discrimination.

**Frazzled**

Swastakowey wrote:
Here in NZ, my girlfriend is working in a pet store, some family parked their car and walked around a couple of shops then another car parked nearby. Turns out these 2 guys knew each other and that coupled with awkward parking lead to a fist fight (we dont have guns here). If they hadnt known each other apparently they would have simply gone their way.

But they had history (one guy was an ex husband and the other guy a current husband) and that just added fuel to the fire. Maybe its a similar case here, held nothing back because of his history with the victims.

I dont know, either way this guy is a dirt bag and he can have his reward of rotting in prison (or death sentence in the USA? not sure of Laws there) for a long time.

I hope he feels really bad, I mean he literally killed 3 people for trivial reasons. As Yoda says "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to... Suuufffeerrrinngg...."

Its pretty funny seeing all this talked about on reddit though. Reminds me of Youtube comments.

Shooting people over a parking space is bad no matter how you slice it.
If they were neighbors this could have been a building conflict.
I've had neighbors that I had dark thoughts about.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Ask the ones in Syria, Iraq, and Egypt about it.

I will ask the atheists in Syria, Iraq and Egypt to ask them.
Surely they cannot be discriminated against, unlike Christians!

No? Muslims discriminate against atheists all the time - it's part of their religion.

You are not good at detecting sarcasm, or you are trolling me.

Frazzled wrote:
I'm guessing you're not a Jesus freak or just woke up onthe wrong side of the bed this morning.

of you're a bigot against Christians, or religious people in general.

Is that related to the Atheists in Syria, Iraq and Egypt?

**Frazzled**

No, you. Thats the second post we're you're giggng Christians.

**sirlynchmob**

Swastakowey wrote:

No one is safe from atheist discrimination, even atheists hate each other (as witnessed at college etc). Sick group of people. Really toxic and horrid.

Fraz, this is what a bigoted statement looks like.

Speaking of christians discrimination and north carolina:
North Carolina, Article 6, Section 8

The following persons shall be disqualified for office: Any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God.

In the states they like to enshrine the discrimination into laws. Just look at their marriage equality issue. It must be nice to live in a place with no discrimination, Or do you just own really thick blinders? atheist discriminiation, lol. Tell me, how does a minority discriminate against a majority? Did your friend not bake a cake for someone?

@whembly why did you leave out James Howard Allen?
http://www.wncn.com/story/28055891/elderly-nc-man-shot-by-police-officer-checking-on-him

he didn't reach my local paper, now your cops are killing vets in their own homes, how do you get called to check on someone to see if they're ok after a surgery yet end up shooting him?

**Swastakowey**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Swastakowey wrote:
NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Ask the ones in Syria, Iraq, and Egypt about it.

I will ask the atheists in Syria, Iraq and Egypt to ask them.
Surely they cannot be discriminated against, unlike Christians!

No? Muslims discriminate against atheists all the time. When it comes to living among Muslims, you really aren't safe from discrimination no matter your faith. Not even other Muslims are safe from the violence visited upon them by "the other" Muslims. For being the wrong kind of Muslim, of course.

I live next door to a muslim and around the corner to 2 families of jehovahs witnesses, and up the road are some baptists. They are all nice to each other and go about their business, say high on the street (religious people are nice like that) even lend their lawnmowers when someone is in need. I feel very safe from muslim discrimination. Its actually worse having your atheist friends talk behind their backs about how stupid they are. Atheists make me cringe. Like reading your comment actually. The only people in the world I have ever heard any discrimination come from is atheists, at college, primary school and even at work sometimes.

No one is safe from atheist discrimination, even atheists hate each other (as witnessed at college etc). Sick group of people. Really toxic and horrid.

Those Muslims are not practicing their faith correctly, according to the "real Muslims." Have you paid your infidel tax lately? If not, then "real Muslims" would consider your neighbors to be "fake Muslims" who don't follow the book properly.

If you actually read what the Koran says, it's institutionalized discrimination against anyone who is not a Muslim. I've known some pretty cool Muslims, and also a few who were totally insane. The problem is that the religion itself is fundamentally geared toward discrimination.

Really? Is it? Because you know, religious texts are studied in whole. Ever read the bible for example? Down the middle you will see an index type of thing, all through out the bible there are letters, each letter takes you to a letter in the index which then takes you to a different scripture that has relevant info or gives more perspective on the original scripture in question.

Like for example the bible has a lot of lee way in how one decides to live their life. Take jehovahs witnesses. they are about as fundamental as you can get fr Christians. They understand they are separate from the world in their views. It says to stay neutral from politics for example. So a Jehovahs witness will never join a rebellion, vote for a member or join a political party. But at the same time it says to obey those with power UNLESS it directly contradicts their faith. So in Nazi germany when Hitler wanted Jehovahs witnesses to salute him, they would not. They had the choice to salute him or go to concentration camps. So off to the camps many went and they simply carried on their faith as best they could. Yet if Jehovahs witnesses pay taxes, how can they not be hypocritical when paying their taxes? Well there us another verse in the bible that states (famously I believe) about paying the taxes owed despite it going to many places such as military and political costs or whatever.

So taking your example, im gonna assume you have not studied the koran in whole and have instead read it, took out some bits out or read what someone else wrote about the koran etc. Anyone could read the bible and read the part that talks about keeping neutral in politics and declare it gods will that you will not pay taxes in support of the government. Then a whole load of 13 year old atheists will read it and declare how bad the bible is for encouraging skipping on taxes etc.

Its same with many Americans protesting Gays. The bible talks about being peaceful and letting the world go about its business. They shouldn't care what the Gay people get up to, for according to them the Gay people, like all others who dont follow the bible, will simply die and return to dust, for they are having their reward in full. While the faithful get their reward later in life. And so on.

So like Jehovahs witnesses, im pretty sure my muslim neighbor has taken his holy book, read it, and taken it all in and decided that he can follow his religion while being at peace around his neighbors. Which I think is reasonable and still qualifies him as a "real muslim". You are right though, he could have taken one part of the koran and decided he will be hateful towards us, but he obviously found something different in his book to what you saw and lived his life respectfully. As most people do.

He certainly doesnt rage to everyone about how bad other people are anyway.

**Frazzled**

Speaking of christians discrimination and north carolina:

And it would get knocked out by the ACLU instantly if anyone tried it.

atheist discriminiation, lol. Tell me, how does a minority discriminate against a majority?

You're directing this at me like I said something about atheists in the thread. please refresh your recollection.

oh and minorities oppress majorities all the time. If you think they don't: be poor and go to Rodeo Drive and see how that works.

**whembly**

sirlynchmob wrote:

@whembly why did you leave out James Howard Allen?
http://www.wncn.com/story/28055891/elderly-nc-man-shot-by-police-officer-checking-on-him

he didn't reach my local paper, now your cops are killing vets in their own homes, how do you get called to check on someone to see if they're ok after a surgery yet end up shooting him?

Um... how is that remotely ontopic here? While tragic, I don't have all the info on that particular event.